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YOUR post 206
I posted an excerpt regarding WOF and that seemed to have offended you even though this discussion is actually all about WOF.
you keep trying to make it about personal beliefs
that is why you are having the difficulties with people who keep talking about WOF...maybe discuss WOF instead of personal issues
if we make a post about some personal experience, it is still regarding WOF or satellite cults
YOUR post 206
I posted an excerpt regarding WOF and that seemed to have offended you even though this discussion is actually all about WOF.
you keep trying to make it about personal beliefs
that is why you are having the difficulties with people who keep talking about WOF...maybe discuss WOF instead of personal issues
if we make a post about some personal experience, it is still regarding WOF or satellite cults
I thought I didn't say anything like that to you. It didn't sound like me, and you really read into something that I never said nor meant.
The subject you brought up was about Keneth Hagin, and what I was saying is that I don't follow Hagin and what he did in life or how he died, it has no bearing on what is written, or what I believe, for that matter.
That which others have done does not effect the truth or that which is written. Neither should you or anyone else base their faith or believing in any doctrine simply because someone you might look up to, believes the same.
What I was getting at is that it doesn't matter to me about Hagin, whom I started out with.
Most of what I know today, I learned first hand from seeking God and studying the scriptures without any outside influence.
I look up to one man, and even if he were to fall, I could not change what I believe, because my foundation is in the word of God, NOT the man.
So, though other might be shaken or even fall, even those I look up to, I cannot be, so long as I keep my eyes on the word of God/Jesus.
I am focused on the spiritual truth of God's word, and the natural life of others does not always display or prove the truth.
I am not shaken by the failure of other either, I am moved only by what I believe, and since my foundation is deep in the rock, I cannot be moved away from what I believe or the truth anymore by the events that happen to others.
That is what I was getting at when I asked you to keep to the subject and stop bringing diversion to WHAT IS WRITTEN.
I am about what is written, not about what other have done.
I was asking you to keep it about what is written, that is all.
Do you now understand what I was saying?
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
As you should be able to see, there is indeed a law of faith and it works just like every law in the natural. It never fails to perform as it was designed.
I suppose it's more comforting to tell the person that God is trying to teach them something out of this and that they have no hope at all except that when they die, at least they will no longer have to suffer, but will be with Jesus.
I understand how upsetting this can be for many, such a letdown, but again, if you can stop looking at and focusing on the natural all the time, and just look at what is written, you might be able to see the truth.
As you should be able to see, there is indeed a law of faith and it works just like every law in the natural. It never fails to perform as it was designed.
I suppose it's more comforting to tell the person that God is trying to teach them something out of this and that they have no hope at all except that when they die, at least they will no longer have to suffer, but will be with Jesus.
I understand how upsetting this can be for many, such a letdown, but again, if you can stop looking at and focusing on the natural all the time, and just look at what is written, you might be able to see the truth.
That doesn't say there is a law of faith to believe for things. It is about salvation is by faith not the law:
Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.
Romans 3:27 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.3.27.NLT
Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.
Romans 3:27 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.3.27.NLT
I see what you are saying but it still doesn't change what I see written. Verse 23 still says "SPEAK TO", and not pray for whatever.
Please interpret the word "say to" that is used in the bible and show me how it means pray for or ask God for something.
Jesus is saying that if you speak to or direct your speech to the mountain like I am directing my speech to you, then it will obey you.
Again, "you shall have whatsoever you SAY'. The Greeks had a word for pray and a word for say, and I'm very sure Matthew didn't get it wrong.
So how do you come up with Jesus telling us to pray to the Father in vs 23.
Basically what you are telling others is to not believe what you read in the sentence that starts out with, "this is a true statement in itself", or "verily/truly I Jesus say unto you".
Again, I ask you to interpret the verse, word for word and tell me what it says.
I don't want to know how it hurt or doesn't work for others, or anything else but a detailed interpretation of that verse.
Trying to get anyone to do this is like pulling teeth. It's hard.
Please interpret the word "say to" that is used in the bible and show me how it means pray for or ask God for something.
Jesus is saying that if you speak to or direct your speech to the mountain like I am directing my speech to you, then it will obey you.
Again, "you shall have whatsoever you SAY'. The Greeks had a word for pray and a word for say, and I'm very sure Matthew didn't get it wrong.
So how do you come up with Jesus telling us to pray to the Father in vs 23.
Basically what you are telling others is to not believe what you read in the sentence that starts out with, "this is a true statement in itself", or "verily/truly I Jesus say unto you".
Again, I ask you to interpret the verse, word for word and tell me what it says.
I don't want to know how it hurt or doesn't work for others, or anything else but a detailed interpretation of that verse.
Trying to get anyone to do this is like pulling teeth. It's hard.
Rom 3:27 WhereG4226 is boastingG2746 then?G3767 It is excluded.G1576 ByG1223 whatG4169 law?G3551 of works?G2041 Nay:G3780 butG235 byG1223 the law G3551 of faith.G4102
LAW
G3551
νόμος
nomos
nom'-os
From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
LXX related word(s)
H1697 davar
H1881 dat
H2703 chuqqah
H2706 choq
H4687 mitsvah
H4941 mishpat
H6600 pitgam
H8452 torah
G3551
νόμος
nomos
Thayer Definition:
1) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command
1a) of any law whatsoever
1a1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God
1a1a) by the observance of which is approved of God
1a2) a precept or injunction
1a3) the rule of action prescribed by reason
1b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents
1c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, especially the precept concerning love
1d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals)
Citing in TDNT: 4:1022, 646
(AKJV-R) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith.
(AUV) Where then is the [basis for] boasting [i.e., over being right with God]? There is not any. Is it by [obedience to] a law? Is it by doing certain deeds? Not at all, but by a law of faith.
(ALT) Where then [is] the boasting? It was excluded. By what law? Of works? Not at all, but by a law of faith.
(ANT+) where?G4226 soG3767 TheG3588 BoastingG2746 [She] is excludedG1576 is excludedthroughG1223 whom?G4169 lawG3551 [of] theG3588 worksG2041 notG3780 butG235 is excludedthroughG1223 lawG3551 [of] faithG4102
(ASV) Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.
(AS) Where then is their being boastings? Consequently it is shut-out. By what-sort- of law -then, of works? Not so, however by a Law of Confidence.
(BBE) What reason, then, is there for pride? It is shut out. By what sort of law? of works? No, but by a law of faith.(Complete Apostles' Bible) Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through the law of faith.
(CTBible) Where then is this boasting? It is excluded. By what law? By that of works? No; but by a law of belief.
(DRB) Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
(EWB-CB) Where is boasting [of the Jew] then ? It is excluded. - By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but -by a law of faith.
(EMTV) Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through the law of faith.
(JB2000) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No, but by law of faith.
(ESV) Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
(EVID) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(ECB) So where is boasting? It is excluded. Through what torah? Of works? Indeed not - but through the torah of trust.
(ERRB) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By Through what law torah ? of works? Nay indeed : but by through the law torah of faith trust .
(FAA) So where is boasting? It is excluded. By what law? That of works? No, rather by the law of faith.
Instead of finding something that paraphrases the verse, which leaves out the actual words written, and by doing so is somewhat deceptive, you should show translations that show the accuracy of what is written, like the KJB.
What I did was to show you what was actually written. The word translated into law, is in the Greek writings, and is therefore saying, "THE LAW OF FAITH", which means there is a law of faith.
So with far more proof, and accuracy, THERE IS A LAW OF FAITH, AS IT IS WRITTEN.
LAW
G3551
νόμος
nomos
nom'-os
From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
LXX related word(s)
H1697 davar
H1881 dat
H2703 chuqqah
H2706 choq
H4687 mitsvah
H4941 mishpat
H6600 pitgam
H8452 torah
G3551
νόμος
nomos
Thayer Definition:
1) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command
1a) of any law whatsoever
1a1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God
1a1a) by the observance of which is approved of God
1a2) a precept or injunction
1a3) the rule of action prescribed by reason
1b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents
1c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, especially the precept concerning love
1d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals)
Citing in TDNT: 4:1022, 646
(AKJV-R) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No: but by the law of faith.
(AUV) Where then is the [basis for] boasting [i.e., over being right with God]? There is not any. Is it by [obedience to] a law? Is it by doing certain deeds? Not at all, but by a law of faith.
(ALT) Where then [is] the boasting? It was excluded. By what law? Of works? Not at all, but by a law of faith.
(ANT+) where?G4226 soG3767 TheG3588 BoastingG2746 [She] is excludedG1576 is excludedthroughG1223 whom?G4169 lawG3551 [of] theG3588 worksG2041 notG3780 butG235 is excludedthroughG1223 lawG3551 [of] faithG4102
(ASV) Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.
(AS) Where then is their being boastings? Consequently it is shut-out. By what-sort- of law -then, of works? Not so, however by a Law of Confidence.
(BBE) What reason, then, is there for pride? It is shut out. By what sort of law? of works? No, but by a law of faith.(Complete Apostles' Bible) Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through the law of faith.
(CTBible) Where then is this boasting? It is excluded. By what law? By that of works? No; but by a law of belief.
(DRB) Where is then thy boasting? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
(EWB-CB) Where is boasting [of the Jew] then ? It is excluded. - By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but -by a law of faith.
(EMTV) Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through the law of faith.
(JB2000) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No, but by law of faith.
(ESV) Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
(EVID) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(ECB) So where is boasting? It is excluded. Through what torah? Of works? Indeed not - but through the torah of trust.
(ERRB) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By Through what law torah ? of works? Nay indeed : but by through the law torah of faith trust .
(FAA) So where is boasting? It is excluded. By what law? That of works? No, rather by the law of faith.
Instead of finding something that paraphrases the verse, which leaves out the actual words written, and by doing so is somewhat deceptive, you should show translations that show the accuracy of what is written, like the KJB.
What I did was to show you what was actually written. The word translated into law, is in the Greek writings, and is therefore saying, "THE LAW OF FAITH", which means there is a law of faith.
So with far more proof, and accuracy, THERE IS A LAW OF FAITH, AS IT IS WRITTEN.
No, you did not sir, you merely said what it was about, or paraphrased it.
I asked you to interpret word for word, what is written, and you have continued to both ignore and refused to do so, just like Miss 7seas. I asked her to do the same as well, and it went ignored.
Why is that? Why are you both refusing to interpret that scripture, word for word? What are you afraid of?
That you might acknowledge the truth of what is actually written?
Why is that so hard to accept?
I would think you would want the truth, like you say.
I asked you to interpret word for word, what is written, and you have continued to both ignore and refused to do so, just like Miss 7seas. I asked her to do the same as well, and it went ignored.
Why is that? Why are you both refusing to interpret that scripture, word for word? What are you afraid of?
That you might acknowledge the truth of what is actually written?
Why is that so hard to accept?
I would think you would want the truth, like you say.