Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast
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"Thanks for your response. Yes, I do believe that the Father and the Son are one. Jesus himself declares this. I believe the Holy Spirit is one with count the Father and Son as well. There is no doubt about that. "
The Holy spirit, is what makes Jesus One with God. and what is really great is that the Holy spirit makes you One with God, through Faith in Jesus. the Father and Son are One, and this is what One should realize when the spirit comes
john 14 : 20 " At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
the Holy spirit is what makes Jesus One with God, and it also makes us One with Jesus, who is One with God. when we receive the Holy Ghost, we are One with Jesus " the Body of Christ" " the temple of Gods spirit" thats unity between God and man the Holy ghost.
1 john 5: Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
v6 " This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. "
jesus is the word that is in Heaven Gods word made flesh, in the form of His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word made flesh He is the " fulfillment" of Gods Words of promise concerning the messiah. the word made reality. as He says He came from God. proceeded out from God is of God, part of Him just as all children proceed from thier father.
Jesus is the Word you see there in 1 John that God sent from Heaven, in order to send the Holy ghost to mankind through Him. God never Left His throne, He sent His Only begotten Son, His words promised long afore come to pass that He would send His son the messiah for salvation. the word in Heaven was always what God had said about the messiah. God is in Heaven never left, He sent Jesus to redeem Mankind and because the Holy ghost is in Jesus, he is One with God by that spirit God is the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy ghost makes God One with man because he comes to Live within us through Faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God.
The Holy spirit, is what makes Jesus One with God. and what is really great is that the Holy spirit makes you One with God, through Faith in Jesus. the Father and Son are One, and this is what One should realize when the spirit comes
john 14 : 20 " At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
the Holy spirit is what makes Jesus One with God, and it also makes us One with Jesus, who is One with God. when we receive the Holy Ghost, we are One with Jesus " the Body of Christ" " the temple of Gods spirit" thats unity between God and man the Holy ghost.
1 john 5: Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
v6 " This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. "
jesus is the word that is in Heaven Gods word made flesh, in the form of His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word made flesh He is the " fulfillment" of Gods Words of promise concerning the messiah. the word made reality. as He says He came from God. proceeded out from God is of God, part of Him just as all children proceed from thier father.
Jesus is the Word you see there in 1 John that God sent from Heaven, in order to send the Holy ghost to mankind through Him. God never Left His throne, He sent His Only begotten Son, His words promised long afore come to pass that He would send His son the messiah for salvation. the word in Heaven was always what God had said about the messiah. God is in Heaven never left, He sent Jesus to redeem Mankind and because the Holy ghost is in Jesus, he is One with God by that spirit God is the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy ghost makes God One with man because he comes to Live within us through Faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God.
Just to say that Aaron was not happy with what Moses did, so obviously what Moses did was not good. He also married outside of his own people and his father-in-law was a pagan priest, so it was a bad thing Moses did because for one thing the God of his wife was not the I AM.
I am wanting to show you something from scripture that answers the OP and we need to see the bigger picture. I will post more tomorrow.
I am wanting to show you something from scripture that answers the OP and we need to see the bigger picture. I will post more tomorrow.
It was Moses' own brother and sister, Aaron and Miriam that thought to judge him about his wife, asking, 'Don't we hear from God just the same?", to which God answered essentially answer, "Do you, really? Then why didn't you see this coming?..." (I do wonder the prophetic significance of Miriam's representation as she was stricken with leprosy and put without the camp seven days relative to the consideration that Moses is a representation of Messiah.)
Also, noting instances in the Hebrew where 'elohim' refers to 'gods' rather than God, such as in Exodus 8:11, "Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods...", I do question the accuracy of the same, ha'elohim, translated as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 being used as proof text for proper inference of demon half-breeds.
I'm given more cause to be sure that nephelim were not actual sons of 'demons' especially considering the elohim found in Psalms 82:6, "I said you are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High" seeing this as speaking to men, and not angels.
Along with those terms not referring to God in both verses mentioned, Yahweh and Elyovn are mentioned also, which I do believe is reference of the LORD Most High in both cases, and I'm confident most agree.
So then, anywhere that the text reads "Thus sayeth the LORD" I do consider to be attributed to Yahweh, (and therefore) Jesus, such as in Jeremiah 45:2, "Thus says the LORD the God of Isreal to you, O Baruch". Now, if, as some say, it is permissible to offer Jesus worship though only properly if not as God, then it would actually only be lip service that is being encouraged in that case.
Indeed, this approach toward worship is oft the one taken in order that it be ensured that Father and Son are separate, and different. Though, at first glance, Yahweh may seem very different from Jesus, in the following verses Jeremiah 45:4-5, Yahweh speaks, "...Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, what I have built I am about to tear down, and what I have planted I am about to uproot, that is the whole land...I am going to bring disaster on all flesh,' declares the LORD, 'but I will give your life for a booty in all the places that you may go.'"
Would this declaration seem out of character if it were Jesus? As Jesus says in Matthew 10:34, "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." And, the context of that continues with the distinction of the life and rewards of those whom receive Him and the judgment of those whom do not.
Although there are distinctions between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (I think of the distinctions in terms of 'I Am That I Think, I am That I Say, and I Am that I Do' , though not necessarily certain these correspond in that order), nevertheless, the character of the Word which each of these speak is consistent and indistinguishable.
Also, noting instances in the Hebrew where 'elohim' refers to 'gods' rather than God, such as in Exodus 8:11, "Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods...", I do question the accuracy of the same, ha'elohim, translated as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 being used as proof text for proper inference of demon half-breeds.
I'm given more cause to be sure that nephelim were not actual sons of 'demons' especially considering the elohim found in Psalms 82:6, "I said you are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High" seeing this as speaking to men, and not angels.
Along with those terms not referring to God in both verses mentioned, Yahweh and Elyovn are mentioned also, which I do believe is reference of the LORD Most High in both cases, and I'm confident most agree.
So then, anywhere that the text reads "Thus sayeth the LORD" I do consider to be attributed to Yahweh, (and therefore) Jesus, such as in Jeremiah 45:2, "Thus says the LORD the God of Isreal to you, O Baruch". Now, if, as some say, it is permissible to offer Jesus worship though only properly if not as God, then it would actually only be lip service that is being encouraged in that case.
Indeed, this approach toward worship is oft the one taken in order that it be ensured that Father and Son are separate, and different. Though, at first glance, Yahweh may seem very different from Jesus, in the following verses Jeremiah 45:4-5, Yahweh speaks, "...Thus says the LORD, 'Behold, what I have built I am about to tear down, and what I have planted I am about to uproot, that is the whole land...I am going to bring disaster on all flesh,' declares the LORD, 'but I will give your life for a booty in all the places that you may go.'"
Would this declaration seem out of character if it were Jesus? As Jesus says in Matthew 10:34, "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword." And, the context of that continues with the distinction of the life and rewards of those whom receive Him and the judgment of those whom do not.
Although there are distinctions between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (I think of the distinctions in terms of 'I Am That I Think, I am That I Say, and I Am that I Do' , though not necessarily certain these correspond in that order), nevertheless, the character of the Word which each of these speak is consistent and indistinguishable.
This is what I am seeing for nephelim:-
Genesis 6:4
giants — The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide. (Jamison, Fawcett, Brown)
H5303
nephi^yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3
They would be the sons of men (heathens) rather than the sons of God (believers).
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=nasb&strongs=h5303
Genesis 6:4
giants — The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide. (Jamison, Fawcett, Brown)
H5303
nephi^yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
Total KJV occurrences: 3
They would be the sons of men (heathens) rather than the sons of God (believers).
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=nasb&strongs=h5303
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◄ Genesis 6:4 ►
Text Analysis
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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5303 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]han-nə-p̄i-lîm[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַנְּפִלִ֞ים[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]The Nephilim[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1961 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hā-yū[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הָי֣וּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]were[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]776 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḇā-’ā-reṣ[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בָאָרֶץ֮[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]in the earth[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3117 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bay-yā-mîm[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בַּיָּמִ֣ים[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]in days[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1992 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hā-hêm[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הָהֵם֒[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]those[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Pro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1571 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-ḡam[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְגַ֣ם[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and also[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]310 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’a-ḥă-rê-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אַֽחֲרֵי־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]after[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3651 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḵên,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כֵ֗ן[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]that[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]834 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ă-šer[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֲשֶׁ֨ר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]when[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]935 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]yā-ḇō-’ū[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]יָבֹ֜אוּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]came in[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1121 [e]
[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-nê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּנֵ֤י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the sons[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]430 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of God[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]413 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’el-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֶל־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]unto[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1323 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-nō-wṯ[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּנ֣וֹת[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the daughters[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]120 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hā-’ā-ḏām,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הָֽאָדָ֔ם[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of men[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3205 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]wə-yā-lə-ḏū[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וְיָלְד֖וּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and they bore[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]lā-hem;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]לָהֶ֑ם[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]to them[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1992 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hêm-māh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הֵ֧מָּה[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the same[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Pro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1368 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hag-gib-bō-rîm[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]mighty men[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]834 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ă-šer[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֲשֶׁ֥ר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]who[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prt[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5769 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]mê-‘ō-w-lām[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]מֵעוֹלָ֖ם[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"][were] of old[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]376 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’an-šê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אַנְשֵׁ֥י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]men[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]8034 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]haš-šêm.[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]הַשֵּֽׁם׃[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of renown[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"] [/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]p̄[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]פ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"] [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Here is to show that the "sons of Elohim" are not humans but messengers/malakim (angels/fallen angels) Nephillim is Ne-Phul, it means the fallen or those who fell in Hebrew..
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons of Elohim” is words #H1121 sons #H430 Yl[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#H1121 - ben: son, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בֵּן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ben, Phonetic Spelling: (bane), Short Definition: sons[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#H430 - elohim: God, god, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱלֹהִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: elohim, Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem'), Short Definition: God[/FONT]
◄ Job 38:7 ►
Text Analysis
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[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Translit[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Hebrew[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 25%"]English[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 18%"]Morph[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7442 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-rān-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּרָן־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]sang[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3162 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ya-ḥaḏ[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]יַ֭חַד[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]together[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3556 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kō-wḵ-ḇê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כּ֣וֹכְבֵי[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]stars[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1242 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḇō-qer;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בֹ֑קֶר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]When the morning[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7321 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]way-yā-rî-‘ū,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וַ֝יָּרִ֗יעוּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]And shouted[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3605 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kāl-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כָּל־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]all[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1121 [e]
[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-nê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּנֵ֥י[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the sons[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]430 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]’ĕ-lō-hîm.[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]אֱלֹהִֽים׃
[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of God
[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons of Elohim” is words #H1121 sons #H430 Yl[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#H1121 - ben: son, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בֵּן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ben, Phonetic Spelling: (bane), Short Definition: sons[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]#H430 - elohim: God, god, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱלֹהִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: elohim, Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem'), Short Definition: God[/FONT]
◄ Job 38:7 ►
Text Analysis
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[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Translit[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Hebrew[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 25%"]English[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 18%"]Morph[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7442 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-rān-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בְּרָן־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]sang[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3162 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ya-ḥaḏ[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]יַ֭חַד[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]together[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3556 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kō-wḵ-ḇê[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כּ֣וֹכְבֵי[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]stars[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1242 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ḇō-qer;[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]בֹ֑קֶר[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]When the morning[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]7321 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]way-yā-rî-‘ū,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וַ֝יָּרִ֗יעוּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]And shouted[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3605 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kāl-[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]כָּל־[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]all[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Noun[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1121 [e]
[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]bə-nê[/TD]
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yes but my question --
Numbers 12.
if what Moses did was wrong - as you attest - then shouldn't the One True God, holy and just, have settled this dispute by honoring Aaron & Miriam for being vexed for righteousness sake?
but how did God respond? did He affirm that Moses' actions were sinful?
how did Miriam and Aaron comprehend what the LORD did and said in reply to their grievance?
so -- yeah, Exodus happened. i agree. but what does that have to do with you saying Moses did evil in the sight of God by marrying a Cushite woman, and my asking whether it's Miriam & Aaron's view or God's which we should take? ((cuz it sounds to me you're taking Miriam's side here - Miriam in whom the root of bitterness here seems to have sprouted, as it was she who was judged and punished in the whole matter))
Aaron seems to have taken back and greatly regretted what he said. what about you?
Numbers 12.
Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married (for he had married a Cushite woman)
if what Moses did was wrong - as you attest - then shouldn't the One True God, holy and just, have settled this dispute by honoring Aaron & Miriam for being vexed for righteousness sake?
but how did God respond? did He affirm that Moses' actions were sinful?
Not so, with My servant Moses,
He is faithful in all My household
He is faithful in all My household
how did Miriam and Aaron comprehend what the LORD did and said in reply to their grievance?
Then Aaron said to Moses, “Oh, my lord, I beg you, do not account this sin to us, in which we have acted foolishly and in which we have sinned."
and then God compared Miriam's shame to one whose father had spit in her face.
so -- yeah, Exodus happened. i agree. but what does that have to do with you saying Moses did evil in the sight of God by marrying a Cushite woman, and my asking whether it's Miriam & Aaron's view or God's which we should take? ((cuz it sounds to me you're taking Miriam's side here - Miriam in whom the root of bitterness here seems to have sprouted, as it was she who was judged and punished in the whole matter))
Aaron seems to have taken back and greatly regretted what he said. what about you?
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I am means : (the Self-Existing One - The Heḇrew text reads: ’eheyeh ’asher ’eheyeh, the word ’eheyeh, being derived from hayah, which means to be, to exist)
Exodus 3:14-15, "And the Mighty One said to Mosheh, “I am that I am.” and He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘I am (the Self-Existing One - The Heḇrew text reads: ’eheyeh ’asher ’eheyeh, the word ’eheyeh, being derived from hayah, which means to be, to exist) has sent me to you.’ And the Mighty One said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוהStrength of your fathers, the Strength of Aḇraham, the Strength of Yitsḥaq, and the Strength of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations."
Micah 4:5, "For all the peoples walk, each one in the name of his mighty one, but we walk in the Name of יהוה(#H3068) our Mighty One (H#410) forever and ever."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malakyah 1:6, "A son esteems his father, and a servant his master. And if I am the Father, where is My esteem? And if I am a Master, where is My fear? said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts to you priests who despise My Name. But you asked, ‘In what way have we despised Your Name?’”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 110:1, "YHWH (#3068) said to my Ruler and King(#113): Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3068 – Yah-weh, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], The LORD, 3068 - YHWH - Yhwh: the proper name of the God of Israel, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יְהֹוָה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Proper Name, Transliteration: Yhwh, Phonetic Spelling: (yah-weh/yah-hu-wah/yeh-ho-vaw), Short Definition: YHWH[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]113 - la-ḏō-nî, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]לַֽאדֹנִ֗י [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to my Lord, 113 - adon, adon: lord, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אָדוֹן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: adon,Phonetic Spelling: (aw-done'), Short Definition: lord[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculpter of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and there is none else."[/FONT][/FONT]
Exodus 3:14-15, "And the Mighty One said to Mosheh, “I am that I am.” and He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘I am (the Self-Existing One - The Heḇrew text reads: ’eheyeh ’asher ’eheyeh, the word ’eheyeh, being derived from hayah, which means to be, to exist) has sent me to you.’ And the Mighty One said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוהStrength of your fathers, the Strength of Aḇraham, the Strength of Yitsḥaq, and the Strength of Ya‛aqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations."
Micah 4:5, "For all the peoples walk, each one in the name of his mighty one, but we walk in the Name of יהוה(#H3068) our Mighty One (H#410) forever and ever."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malakyah 1:6, "A son esteems his father, and a servant his master. And if I am the Father, where is My esteem? And if I am a Master, where is My fear? said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts to you priests who despise My Name. But you asked, ‘In what way have we despised Your Name?’”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 110:1, "YHWH (#3068) said to my Ruler and King(#113): Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]3068 – Yah-weh, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], The LORD, 3068 - YHWH - Yhwh: the proper name of the God of Israel, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יְהֹוָה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Proper Name, Transliteration: Yhwh, Phonetic Spelling: (yah-weh/yah-hu-wah/yeh-ho-vaw), Short Definition: YHWH[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]113 - la-ḏō-nî, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]לַֽאדֹנִ֗י [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to my Lord, 113 - adon, adon: lord, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אָדוֹן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: adon,Phonetic Spelling: (aw-done'), Short Definition: lord[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 45:18, "For thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Creator of the heavens, He is Mighty, Sculpter of earth and its Maker, He established it, He did not create it to be empty, He formed it to be inhabited: “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and there is none else."[/FONT][/FONT]
Moses married the daughter of a Midianite Priest. They were pagans and they were evil. They probably practised human sacrifice, it was common in the region and the Israelites took to sacrificing babies to Moloch. It was at this point Moses turned away from the I AM who commanded us not to kill in the Noahide Laws, and instead of letting God take him into the Promised Land, in the same way God released them out of Egypt by natural means over which God has control, instead of which Moses turned to the sword and killed thousands, in opposition to the commandments. He even killed the Midianites who he had married into. Nice one Moses! That in itself tells us he did wrong in the sight of the Lord.
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num 31:7-18 KJV)
So Moses married a Midionite woman and the Lord told Moses to kill them all. I don't think the Lord can have been very happy with what Moses did when he married the daughter of a foreign priest! However this raises the problem the OP understandably had with the very different nature of the God of Moses when compared with the God of the New Testament.
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Num 31:7-18 KJV)
So Moses married a Midionite woman and the Lord told Moses to kill them all. I don't think the Lord can have been very happy with what Moses did when he married the daughter of a foreign priest! However this raises the problem the OP understandably had with the very different nature of the God of Moses when compared with the God of the New Testament.
Hoiw one comes to this conclusion is beyond me, the only thing I can think of is lack of reading/understang the Written Word.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:8, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”[/FONT]
The one you call the "God of the New Testament" is going to execute judgment on this world when He returns as the Conquering Lion.
Same Mighty One;
Revelation 6:15-17, “And the sovereigns of the earth, and the great ones, and the rich ones, and the commanders, and the mighty, and every slave and every free one, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us (Hos 10:8) from the face of Him sitting on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Psalms 2:1-12, "2:1, "Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? (Mat 4:25-26. See also Dan 2:44, Dan 7:13-28, Hag 2:22, Zec 14:9 and Rev 11:15) The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”"2:4, " He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוהmocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,"2:6, "“ But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”
Hebrews 13:8, "יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Strength Almighty. And on His robe and on His banner He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:8, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”[/FONT]
The one you call the "God of the New Testament" is going to execute judgment on this world when He returns as the Conquering Lion.
Same Mighty One;
Revelation 6:15-17, “And the sovereigns of the earth, and the great ones, and the rich ones, and the commanders, and the mighty, and every slave and every free one, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us (Hos 10:8) from the face of Him sitting on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Psalms 2:1-12, "2:1, "Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? (Mat 4:25-26. See also Dan 2:44, Dan 7:13-28, Hag 2:22, Zec 14:9 and Rev 11:15) The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”"2:4, " He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוהmocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,"2:6, "“ But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”
Hebrews 13:8, "יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Strength Almighty. And on His robe and on His banner He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."
I agree with that and never said anything different, I’m pointing out Yahshua and YHWH are exactly the same in morality, righteousness and judgment.
You said there was a "OT God" and a "NT God", I’m showing that what you call the "NT God" executes judgment upon this world when He returns.
And I fully believe in following what Yahshua taught,
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
You said there was a "OT God" and a "NT God", I’m showing that what you call the "NT God" executes judgment upon this world when He returns.
And I fully believe in following what Yahshua taught,
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."
John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”
Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
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The true God is there all the way through the Bible, but that is not to say they always followed the one true God. The people turned to foreign gods and idol worship and this is where we see the people acting in ways that do not conform either to the Ten Commandments or the teaching of Jesus.
They were a disobedient and stiff-necked people.
They were a disobedient and stiff-necked people.
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There are two G/gods in the OT. Here we have the people making burnt offerings to the god of Moses.
1Ch_21:29 Meanwhile, the tent of the LORD that Moses had crafted in the desert, along with the altar of burnt offerings, were being stored at the high place in Gibeon at that time,
1Ch 29:20-21
20 David then said to the people, "Now it's your turn to praise the LORD, the God your ancestors worshiped!" So everyone praised the LORD, and they bowed down to honor him and David their king.
21 The next day, the Israelites slaughtered a thousand bulls, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs, and they offered them as sacrifices to please the LORD, along with offerings of wine.
2Ch_23:18 Jehoiada also placed the offices of the LORD's Temple under the authority of the Levitical priests whom David had assigned over the LORD's Temple, just as is required by the Law of Moses, to offer the LORD's burnt offerings with joy and singing, just as David had ordered.
2Ch_35:12 They set aside in reserve the burnt offerings, so they could distribute them in proportion to the divisions of their ancestral households for presentation by the people to the LORD, as is required by the book of Moses. They did this with respect to the bulls, also.
Exo_10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.
This is what the true God, who requires the sacrifice of our heart says about burnt offerings:
"The LORD is disgusted by gifts from the wicked but it makes him happy when his people pray. The LORD is disgusted with all who do wrong, but he loves everyone who does right." [Proverbs 15:8]
"you must be especially careful not to ask, "How did those nations worship their gods? Shouldn't we worship the LORD in the same way?" No, you should not! The LORD hates the disgusting way those nations worship their gods, because they even burn their sons and daughters as sacrifices. Obey all the laws and teachings I am giving you. Don't add any, and don't take any away. [Deu 12:31]
"Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him. (1Sa 15:22 CEV)
For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. (Hosea 6:6)
Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Luk_21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had. [The widows mite. She gave her all to God.]
The trouble is, the translators have gone all the way through the Bible and changed every occurrence of LORD to Yahweh and so now we assume it is the true God people were following when they committed evil, when in reality the true God is grieving over them.
1Ch_21:29 Meanwhile, the tent of the LORD that Moses had crafted in the desert, along with the altar of burnt offerings, were being stored at the high place in Gibeon at that time,
1Ch 29:20-21
20 David then said to the people, "Now it's your turn to praise the LORD, the God your ancestors worshiped!" So everyone praised the LORD, and they bowed down to honor him and David their king.
21 The next day, the Israelites slaughtered a thousand bulls, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs, and they offered them as sacrifices to please the LORD, along with offerings of wine.
2Ch_23:18 Jehoiada also placed the offices of the LORD's Temple under the authority of the Levitical priests whom David had assigned over the LORD's Temple, just as is required by the Law of Moses, to offer the LORD's burnt offerings with joy and singing, just as David had ordered.
2Ch_35:12 They set aside in reserve the burnt offerings, so they could distribute them in proportion to the divisions of their ancestral households for presentation by the people to the LORD, as is required by the book of Moses. They did this with respect to the bulls, also.
Exo_10:25 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
Exo_10:25 Moses said, "You must let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings to offer to the LORD our God.
This is what the true God, who requires the sacrifice of our heart says about burnt offerings:
"The LORD is disgusted by gifts from the wicked but it makes him happy when his people pray. The LORD is disgusted with all who do wrong, but he loves everyone who does right." [Proverbs 15:8]
"you must be especially careful not to ask, "How did those nations worship their gods? Shouldn't we worship the LORD in the same way?" No, you should not! The LORD hates the disgusting way those nations worship their gods, because they even burn their sons and daughters as sacrifices. Obey all the laws and teachings I am giving you. Don't add any, and don't take any away. [Deu 12:31]
"Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him. (1Sa 15:22 CEV)
For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. (Hosea 6:6)
Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Luk_21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had. [The widows mite. She gave her all to God.]
The trouble is, the translators have gone all the way through the Bible and changed every occurrence of LORD to Yahweh and so now we assume it is the true God people were following when they committed evil, when in reality the true God is grieving over them.