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You choose which way you want to go. If you choose a worldly carnally inclined way, you will then not end up in a spiritually inclined place.
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3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
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The hardest thing to accept is to live in the fact of our eternal security.
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When you know that there are many scriptures which testify that your perspective is wrong, then it is hard to accept a shallow perspective which you know is wrong.
 
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To repent is to turn from sin.
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5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
 
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We are already seated in heavenly places spiritually. Our spiritual resurrection has already happened.
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Worldly inclined individuals cannot be seated in spiritually inclined places in heaven. It is counter intuitive.
 
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When you know that there are many scriptures which testify that your perspective is wrong, then it is hard to accept a shallow perspective which you know is wrong.
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Not at all . Those that hold to loss of salvation do so with a certain set of glasses on ,that seems to ignore the clear and plain scriptures and only sees the unclear and uses those to teach insecurity of the believer.
 
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luigi said:
Worldly inclined individuals cannot be seated in spiritually inclined places in heaven. It is counter intuitive.
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5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Clear and plain .
 
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5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
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Even when we were dead in sins (when we repent of these sins), the Lord then quickens us with His grace, transforming our dead worldly inclined hearts to living spiritually inclined hearts. This is when we are raised up and sit in spiritual heavenly places.
 
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luigi said:
Even when we were dead in sins (when we repent of these sins), the Lord then quickens us with His grace, transforming our dead worldly inclined hearts to living spiritually inclined hearts. This is when we are raised up and sit in spiritual heavenly places.
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Nope read on . And your adding to the word of God . Its past tense
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
 
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Not at all . Those that hold to loss of salvation do so with a certain set of glasses on ,that seems to ignore the clear and plain scriptures and only sees the unclear and uses those to teach insecurity of the believer.
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There are many scriptures which show what happens to those who choose to not overcome their worldly ways. It is then hard for people to accept eternal salvation while continuing in their worldly ways, knowing these scriptures tell otherwise.
 
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Nope read on . And your adding to the word of God . Its past tense
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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To believe in the gospel of salvation is to believe in what the Lord Jesus preached, which is to leave our worldly carnally inclined ways for that of a spiritually inclined way.
 
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There are many scriptures which show what happens to those who choose to not overcome their worldly ways. It is then hard for people to accept eternal salvation while continuing in their worldly ways, knowing these scriptures tell otherwise.
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Your proving my point . You start with how salvation works and is appropriated . How we are justified, sanctified , predestinated, how we recieve the atonement, how we are glorified, how we recieve Jesus, how we recieve the Holy spirit . Then we can understand these so called loss of salvation passages. Legalists and the proud do this in reverse starting with passages that are not about salvation and use them as a basis to understand how we are saved . Or even more confusing, they try to blend the two like parallel lines and accept both as true and live as if both are true just in case .
 
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To believe in the gospel of salvation is to believe in what the Lord Jesus preached, which is to leave our worldly carnally inclined ways for that of a spiritually inclined way.
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Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
 
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luigi said:
To believe in the gospel of salvation is to believe in what the Lord Jesus preached, which is to leave our worldly carnally inclined ways for that of a spiritually inclined way.
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Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ? If not ,then you have no business speaking on these important truths .
 
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Your proving my point . You start with how salvation works and is appropriated . How we are justified, sanctified , predestinated, how we recieve the atonement, how we are glorified, how we recieve Jesus, how we recieve the Holy spirit . Then we can understand these so called loss of salvation passages. Legalists and the proud do this in reverse starting with passages that are not about salvation and use them as a basis to understand how we are saved . Or even more confusing, they try to blend the two like parallel lines and accept both as true and live as if both are true just in case .
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It is not hard for me to accept the truth, which is to repent of my worldly carnally inclined ways, in order to be Holy and acceptable to God, by which His grace is then at work in me to transform my dead worldly inclined heart to a live spiritually inclined heart.
My perspective agrees with all the scriptures, and thereby others like me who acknowledge this truth are well on their way to being free.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 
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It is not hard for me to accept the truth, which is to repent of my worldly carnally inclined ways, in order to be Holy and acceptable to God, by which His grace is then at work in me to transform my dead worldly inclined heart to a live spiritually inclined heart.
My perspective agrees with all the scriptures, and thereby others like me who acknowledge this truth are well on their way to being free.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
 
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Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
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When someone says they believe in a certain politician, it is understood that they are saying they believe in what that certain politician is preaching. Likewise, when someone claims they believe in Jesus, what they should be saying is they believe in what Jesus is preaching, and not just that Jesus is God, and so now they are saved. Even the devils believe the later.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
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When someone says they believe in a certain politician, it is understood that they are saying they believe in what that certain politician is preaching. Likewise, when someone claims they believe in Jesus, what they should be saying is they believe in what Jesus is preaching, and not just that Jesus is God, and so now they are saved. Even the devils believe the later.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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I think that you don't understand this question.
Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
 
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Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
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The Lord is in the volume of the whole book Word of truth; and not just cherry picking some scriptures, and taking them out of context, which contradict other scriptures.

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
 
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The Lord is in the volume of the whole book Word of truth; and not just cherry picking some scriptures, and taking them out of context, which contradict other scriptures.

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
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This is the absolute essential of Christianity and as yet you don't seem to be able to answer this most basic yet fundemental question.

Find me a scripture that says that's how we recieve Jesus and the Holy Spirit please ?
 
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