Word Of Faith: A Damnable Doctrine

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We learn from Paul in Gal. 3:1, the unscriptural message being preached had a bewitching effect to it, because of the power of the Devil ("power of evil"). That is the reason that Believers accept the false messages of the "Word of Faith" doctrine, the "Government of Twelve" doctrine, the "Purpose Driven Life" doctrine, etc.
And one could put in there too - the Pentecostal religion as well - if we want to include everything that is different from what others believe. It's the nature of the beast...:)
 
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We learn from Paul in Gal. 3:1, the unscriptural message being preached had a bewitching effect to it, because of the power of the Devil ("power of evil"). That is the reason that Believers accept the false messages of the "Word of Faith" doctrine, the "Government of Twelve" doctrine, the "Purpose Driven Life" doctrine, etc.
Its not unscriptual to believe I can access the covenant promises made available bc Jesus brought me into the fold.. im in covenant.. the covenant made was that of blessing in deut.. Choose life.. and I do
 
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being to meaty with words that cause other to doubt or waiver is what I hope to not do... I don't know where everyone is.. we all have the ability to seek and find.. its when you just trust human words that you get in trouble.. HS guides into all truth..
 
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For those that are interested in things like this - Here is a great teaching on faith that shows the weaknesses of some people's "application" of certain faith principles.


[video=youtube;Lpt2U5RF5JM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpt2U5RF5JM[/video]
 

Blain

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I believe that the wof doctrine has some truth in it.he did say if we ask we shall receive and one thing Jesus always looked for when giving or showing a miracle was faith that he could that is all that was requires. Note what we was looking for was the faith that he could not that he would. We have power and authority in him not of ourselves and if we have the faith to say and receive so long as it's along God's will then I say the wof has proven itself to not be entirely false.

The main issue is many confuse their own will with God's and I have not met anyone who said to me that I didn't receive because I lacked the faith but I know such people are out there. If i ask God for something or for the purpose of the discussion declare it mine in the name and authority of Jesus Christ and I have steel solid faith that it will come to pass and it never does according to the general view of the wof I lacked the resolve and the faith for it but is that really the case?

There several factors to examine as to why I didn't receive and the first and perhaps the most important one other than if it was God's will is was the measure and the strength of the faith offered for this request based on the level and strength of my own faith that I would receive or was it based on the level and strength of God himself? second am I absolutely sure what I asked for was my own will or God's and do I know the difference of the two well enough to know?
third we have to understand that sometimes the best answer God can give us is no
 
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The thing with word of faith is that they say God blesses in a way that He does not.

God only blesses us with our needs,not our wants.

Why,because God loves people,and as long as there is people that need food,clothing,and shelter,God is not blessing the saints with an abundance of material and monetary things.

And also it is spiritual,not physical.

Jesus told the rich person to sell all he has and give to the poor,and then he will be perfect,which is what the early Church did,and shared everything.

The Bible says if a person has this world's goods,and does not feed the poor,the love of God is not in them.

The Bible say some people think godliness is material and monetary gain,but it is not,having food,and clothing,be content,and if they heap money to themselves,they erred from the faith.

The saints appear poor to the world.

The rich have to distribute their money.\

The Bible says some pray amiss,pray wrongly,to heap it upon their lusts.

God only blesses us with our needs,not our wants.
 

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Easy.. people do it when they make it one dimensional
To say that life in God's wisdom is confined to the words written down, is ignorance. The same way the Pharisees treated Jesus' coming.. They didn't recognize Him bc what they took in their wisdom scriptures to mean..
Apparently you have not read Gods word where God identifies Himself with His word and establishes the eternal nature of His word.

Not one jot or tittle will be lost though heaven and earth pass away.

Gods word will accomplish that to which He has purposed it. Gods word will never return to Him void.

The Pharisees endeavored to outsmart Jesus by posing questions they thought were unanswerable.

For the cause of Christ
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Easy.. people do it when they make it one dimensional
being to meaty with words that cause other to doubt or waiver is what I hope to not do... I don't know where everyone is.. we all have the ability to seek and find.. its when you just trust human words that you get in trouble.. HS guides into all truth..
The Holy Spirit never operates outside of the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
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We learn from Paul in Gal. 3:1, the unscriptural message being preached had a bewitching effect to it, because of the power of the Devil ("power of evil"). That is the reason that Believers accept the false messages of the "Word of Faith" doctrine, the "Government of Twelve" doctrine, the "Purpose Driven Life" doctrine, etc.
The scripture says when you depart from truth, i.e., the word of God, you go insane (spiritual insanity). Isaiah 1:5 NKJV

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1 - The truth becomes a lie and a lie becomes the truth.

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32 NKJV). A lie does not make anyone free. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Gal. 5:9
 

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The thing with word of faith is that they say God blesses in a way that He does not.

God only blesses us with our needs,not our wants.

Why,because God loves people,and as long as there is people that need food,clothing,and shelter,God is not blessing the saints with an abundance of material and monetary things.

And also it is spiritual,not physical.

Jesus told the rich person to sell all he has and give to the poor,and then he will be perfect,which is what the early Church did,and shared everything.

The Bible says if a person has this world's goods,and does not feed the poor,the love of God is not in them.

The Bible say some people think godliness is material and monetary gain,but it is not,having food,and clothing,be content,and if they heap money to themselves,they erred from the faith.

The saints appear poor to the world.

The rich have to distribute their money.\

The Bible says some pray amiss,pray wrongly,to heap it upon their lusts.

God only blesses us with our needs,not our wants.
I don't think the prosperity gospel is the same as the word of faith, I have met many believers who are very founded in the word of faith doctrine and have never used it to gain riches or wealth in this world but instead use it riches only God can give and use it to heal others or to help strengthen the prayers of people.
 
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The Holy Spirit does operate differently from what our "perceptions" are that we think the word of God is really saying.

Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit on the scriptures - they can fool us and we can try with our human reasoning to understand things that are of the spiritual nature which needs spiritual understanding and the renewing of the mind to fully grasp and to walk in the light of them as well.

The bible is the most beautiful book in the world and also the most dangerous book in the world and without the Holy Spirit revealing Christ to us - it can become a stumbling stone to us and a rock of offense.
 
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The scripture says when you depart from truth, i.e., the word of God, you go insane (spiritual insanity). Isaiah 1:5 NKJV

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1 - The truth becomes a lie and a lie becomes the truth.

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32 NKJV). A lie does not make anyone free. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Gal. 5:9
does it free someone to believe that God will give you more than just check to check? its liberating in my eyes...

just a general question, not attacking or saying youre wrong.
 
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does it free someone to believe that God will give you more than just check to check? its liberating in my eyes...

just a general question, not attacking or saying youre wrong.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now therefore, thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways![SUP]

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[/SUP]“You have sown much, and bring in little;
You eat, but do not have enough;
You drink, but you are not filled with drink;
You clothe yourselves, but no one is warm;
And he who earns wages, Earns wages to put into a bag with holes.”

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[/SUP]Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways! [SUP]8 [/SUP]Go up to the mountains and bring wood and build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified,” says the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]“You looked for much, but indeed it came to little; and when you brought it home, I blew it away. Why?” says the Lord of hosts. “Because of My house that is in ruins, while every one of you runs to his own house.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore the heavens above you withhold the dew, and the earth withholds its fruit. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For I called for a drought on the land and the mountains, on the grain and the new wine and the oil, on whatever the ground brings forth, on men and livestock, and on all the labor of your hands.” Haggai 1:5:11 NKJV
 
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[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now therefore, thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways![SUP]

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[/SUP]“You have sown much, and bring in little;
You eat, but do not have enough;
You drink, but you are not filled with drink;
You clothe yourselves, but no one is warm;
And he who earns wages, Earns wages to put into a bag with holes.”

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[/SUP]Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways! [SUP]8 [/SUP]Go up to the mountains and bring wood and build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified,” says the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]“You looked for much, but indeed it came to little; and when you brought it home, I blew it away. Why?” says the Lord of hosts. “Because of My house that is in ruins, while every one of you runs to his own house.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore the heavens above you withhold the dew, and the earth withholds its fruit. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For I called for a drought on the land and the mountains, on the grain and the new wine and the oil, on whatever the ground brings forth, on men and livestock, and on all the labor of your hands.” Haggai 1:5:11 NKJV
that was bc of disobedience. their promised state for obedience deut 28..
to clarify I meant check to check in the sense that there is no abundance.. needs met.
the people of His covenant were well to do.. can I expect to have the same or does He regard them more than I?
If people want to think having just enough is noble, by all means enjoy it.. and im not saying it isn't.. but for some to understand the promise to those who obey, why are they wrong to want it?

people may use don't store up things here for yourselves.. but if its a gift I receive from God then its not me in my own power working for it and storing it... then its selfish gain.. I worked for it so it belongs to me.. freely given and God isn't broke, why cant you have to then freely give?

didn't the Bible say Lydia was wealthy, never said she had to give it up
 
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I can message. I'd rather when things could go on and on
 

notuptome

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Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

What is Paul talking about? Didn't he have faith to claim his next meal?

For the cause of Christ
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Php 4:12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

What is Paul talking about? Didn't he have faith to claim his next meal?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
He chose to work for his living when he wanted to get them to understand things. He was also specifically told that He would suffer for the Kingdom.. He went thru many different circumstances, of which we know not to attribute to hunger..
 

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He chose to work for his living when he wanted to get them to understand things. He was also specifically told that He would suffer for the Kingdom.. He went thru many different circumstances, of which we know not to attribute to hunger..
So it's ok for him to suffer but not you? Jesus also suffered and had no earthly possessions. Are you better than Paul and Jesus?

For the cause of Christ
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So it's ok for him to suffer but not you? Jesus also suffered and had no earthly possessions. Are you better than Paul and Jesus?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Never!
They had different lives and purpose. Paul's condition was a result of who He was, as was Jesus.. if I was called to be in prison, beaten and stoned, I'd have to learn contentment with hunger and pain. I haven't encountered that.. So, I'm not wrong to believe for the other to be true
 
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All that aside.. I have the HS.. I can't be talked out of what He confirms I can have... Any further, I do answer pm..