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throughfaith

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Things religions and cults teach that are necessary for salvation.

Islam .
Your good deeds have to outweigh your bad.
works righteousness.
no assurance.

Mormons :
Good deeds and following all the laws and the teachings of Joseph Smith, plus water baptism with enduring to the end to be saved .
No assurance

Jehovah's Witnesses :
Water baptism
Preaching work , door to door ect .
you have to endure to the end to be saved .No assurance

Catholicism.
Water baptism .
Good deeds .
Literal consumption of the body and blood of Jesus.
confession .
works righteousness .
Dying in a state of grace for final justification.
Enduring to the end to be saved.
No assurance

Sadly . Some Christians also :
Only past sins forgiven by Jesus .
Deeds of faith.
repentence .
Water baptism .
Initial evidence.
Obedience .
Works .
Enduring to the end .
perseverance.
stop sinning.
10 commandments.
Sabbath .
confession .
No assurance.
 

bud62

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REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The WOMAN is GOD'S Church,
THE Remnant IS GOD'S PEOPLE ALSO.
THIS tells US that the COMMANDMENTS IS A REQUIRMENT TO BE PART OF GOD'S Church.
REV 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
THIS ALSO TELLS US THAT TO BE PART OF GOD'S CHURCH< WE HAFT TO BE KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS.
OF GOD.
REVELATION 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
THIS TELLS US WHY THEY ARE KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, AND THAT IS THAT THEY MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO TO HEAVEN.
 

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Things religions and cults teach that are necessary for salvation.

Islam .
Your good deeds have to outweigh your bad.
works righteousness.
no assurance.
The only assurance of salvation in Islamic belief system is to self immolate while murdering
others (jihad) for the sake of the spread of Islam. Even Mo did not know if he was saved!
 

bud62

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Works CAN NOT CLEANSE US,
THE BLOOD OF YESUAH COVERS OUR SINS, THEN BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, UNLESS WE SIN WILLFULLY, IF WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE LOST,
ROMANS 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
NOTICE THAT THIS TELLS US THAT IT IS THE SINS THAT ARE IN OUR PAST,
NOT THE SINS THAT WE COMMIT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN CLEANED, THAT JUST GETS US UNCLEAN AGAIN,
AND NEED YESUAH TO CLEAN US AGAIN!!!
BUT AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, BECAUSE WE HAFT TO BRAKE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO SIN AND MAKE US UNCLEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOD'S LAW IS FOR, TO SHOW US OUR SINS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT OUR SINS ARE SO WE CAN STOP SINNING, AS GOD SHOWS US OUR SINS BY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,
NO THE COMMANDMENTS CAN NOT CLEAN US, BUT WHEN YESUAH CLEANS US THE COMMANDMENTS WILL KEEP US CLEAN, IF WE WILL KEEP THEM,
 

throughfaith

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Works CAN NOT CLEANSE US,
THE BLOOD OF YESUAH COVERS OUR SINS, THEN BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, UNLESS WE SIN WILLFULLY, IF WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE LOST,
ROMANS 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
NOTICE THAT THIS TELLS US THAT IT IS THE SINS THAT ARE IN OUR PAST,
NOT THE SINS THAT WE COMMIT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN CLEANED, THAT JUST GETS US UNCLEAN AGAIN,
AND NEED YESUAH TO CLEAN US AGAIN!!!
BUT AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, BECAUSE WE HAFT TO BRAKE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO SIN AND MAKE US UNCLEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOD'S LAW IS FOR, TO SHOW US OUR SINS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT OUR SINS ARE SO WE CAN STOP SINNING, AS GOD SHOWS US OUR SINS BY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,
NO THE COMMANDMENTS CAN NOT CLEAN US, BUT WHEN YESUAH CLEANS US THE COMMANDMENTS WILL KEEP US CLEAN, IF WE WILL KEEP THEM,
Rom 3 is about ALL the sins that were past ..the ones they were only remitted by the sacrifices under the old covenant. Thousands of years of sins that were only covered but not yet redeemed until the cross . Wow if your messing up this simple verse then how wrong you must be on other areas . Read Hebrews 9 .
1¶But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Read verse 15 . Thats what Romans 3 is talking about . All the sins under the first testament.
 

throughfaith

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Works CAN NOT CLEANSE US,
THE BLOOD OF YESUAH COVERS OUR SINS, THEN BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, UNLESS WE SIN WILLFULLY, IF WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE LOST,
ROMANS 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
NOTICE THAT THIS TELLS US THAT IT IS THE SINS THAT ARE IN OUR PAST,
NOT THE SINS THAT WE COMMIT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN CLEANED, THAT JUST GETS US UNCLEAN AGAIN,
AND NEED YESUAH TO CLEAN US AGAIN!!!
BUT AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, BECAUSE WE HAFT TO BRAKE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO SIN AND MAKE US UNCLEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOD'S LAW IS FOR, TO SHOW US OUR SINS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT OUR SINS ARE SO WE CAN STOP SINNING, AS GOD SHOWS US OUR SINS BY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,
NO THE COMMANDMENTS CAN NOT CLEAN US, BUT WHEN YESUAH CLEANS US THE COMMANDMENTS WILL KEEP US CLEAN, IF WE WILL KEEP THEM,
Is it necessary to do CAPS LOCK on every message ?
 

throughfaith

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Works CAN NOT CLEANSE US,
THE BLOOD OF YESUAH COVERS OUR SINS, THEN BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, UNLESS WE SIN WILLFULLY, IF WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE LOST,
ROMANS 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
NOTICE THAT THIS TELLS US THAT IT IS THE SINS THAT ARE IN OUR PAST,
NOT THE SINS THAT WE COMMIT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN CLEANED, THAT JUST GETS US UNCLEAN AGAIN,
AND NEED YESUAH TO CLEAN US AGAIN!!!
BUT AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, BECAUSE WE HAFT TO BRAKE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO SIN AND MAKE US UNCLEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOD'S LAW IS FOR, TO SHOW US OUR SINS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT OUR SINS ARE SO WE CAN STOP SINNING, AS GOD SHOWS US OUR SINS BY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,
NO THE COMMANDMENTS CAN NOT CLEAN US, BUT WHEN YESUAH CLEANS US THE COMMANDMENTS WILL KEEP US CLEAN, IF WE WILL KEEP THEM,
When Jesus died for your sins. Where you alive ?
 

throughfaith

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Works CAN NOT CLEANSE US,
THE BLOOD OF YESUAH COVERS OUR SINS, THEN BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, UNLESS WE SIN WILLFULLY, IF WE SIN WILLFULLY, WE ARE CHOOSING TO BE LOST,
ROMANS 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
NOTICE THAT THIS TELLS US THAT IT IS THE SINS THAT ARE IN OUR PAST,
NOT THE SINS THAT WE COMMIT AFTER WE HAVE BEEN CLEANED, THAT JUST GETS US UNCLEAN AGAIN,
AND NEED YESUAH TO CLEAN US AGAIN!!!
BUT AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AFTER YESUAH CLEANS US, WE WILL STAY CLEAN, BECAUSE WE HAFT TO BRAKE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS TO SIN AND MAKE US UNCLEAN, THAT IS WHAT GOD'S LAW IS FOR, TO SHOW US OUR SINS, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT OUR SINS ARE SO WE CAN STOP SINNING, AS GOD SHOWS US OUR SINS BY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS,
NO THE COMMANDMENTS CAN NOT CLEAN US, BUT WHEN YESUAH CLEANS US THE COMMANDMENTS WILL KEEP US CLEAN, IF WE WILL KEEP THEM,
Are you Roman Catholic ?
 

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Things religions and cults teach that are necessary for salvation.

Islam .
Your good deeds have to outweigh your bad.
works righteousness.
no assurance.

Mormons :
Good deeds and following all the laws and the teachings of Joseph Smith, plus water baptism with enduring to the end to be saved .
No assurance

Jehovah's Witnesses :
Water baptism
Preaching work , door to door ect .
you have to endure to the end to be saved .No assurance

Catholicism.
Water baptism .
Good deeds .
Literal consumption of the body and blood of Jesus.
confession .
works righteousness .
Dying in a state of grace for final justification.
Enduring to the end to be saved.
No assurance

Sadly . Some Christians also :
Only past sins forgiven by Jesus .
Deeds of faith.
repentence .
Water baptism .
Initial evidence.
Obedience .
Works .
Enduring to the end .
perseverance.
stop sinning.
10 commandments.
Sabbath .
confession .
No assurance.
Here are some things that the Bible says one needs to be saved. What do you think of them?

Matthew 10:22 - saved by enduring
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 16:25 - saved by losing your soul-life (lit. Gk.)
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 19:25 - saved by being poor.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Matthew 24:13 - saved by enduring
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:22 - saved by God shortening the Tribulation
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

John 10:9 - saved by entering the right door
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Romans 5:10 - saved by the LIFE of Jesus
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1st Timothy 2:15 - saved by childbearing. It excludes all men and all barren women
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1st Peter 3:21 - baptism saves
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:23 - saved by another putting fear into you
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 21:24 - the NATIONS saved. They are CONTRASTED with the New Jerusalem and never believed
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
 

throughfaith

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Here are some things that the Bible says one needs to be saved. What do you think of them?

Matthew 10:22 - saved by enduring
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 16:25 - saved by losing your soul-life (lit. Gk.)
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Matthew 19:25 - saved by being poor.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

Matthew 24:13 - saved by enduring
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:22 - saved by God shortening the Tribulation
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

John 10:9 - saved by entering the right door
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Romans 5:10 - saved by the LIFE of Jesus
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

1st Timothy 2:15 - saved by childbearing. It excludes all men and all barren women
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1st Peter 3:21 - baptism saves
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:23 - saved by another putting fear into you
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 21:24 - the NATIONS saved. They are CONTRASTED with the New Jerusalem and never believed
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
1) Tribulation passage . Physical death . Unless the Mark of the beast is taken .

2) Life is found when in Christ . John 14.6

3) John 14.6

4) Same as 1)

5) Tribulation . Physical.

6) John 14.6

7) regeneration

8) Women at their most vulnerable ( child bearing ) saved from wrong doctrines.

9) 1) Baptism does not save anyone in verse 21. It is a “figure” of your salvation that is “like” the account of Noah and his family being saved. If they were “saved by water,” then it certainly wasn’t by being immersed in it. And if baptism is a “figure,” then it is not the actual thing itself. 2) Baptism has nothing to do with washing away your sins (Acts 22:16). Peter says “NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh.” That “filth” is defined in 2 Corinthians 7:1; James 1:21; 2 Peter 2:7; and Revelation 22:11. It is the moral filth of sin. So baptism does not put away your sin when you go under the water.

Acts 15:11, Peter speaking, “But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they” Acts 15:9, “And put no difference between us and them, PURIFYING THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH.”

10) Physical

11 ) Not sure needs further clarification.
 

Corban

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1) Tribulation passage . Physical death . Unless the Mark of the beast is taken .

2) Life is found when in Christ . John 14.6

3) John 14.6

4) Same as 1)

5) Tribulation . Physical.

6) John 14.6

7) regeneration

8) Women at their most vulnerable ( child bearing ) saved from wrong doctrines.

9) 1) Baptism does not save anyone in verse 21. It is a “figure” of your salvation that is “like” the account of Noah and his family being saved. If they were “saved by water,” then it certainly wasn’t by being immersed in it. And if baptism is a “figure,” then it is not the actual thing itself. 2) Baptism has nothing to do with washing away your sins (Acts 22:16). Peter says “NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh.” That “filth” is defined in 2 Corinthians 7:1; James 1:21; 2 Peter 2:7; and Revelation 22:11. It is the moral filth of sin. So baptism does not put away your sin when you go under the water.

Acts 15:11, Peter speaking, “But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they” Acts 15:9, “And put no difference between us and them, PURIFYING THEIR HEARTS BY FAITH.”

10) Physical

11 ) Not sure needs further clarification.
Thank you for your effort and time. I think that we can agree that the word "saved" must be dictated by its context. "Saved" can mean a variety of things.
 

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Rom 3 is about ALL the sins that were past ..the ones they were only remitted by the sacrifices under the old covenant. Thousands of years of sins that were only covered but not yet redeemed until the cross . Wow if your messing up this simple verse then how wrong you must be on other areas . Read Hebrews 9 .
1¶But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Read verse 15 . Thats what Romans 3 is talking about . All the sins under the first testament.
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YESUAH IS UP THERE IN HEAVEN TAKING CARE OF OUR SINS RIGHT NOW, IN the SANCTUARY ON MADE BY HANDS
 

throughfaith

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IT IS WHAT HEBREWS TELLS US THAT HE IS DOING,
What about verses saying what he has already DONE and FINISHED?
2cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Col 2
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 

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What about verses saying what he has already DONE and FINISHED?
2cor 5
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
HE FINISH THE PLAIN OF SALVATION, NOW HE IS USING HIS BLOOD TO COVER OUR SINS,
 

throughfaith

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#19
IF YOU want TO KNOW , STUDY WHAT THE HIGH PRIEST DOES, THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT YESUAH IS DOING TODAY IN HEAVEN
Hebrews 10:14
“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.”