Women should not be allowed to preach in church

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wolfwint

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Dino246 said:
You make a good point, that Paul did not encourage Titus and Timothy to appoint "pastors", and also that the "allrounder for the church" is not biblical. However, it is not necessarily anti-biblical either. We need to be careful not to confuse the modern generic title or role of "pastor" with the biblical gift "pastor" as identified in Ephesians 4. If we are to be strictly biblical about this, neither Paul nor Jesus said men could be pastors either, so your assertion that there is no evidence of female pastors has no weight.

Further, Jesus said specifically in Matthew 23 not to be called leaders or teachers, yet the whole of this argument is whether women can be such. Again, to be strictly biblical, men can't be leaders or teachers either, given these verses.
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Matthew 23 was before pentecost!
There is no single biblical proof that woman were Pastors!
Why I also should trust in an man made theologie which makes their doctrines according their own will?
If you can show me an biblical proof that woman were Pastors i will believe it.
 
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trofimus said:
Everytime you use "you" in your posts, you are making a personal attacks. "You are not married, you this, you that..."

I posted one verse. I have no idea what are you talking about and why is it such a problem.
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I use 'you' because I am talking to YOU

should I use the postman?

saying you are not married is a fact; not an attack. you state this in your profile.

seriously dude. get real
 
wolfwint

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Meggido said:
Since Paul only used the term Pastors, I can not answer that question. That word is not used in 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1
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So how you then can say that woman can be Pastors?
Without any scripture proof?
 
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wolfwint said:
Matthew 23 was before pentecost!
There is no single biblical proof that woman were Pastors!
Why I also should trust in an man made theologie which makes their doctrines according their own will?
If you can show me an biblical proof that woman were Pastors i will believe it.
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1 Tim 3 and Titus 1 prove women can be pastors, because the word pastor or pastors is not used in those scriptures.
 
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notbythesword said:
Possibly an important point to consider in all of this, is that back in the days of Paul’s church, it was relatively small and manageable to his particular preferences. His church would have had a supreme authority over all others. However, in today’s age of mass population explosion, hundreds if not thousands of various doctrines, and more independently owned churches than one can count, you don’t really have a single governing body (as in the days of Paul). At least if were talking about the evangelical community.

If we no longer have a single church entity that would supersede the authority of other churches (like Paul’s church probably would have done) then how would a woman preaching in one of these non-governing churches be talking “over” a man? Does what she say in her privately owned church govern the entirety of Christendom anymore? Perhaps today’s evangelical church preachers could be more likened to smaller independent missionary roles, rather than the governing priests of old. Just something I was contemplating.
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That's pretty good contemplating....
 
trofimus

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sevenseas said:
I use 'you' because I am talking to YOU

should I use the postman?

saying you are not married is a fact; not an attack. you state this in your profile.

seriously dude. get real
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So what....? How is it related to the verse at all?

Dude. Get real.
 
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notbythesword said:
Possibly an important point to consider in all of this, is that back in the days of Paul’s church, it was relatively small and manageable to his particular preferences. His church would have had a supreme authority over all others. However, in today’s age of mass population explosion, hundreds if not thousands of various doctrines, and more independently owned churches than one can count, you don’t really have a single governing body (as in the days of Paul). At least if were talking about the evangelical community.

If we no longer have a single church entity that would supersede the authority of other churches (like Paul’s church probably would have done) then how would a woman preaching in one of these non-governing churches be talking “over” a man? Does what she say in her privately owned church govern the entirety of Christendom anymore? Perhaps today’s evangelical church preachers could be more likened to smaller independent missionary roles, rather than the governing priests of old. Just something I was contemplating.
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Sure, if you want to look at God's Word as merely Paul's personal agenda.
 
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trofimus said:
So what....? How is it related to the verse at all?

Dude. Get real.
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'so what' is your best answer then?

well, so what is where we leave it then

you are content with saying man is the head over his wife, yet you do not have one so until you do, enjoy the words

you have made no comment with regards to Christ being YOUR head

that is the key to the entire instruction being given
 
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sevenseas said:
'so what' is your best answer then?

well, so what is where we leave it then

you are content with saying man is the head over his wife, yet you do not have one so until you do, enjoy the words

you have made no comment with regards to Christ being YOUR head

that is the key to the entire instruction being given
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I think the convo with you is useless... again. So I will leave it as it is.
 
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I think the convo with you is useless... again. So I will leave it as it is.
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uh huh

I could have saved you the trouble but I like it when people give themself enough rope so that I don't have to sound mean
 
ForthAngel

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sevenseas said:
uh huh

I could have saved you the trouble but I like it when people give themself enough rope so that I don't have to sound mean
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How does him not having a wife yet negate the truth of the verse he quoted? Just wondering.
 
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How does him not having a wife yet negate the truth of the verse he quoted? Just wondering.
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I'm not advocating women pastors here.

I'm questioning the headship quotations here

Christ is supposed to be head of the home over the man

that's my input. if you read my posts, you will see that is my emphasis

trofimus seems clueless as to what that is actually

however, the man as head over the woman seems to appeal to him
 
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My real issue is also not if women can be pastors, but if the word Pastor is actually found in 1 TIm 3 and Titus 1
 
trofimus

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Meggido said:
He took one verse out of complete context and tried making it say something it cannot.
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What did I make it try to say? And what is the context that changes what I am supposed to say it says?
 
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Meggido said:
My real issue is also not if women can be pastors, but if the word Pastor is actually found in 1 TIm 3 and Titus 1
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my understanding is that there is not one single individual being in charge of a body of believers

also, Christians are to submit one to another

that gets difficult if some pick and choose what appeals to them instead of allowing the word to give direction

like someone consistently stating that men are the head of their wives, but not being able to address that Christ is THEIR head

when things are that off kilter, the entire thing is illegitimate IMO
 
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sevenseas said:
I'm not advocating women pastors here.

I'm questioning the headship quotations here

Christ is supposed to be head of the home over the man

that's my input. if you read my posts, you will see that is my emphasis

trofimus seems clueless as to what that is actually

however, the man as head over the woman seems to appeal to him
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So the hierarchy works for the home but not the church? How's that? From what I got from your post, you seemed to be belittling him and making his voice irrelevant on the matter simply because he isn't married.
 
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Meggido said:
1 Tim 3 and Titus 1 prove women can be pastors, because the word pastor or pastors is not used in those scriptures.
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Why then, after claiming to have come out of much error, are you yet to this very day still steeped in it?
 
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