Works

[shebamo]

Before someone says the unsaved can do those same works does that mean they are saved. No, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that who so ever believes in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. The difference is Jesus said the righteous ( on the right ) and the book is quite clear we are righteous through and because of the blood of Jesus, not of ourselves, the acceptance of his undeserved favour, Grace of God. Those on the left, goats, Lord ( they call him lord ) did we not do this and that, even drive out demons and IN YOUR NAME perform many miracles? What did they neglect to do? JESUS says it! The RESULT of this grace is works pleasing to God. It is not one or the other. And I am crying now because I know I fall short and now in front of you all, total strangers, yet brothers and sisters in Christ, I ask you Father ( and ask my siblings to pray for me ) to fil me with more of Your power to do your will unto other. Forgive me where I lacking. Thank you Lord.

 

[Grace777x70]

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Before someone says the unsaved can do those same works does that mean they are saved. No, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that who so ever believes in Him should not perish but have ever lasting life. The difference is Jesus said the righteous ( on the right ) and the book is quite clear we are righteous through and because of the blood of Jesus, not of ourselves, the acceptance of his undeserved favour, Grace of God. Those on the left, goats, Lord ( they call him lord ) did we not do this and that, even drive out demons and IN YOUR NAME perform many miracles? What did they neglect to do? JESUS says it! The RESULT of this grace is works pleasing to God. It is not one or the other. And I am crying now because I know I fall short and now in front of you all, total strangers, yet brothers and sisters in Christ, I ask you Father ( and ask my siblings to pray for me ) to fil me with more of Your power to do your will unto other. Forgive me where I lacking. Thank you Lord.

 

[shebamo]

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Thank you for that and back at you

 

[coby]

No. I think the people should view you as someone with wrong theology at best.

I remember when a ministry I shall not mentioned called me because a faith teacher had a heart attack and his ministry needed money to function.

I can name a number of statements from ministers who led their whole life believing one way and then being sick towards death and coming to the realization that God does what God wants.

We have a church about twelve miles from me or less that has been in the news because they didn't vaccinate their children or take their children to doctors or hospitals and their children died.

Paul didn't heal everybody and couldn't heal everybody.

2 Timothy 4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.


1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.


2 Corinthians 12:7 ¶ And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2 Corinthians 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


Elisha died even though he had a double portion of the spirit:


2 Kings 13:14 ¶ Now Elisha was fallen sick of his sickness whereof he died. And Joash the king of Israel came down unto him, and wept over his face, and said, O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.

I didn't say everyone always gets healed, but people are getting healed and in the Bible are also other examples. Just because some take it to an extreme and just because cults exist and the devil can also do miracles, doesn't mean that God never uses His people to heal people. I have seen enough miracles. We just got a course in church: how you can heal the sick.

 

[Grace777x70]

It is without a doubt God's will to heal people...it's in the gospel of the grace of Christ message

Jesus is perfect theology.

He healed ALL who came to Him.

Just because some people don't get healed by men laying hands on them is not an indication that God doesn't want to heal them. Look at the disciples that couldn't heal the demon possessed boy....if we went by that experience alone we would say..God didn't want him healed..not true tho..look at what happened when Jesus ( Mr. perfect theology ) showed up...He healed the boy

We can't let our experiences dictate what is true..God's word is true..

Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father. So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.

Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

I didn't say everyone always gets healed, but people are getting healed and in the Bible are also other examples. Just because some take it to an extreme and just because cults exist and the devil can also do miracles, doesn't mean that God never uses His people to heal people. I have seen enough miracles. We just got a course in church: how you can heal the sick.

 

[shebamo]

It is without a doubt God's will to heal people...it's in the gospel of the grace of Christ message

Jesus is perfect theology.

He healed ALL who came to Him.

Just because some people don't get healed by men laying hands on them is not an indication that God doesn't want to heal them. Look at the disciples that couldn't heal the demon possessed boy....if we went by that experience alone we would say..God didn't want him healed..not true tho..look at what happened when Jesus ( Mr. perfect theology ) showed up...He healed the boy

We can't let our experiences dictate what is true..God's word is true..

Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father. So, whatever understanding of God we get from the Old Covenant that doesn't line up with Jesus' manifestation of the Father will be inaccurate.

Hebrews 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith. He had a little trouble in his home town.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Are you out preaching the gospel, healing the sick, cleansing the leaper, raising the dead and casting out devils at every ordained God given divine sovereign opportunity? Those are just a few works to be doing. Mark 16 needs to be active in the life of every believer.
A liar? Thousands of people are doing it. Jesus said those signs would follow the believers and He told us to do it in His Name, so it's just the Bible. Get kickstarted and pray for God's glory to manifest.
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Well if thousands of people are doing it then you should be able to give me thousands of names of those who have been healed and raised from the dead.
I will stand by my statement until you produce those names.

 

[coby]

Well if thousands of people are doing it then you should be able to give me thousands of names of those who have been healed and raised from the dead.
I will stand by my statement until you produce those names.

They're going to the street and healing the sick. I don't know how many got raised from the dead. Even in the West it's sometimes in the News after 45 minutes. I don't know all the names of Indians and Africans raised from the dead. That pastor from Reinhard Bonnke, there are a few movies on youtube. You don't see dead raised on a big scale in the West, but I know of some. A couple of people in our church years ago raised their grandma from the dead, but she asked them to let her go.

This is happening on a large scale now by regular believers that get kickstarted and go to the street, also in Holland. He kickstarted a lot of people here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCE--KFaVw

 

[coby]

Torben Sondergaard Healing | Best Documented Healing Miracle Site

 

[3Scoreand10]

They're going to the street and healing the sick. I don't know how many got raised from the dead. Even in the West it's sometimes in the News after 45 minutes. I don't know all the names of Indians and Africans raised from the dead. That pastor from Reinhard Bonnke, there are a few movies on youtube. You don't see dead raised on a big scale in the West, but I know of some. A couple of people in our church years ago raised their grandma from the dead, but she asked them to let her go.

This is happening on a large scale now by regular believers that get kickstarted and go to the street, also in Holland. He kickstarted a lot of people here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCE--KFaVw

So how much money is this fraud making?

Answer the question. How many have YOU healed and raised from the dead? Name just one.
Careful that you don't lie.

 

[coby]

So how much money is this fraud making?

Answer the question. How many have YOU healed and raised from the dead? Name just one.
Careful that you don't lie.

Money? Those people that go out are regular believers and get nothing for it.
I raised my kid from the dead when he was 7 weeks and out of my body. Died 2 weeks later.
I prayed for myself, for my son when he had pneunomia, for my aunt who got healed from a brain tumor, that was with the whole church praying, I threw her name in the prayer box. I prayed with the course when I was just saved for a woman from church who couldn't get kids anymore because her whomb was turned. It turned back and she got another kid. Normally we pray with a group when someone is sick. One other woman healed from cancer after corporate prayer, my ex's dad instantly healed from cancer, everything gone on the xray, doctors said it was a miracle. A lot of people got healed in church. We had a healing ministry and my ex earned 700 euro a month lol in the good times. My mother couldn't move all week, back pain, I prayed, instantly gone. My dad was mad because the whole week she couldn't help him with the house and then she was healed and went to church.

 

[3Keys2Kingdom]

Money? Those people that go out are regular believers and get nothing for it.
I raised my kid from the dead when he was 7 weeks and out of my body. Died 2 weeks later.
I prayed for myself, for my son when he had pneunomia, for my aunt who got healed from a brain tumor, that was with the whole church praying, I threw her name in the prayer box. I prayed with the course when I was just saved for a woman from church who couldn't get kids anymore because her whomb was turned. It turned back and she got another kid. Normally we pray with a group when someone is sick. One other woman healed from cancer after corporate prayer, my ex's dad instantly healed from cancer, everything gone on the xray, doctors said it was a miracle. A lot of people got healed in church. We had a healing ministry and my ex earned 700 euro a month lol in the good times. My mother couldn't move all week, back pain, I prayed, instantly gone. My dad was mad because the whole week she couldn't help him with the house and then she was healed and went to church.

Don't let the religious demon of doubt and unbelief beat you. Keep singing your song for Jesus! Your testimony is one of the most powerful tools you have against hell!! I'm sorry for your loss! keep walking by faith!! its worth it!

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen!

Revelation 12:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.

Don't let the religious demon of doubt and unbelief beat you. Keep singing your song for Jesus! Your testimony is one of the most powerful tools you have against hell!! I'm sorry for your loss! keep walking by faith!! its worth it!

 

[3Keys2Kingdom]

They're going to the street and healing the sick. I don't know how many got raised from the dead. Even in the West it's sometimes in the News after 45 minutes. I don't know all the names of Indians and Africans raised from the dead. That pastor from Reinhard Bonnke, there are a few movies on youtube. You don't see dead raised on a big scale in the West, but I know of some. A couple of people in our church years ago raised their grandma from the dead, but she asked them to let her go.

This is happening on a large scale now by regular believers that get kickstarted and go to the street, also in Holland. He kickstarted a lot of people here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCE--KFaVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256879DkLR4&feature=youtu.be

 

[3Keys2Kingdom]

So how much money is this fraud making?

Answer the question. How many have YOU healed and raised from the dead? Name just one.
Careful that you don't lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256879DkLR4&feature=youtu.be

 

[Utah]

This is not about salvation. This is about doing the works of Him who sent you. Did you read the OP?

I enjoyed the OP, but post #4 is what caused me great concern.

 

[3Keys2Kingdom]

I enjoyed the OP, but post #4 is what caused me great concern.

what was the concern? I do believe you have misunderstood #4

 

[planitsoon]

3Scoreand10, No offense but I found that most people having trouble to believe that miracles still happen today, have actually most of the time just an intellectual acceptance of an historical fact (that Jesus rose from the dead) just like Evolutionist do, when they say thousands and thousands of years ago, but think that these same people, if they would have lived 2000 years ago, also would not have believed when they would have heard that Lazarus just a few earlier rose from the dead after four days stinking in the grave.

So weird that people can be exited about the historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead but attack others when it happens today and are in total disbelief. That is what I call to say the least....a very very inconsistent "faith".

By the sound of your last challenge you have never healed one sick person in His Name and His authority as we are commanded to do.
Jesus said to His disciples to heal the sick and they would have said, Lord we can't heal the sick only you can Jesus!!!.

lol, I quote: "Answer the question. How many have YOU healed and raised from the dead? Name just one.
Careful that you don't lie"

Jesus must have laughed too, yes, we all know that nobody can heal in his own name but Jesus still said to them. Go out and just do it!!! Heal the sick!!!

But.... He also rebuked them ones for failing to heal a sick boy because of their lack of faith. Jesus put the responsibility back on His disciples and said:" How long do I have to bear you?" Most of the church today ignores this verse as many don't know what faith is:

To thank Him that you have received what you have prayed for!

According to Mark 11:24. To trust Him and determine in your heart, It is done, Thank you Lord! without the immediate evidence. You said it Lord, We believe it, That settles it! By His strypes we WERE (past) healed 1 Peter 2:24

 

[Chuckt]

3Scoreand10, No offense but I found that most people having trouble to believe that miracles still happen today, have actually most of the time just an intellectual acceptance of an historical fact (that Jesus rose from the dead) just like Evolutionist do, when they say thousands and thousands of years ago, but think that these same people, if they would have lived 2000 years ago, also would not have believed when they would have heard that Lazarus a few earlier rose from the dead after four days stinking in the grave.

I have no problem with believing. I believe Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead but I don't believe there are any credible people today that were raised from the dead or credible ministers who raised people from the dead. There are people in ministry today who get money or a position from the church today who are willing to lie for their job. In fact, I don't trust the elders of most churches in being able to stand up to false teaching.

 

[Utah]

what was the concern? I do believe you have misunderstood #4

I believed you were promoting works based salvation. I hope I was wrong.