Wonder how many are cursed🤯

[selfdissolving]

this is where predestination falls apart

it creates a monster god who ordains all the horrible horrible things that happen in this world because of sin

indeed God did not ordain David to sin . Calvinists and those who identify with that concept, have no answer for that

God knows all things, past present and future, because He is not living in a 3 dimensional world with time zones where one rotation of the earth equals one day and one rotation of the earth around the sun equals one year

Calvinists actually LIMIT God in their desire to emphasize what they think is truth but their understanding has been dimmed because of their refusal to allow the word itself to change their minds as God tells us He does by His Spirit in co-operation with the written word

this, is what happens when you follow a man...even a dead one...rather than the LIVING WORD

Isaiah 45:5-7
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Arminians strip God of his omnipotence.

 

[selfdissolving]

well how about that murder and adultery?

did God, whom you call good, ordain that?

is God the creator of sin, tempting us beyond our ability to resist? planting thoughts in our brains that lead to more sin and more evil?

is God responsible for Hitler and the Viet Cong? is He responsible for abortion?

OR

does God redeem mankind from these situations and this sin that leads to separation from God?

if He redeems them, then He never preordained the evil they did which means PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE

Deuteronomy 32:39

39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

40For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Deuteronomy 32:39

39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

40For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

you are very busy giving self inflicting wounds

you are not a prophet

do you have a clue what this thread is actually about?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

actually from my perspective you were trying to change the subject while i was trying to explain to John that Isaiah 5:14 does not make the argument that he tried to use it to make.

you want me to tell you whether God is the author of evil? nope. He is not.
satisfied?

ok, now, what do you think - does God know who He created?
here is an hypothetical situation - is it valid at all?
suppose you are out evangelizing on the day He returns. suppose you have just knocked on the door of someone who hasn't believed, and you open your mouth to tell them about the gospel, but the second before you do, He comes in the sky like lightning, every eye sees Him, and all of you are instantly transported before the throne.
"too late" -- the unbeliever you were about to try convince to be saved is condemned in their unbelief.
does this situation exist or is it purely imaginary? is anyone going to 'miss their chance to decide for themselves to know Him' because there just weren't quite enough nanoseconds left for them to repent?

did the Lord return to judge the quick and the dead just 2 minutes too early?
or does He know - has He known since before He designed and created each and every person on earth for His own purpose - that this person will never receive Him?
is God just or unjust? He is just.
so how will it be 'at just the right time' that Christ returns, on a day and in an hour that no human can know? what is it about that specific moment that He tears open the sky that makes it the perfect time?
how does God know when to return? does He randomly guess?

right now He's preparing a place for us - how many rooms He building? random number? too many, too few?

well of course that is what you think

you cannot answer in any way satisfactory to your Calvinistic tendencies, so therefore you try to flip it

you do that alot

 

[posthuman]

you cannot answer in any way satisfactory

"no, God is not the author of sin" is unsatisfactory to you?

 

[posthuman]

your Calvinistic tendencies,

i am not a calvinist. pretty sure i have said so in threads you follow about 50 times now.

 

[posthuman]

so therefore you try to flip it

um, i was having a conversation with John. you wanted to turn that into yet another one of your 'let's all hate on misrepresentations of reformed doctrine' threads. i answered your rhetorical question. i asked you some questions about the topic at hand. if you're just going to ignore those and post personal attacks against me, maybe you should do it somewhere else?

 

[posthuman]

you are very busy giving self inflicting wounds

you are not a prophet

do you have a clue what this thread is actually about?

All he did was post scripture relevant to the topics being discussed. Why are you attacking him for doing that in the Bible discussion forum.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

All he did was post scripture relevant to the topics being discussed. Why are you attacking him for doing that in the Bible discussion forum.

him is a her

are you her lawyer?

you are being childish

 

[7seasrekeyed]

um, i was having a conversation with John. you wanted to turn that into yet another one of your 'let's all hate on misrepresentations of reformed doctrine' threads. i answered your rhetorical question. i asked you some questions about the topic at hand. if you're just going to ignore those and post personal attacks against me, maybe you should do it somewhere else?

you would be the first to state this is a public forum etc etc

you are hurting your credibility

unless you can reply to what I addressed to you, and the rest is going nowhere, I'm not responding further

maybe you should try to be real

you are simply making smoke

 

[posthuman]

unless you can reply to what I addressed to you,

No, God is not the author of sin.

How many times do you want me to keep saying so?

Do you disagree?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No, God is not the author of sin.

How many times do you want me to keep saying so?

Do you disagree?

man you are really flatlineing(sp?) here

of course He isn't

and that was actually my point, contrary to the illusion that Calvinists try to present

keep saying it until you see how that connects with TULIP

 

[Deade]

So it is written the Word ms of Most Holy will not go back void so what y’all think about these??
Thus Saith the Lord God Of Israel Cursed b it the Man that obey not the Words of the covenant
And it is written the Messiah said who is My mother my brothers my sisters Those who do the will of My Father

Try not to worry about another's cursed status. That is none of our business. Our business is to keep the curse from our doors. God is probably not doing what most claim He is. I believe we will all be surprised how far we missed God's actual plans for most. All we really have to do is trust Him.

 

[posthuman]

are you her lawyer?

you are being childish

i'm the one being childish while you are the one doing nothing but slandering? Too funny

man you are really flatlineing(sp?) here

of course He isn't

and that was actually my point, contrary to the illusion that Calvinists try to present

keep saying it until you see how that connects with TULIP

not a calvinist. 51 times now i tell you.

 

[oldethennew]

the bell has rung - hopefully we are out of school for the day...

 

[selfdissolving]

you are very busy giving self inflicting wounds

you are not a prophet

do you have a clue what this thread is actually about?

 

[selfdissolving]

@7seasrekeyed how do you interpret this passage?


Isaiah 45:5-7
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[selfdissolving]

So it is written the Word ms of Most Holy will not go back void so what y’all think about these??
Thus Saith the Lord God Of Israel Cursed b it the Man that obey not the Words of the covenant
And it is written the Messiah said who is My mother my brothers my sisters Those who do the will of My Father

The Word of God never returns to him void. It always accomplishes his purposes. Sometimes that purpose is to draw his children to him, and sometimes the purpose is to harden people against him. The Word of God separates the sheep from the goats, and divides the believer from the unbeliever.

You can see this concept played out many times during the ministry of Jesus after he would speak to the people. Some believed in him, and others picked up stones to cast at him.

Luke 12:51-53
51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

Some people are wheat, and some people are tares.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

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oh so that's what you look like

obviously I am not buying whatever it is you have up for sale

you should know there is this little thing we can use called 'ignore'

I'm going to implement it now

 

[selfdissolving]

oh so that's what you look like

obviously I am not buying whatever it is you have up for sale

you should know there is this little thing we can use called 'ignore'

I'm going to implement it now

thanks for the fruitful discussion! take care