Works Determine Whether you go to Heaven or Hell

[Apostol2013]

One question if only the levitical law was removed how about stoning of people ? Or the feast or new moons and sabbaths ?

 

[Apostol2013]

The law of the spirit is complete holiness unto the Lord wich exceeds tha Law of commandmends giving us a higher standard , for example do not kill but jesus said do not hate , he also teaches on unforgiveness as a form of self comdemnation as also comfirmed by brother james the law of the spirit is a higher standard law that is not written but given guidelines that are just that mercy and love is the key most people see the word love tgey perceive a emotion type thing but it goes deepee ( 1joh3:16

 

[just-me]

One question if only the levitical law was removed how about stoning of people ? Or the feast or new moons and sabbaths ?

Referring to your post 162 along with this one. If the law is spiritual, as Paul said, what would you think of a spiritual stoning? Could one put it in a parable related to John 5:8-14 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

and

John 8:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

How did they catch her in the act? If it was a setup to try and trap Jesus, who was the man, and where was he? I submit to you that Jesus wrote his name on the ground. Just sayin.

I also submit that Jesus stoned the sin in the adulterous man just by writing the truth on the ground for all to see the accusers as they really were in the sight of the One who gave the law to Moses.

Was the sin stoned, or the sinner? "sin no more" in comparison to what, the law maybe? Didn't Jesus come to divide and separate?
Luke 12:51 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Leviticus 20:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 5:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

For us today, spiritual adultery is this likened unto God's children today (the church)
Jeremiah 3:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

Spiritual insight of the law is what I endorse, not the physical as you do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Spiritual insight of the law is what I endorse, not the physical as you do.

In other words, he picks and chooses which parts of the law he THINKS he must follow. And ignores, or symbolizes the rest. So he can boast about following and teaching the law.

Sounds alot like what the Roman Catholics did to eschatology when it did not fit their belief system.

 

[Apostol2013]

Referring to your post 162 along with this one. If the law is spiritual, as Paul said, what would you think of a spiritual stoning? Could one put it in a parable related to John 5:8-14 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

and

John 8:10-11 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

How did they catch her in the act? If it was a setup to try and trap Jesus, who was the man, and where was he? I submit to you that Jesus wrote his name on the ground. Just sayin.

I also submit that Jesus stoned the sin in the adulterous man just by writing the truth on the ground for all to see the accusers as they really were in the sight of the One who gave the law to Moses.

Was the sin stoned, or the sinner? "sin no more" in comparison to what, the law maybe? Didn't Jesus come to divide and separate?
Luke 12:51 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Leviticus 20:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 5:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

For us today, spiritual adultery is this likened unto God's children today (the church)
Jeremiah 3:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

Spiritual insight of the law is what I endorse, not the physical as you do.

He is correct though we use all scripture to learn the fullness of the spirit that we are not in bondage to the law of moses but to jesus the christ and our God but do pay attention that the ten commandments are still in play as well as all the spiritual part of the law , i wasnt being in the flesh like i was told i was but i asked with the intention of bringing out to light the truth this brother has a heart for God the spiritual part of the law remains just the physical rudiments are done away and that was was to come to light but instead of stoning now we have the spirit to purify us

 

[Apostol2013]

But just to add that we are saved by christ not law

 

[just-me]

But just to add that we are saved by christ not law

I would agree with that. But just to add, after we are saved then what how are we suppose to act?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would agree with that. But just to add, after we are saved then what how are we suppose to act?

we are to act as God said.

Matthew 22:3-40[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”


Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

But hey, If you think walking around always thinking "do not commit adultry, Honor your father and mother, Do not kill" makes us following Gods commands. I guess you know more than God

 

[haz]

I'm surprised that you got that from my post, and corrected me of the flaw that contradicts the Gospel.

Thanks. I developed that perceptiveness after many debates with legalists who preach doctrines where they try to hide their efforts to lure others back under the law. They often would point others to a subtle demand that perfect obedience to the law being required. This was usually hidden behind a argument about love.

I have some questions for you, as a professing believer in Christ, as I am also. Were not Paul and Jesus submissive to our Father in heaven with their thoughts i.e. mind?.

You equate what Paul did as exactly equivalent to what Jesus did.
Most would disagree with you and say that we Christians benefit from what Jesus did for us.
Even Paul disagrees with your claim.
Phil 3:4-9
though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Romans 7:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. .

What does it mean "with the MIND"?
consider Eph 4:23
and be renewed in the SPIRIT of your mind,

In scripture we see that we're either in the Spirit OR the flesh. It can't be both. Only one can rule.
what Paul is saying in Rom 7:25 is the same. If we're in the Spirit ( that is believing on Jesus) then we serve the spiritual law of God, in the Spirit. But if we're in the flesh (unbelief) then we serve the law of sin, which is being under the law ( 10 commandments) and determining one's righteousness by whether we can keep the law perfectly in the flesh.

Christians believe on Jesus. Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Hence we are not in the flesh. We are in the Spirit, Rom 8:9.

as for the physical that legalists always want to judge our righteousness by, that body is already dead ( by faith, crucified with Christ).
Rom 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin

Is there a flaw in putting the words of Jesus and His Father's words together as the same, and being submissive to both in spirit, rather than seeing things God spoke in His law as only physical? I agree with your last sentence in bold print.

Not sure what you really are exactly meaning here.
But if you are suggesting that the physical is going to obey the law perfectly thanks to alleged "imparted" righteousness, then we disagree.

 

[Apostol2013]

we can start by galatians chapter 5 but the truth is the law cannot possibly save us without christ but servces as a guideline along with the gospels the very prophets the whole word of God is for learning edification the Law is good but we have to seek the coreect law look at the law of the spirit , the law of liberty in christ new covenant new law of a higher promise that is everlasting ... Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[Apostol2013]

but the Law of the spirit in Christ is a higher calling a truly magnified law. for holiness is the rule of His house

 

[thecreationtutor]

Here is my question. Does your works give you a clear/clean conscience that what you are doing is enough?

 

[Nick01]

On a side note - if a single person needs to take almost a whole page in a thread (!) to explain their point, then probably 90% of what is being said is esoteric and not relevant to the point you're trying to make. Aside from that, it also means that people are much less likely to actually read and engage with what you're writing, just from a practical perspective. I butted out of this thread for that reason - it simply is impossible to spend the hours it would take to sort through the posted material, parse through what is not really relevant on is only tangentially related to the core point, and then respond to the pertinent material.

For the sake of discussion, I think we should all try and be more concise, and deal with a couple of points at a time, before moving on.

 

[TrustInJesus]

In my opinion, from the way I personally understand it, the works of Jesus Christ, what He did for us, are the only works that could do such a thing as save all of us.