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GOD looks at the heart but man looks at the outward appearance
So can't you see now what James meant when he told those men show me your faith without your works and i will show you my faith by my works?
come on newbirth that should be basic principle.
Matthew 5:16
king james version
16.)Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
So can't you see now what James meant when he told those men show me your faith without your works and i will show you my faith by my works?
come on newbirth that should be basic principle.
Matthew 5:16
king james version
16.)Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
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the good works proceeds from your heart....so why should it be a problem?....the point is can you show your faith without works
it is not about who sees what...it is about faith being alone and dead....or with works....
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
it is not about who sees what...it is about faith being alone and dead....or with works....
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
no bro faith without works is dead.....you should read Heb 11
Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
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Yes, and some of these WARNINGS actually WARN of:
-- losing eternal life
-- gaining eternal death, the second death, perdition, etc.
-- not being allowed into the kingdom of heaven (God),
nor the Lamb's Book of Life, nor the city of the New Jerusalem.
Would anyone care to see these special 30+ verses?
-- losing eternal life
-- gaining eternal death, the second death, perdition, etc.
-- not being allowed into the kingdom of heaven (God),
nor the Lamb's Book of Life, nor the city of the New Jerusalem.
Would anyone care to see these special 30+ verses?
Hebrews is written to Hebrew Christians who were considering returning to Judaism because of the rejection and persecution of their families and former friends.
Heb 6 warns that if after having been instructed in and walking in The Way, they reject The Way,
they are rejecting the only sacrifice there is for their sin, and they will die in their unforfiven sin
which is subject to the wrath of God (Ro 5:9).
Any who did not heed the warning and rejected The Way demonstrated that their faith was counterfeit
because it had no root of rebirth (Lk 8:13) and they were never saved in the first place.
Those possessing true faith from the root of rebirth heeded the warning and did not reject The Way.
Heb 6 warns that if after having been instructed in and walking in The Way, they reject The Way,
they are rejecting the only sacrifice there is for their sin, and they will die in their unforfiven sin
which is subject to the wrath of God (Ro 5:9).
Any who did not heed the warning and rejected The Way demonstrated that their faith was counterfeit
because it had no root of rebirth (Lk 8:13) and they were never saved in the first place.
Those possessing true faith from the root of rebirth heeded the warning and did not reject The Way.
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Lk 8:13....
faith comes by hearing .....so they had faith....they even received him with joy......as many as received him to them gave he power to become sons of God...that tells me they they were saved....the HS is the power to become sons of God...see they are without excuse...they had no root....they did not abide/endure...
faith comes by hearing .....so they had faith....they even received him with joy......as many as received him to them gave he power to become sons of God...that tells me they they were saved....the HS is the power to become sons of God...see they are without excuse...they had no root....they did not abide/endure...
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Do you actually believe that of ALL the Hebrew Christians Paul was writing to
... that NONE of them were born-again (had received the Holy Spirit)?
Yes, it seems we must say ... regardless of their impressive works ...
those in Mt 7:21-23 did NOT do the will of Father God, so their faith was counterfeit.
... that NONE of them were born-again (had received the Holy Spirit)?
Yes, it seems we must say ... regardless of their impressive works ...
those in Mt 7:21-23 did NOT do the will of Father God, so their faith was counterfeit.
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I also think we must resolve, once and for all ...
Should all believers who have received the Holy Spirit
(to indwell them) be considered to have been "born again"?
IMO, those born-again are considered to have had
a change of heart, ideas, opinions, attitudes, etc.
Does God only give the precious Holy Spirit to
those He knows will have this precious change?
Note:
Paul writes to churches as if ALL members have the Spirit inside them!
But, IMO, it is ridiculous to assume this to be a fact.
This is why I always say:
Paul's writing style is filled with tact, edification, encouragement, etc.
even to the point of sarcasm when he says things such as:
"You guys would never do any of these things, now would you!"
And people reading him today actually think he is being serious.
I invite your comments on this.
P.S. my favorite passage is Romans 6:15-23 ...
where IMO, VERY few understand what Paul is really saying.
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No, I don't think that.
Paul's letters were circulated among the churches, and he was addressing in the churches only those Hebrews who were thinking of perhaps merging with a Jewish sect.
Some could have been from among "the large number of priests who became obedient to the faith."
(Ac 6:7)
Agreed.
Paul's letters were circulated among the churches, and he was addressing in the churches only those Hebrews who were thinking of perhaps merging with a Jewish sect.
Some could have been from among "the large number of priests who became obedient to the faith."
(Ac 6:7)
Agreed.
If the Holy Spirit indwells them, they have eternal life because they are born again.
But those in Mt 7:21-23 had only the gifts of the Holy Spirit, they did not have his indwelling.
To operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit does not necessarily mean
one has the life of the Holy Spirit in the new birth.
Why would God do that? Why would he give his gifts and not his eternal life?
Because they wanted the power of the gifts more than they wanted the Giver himself.
So he gave them exactly what they wanted.
They have no reason to complain.
Not quite. . .
God may give the gifts of the Holy Spirit to those who desire the power of the gifts more than the Giver himself.
But God's gift of the Holy Spirit himself to indwell is what causes this precious change.
Apart from the indwelling Holy Spirit, there would be no change.
Precisely. . .because Paul has no way of knowing who is born again and who is not,
no way of knowing whose faith is genuine and whose faith is counterfeit,
no way of knowing who are the wheat and who are the tares.
So, actually he is writing to the wheat, among whom are tares, and who are not
to be separated from the wheat until the final judgment.
Good one. . .doctrine of sanctification,
the process by which believers grow to maturity in Christ through
1) freedom from sin's tyranny and slavery, through slavery to God and righteousness,
and also through
2) freedom from the law's condemnation (chp 7), and
3) life in the power of the Holy Spirit (chp 8).
Good stuff. . .
But those in Mt 7:21-23 had only the gifts of the Holy Spirit, they did not have his indwelling.
To operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit does not necessarily mean
one has the life of the Holy Spirit in the new birth.
Why would God do that? Why would he give his gifts and not his eternal life?
Because they wanted the power of the gifts more than they wanted the Giver himself.
So he gave them exactly what they wanted.
They have no reason to complain.
Not quite. . .
God may give the gifts of the Holy Spirit to those who desire the power of the gifts more than the Giver himself.
But God's gift of the Holy Spirit himself to indwell is what causes this precious change.
Apart from the indwelling Holy Spirit, there would be no change.
Precisely. . .because Paul has no way of knowing who is born again and who is not,
no way of knowing whose faith is genuine and whose faith is counterfeit,
no way of knowing who are the wheat and who are the tares.
So, actually he is writing to the wheat, among whom are tares, and who are not
to be separated from the wheat until the final judgment.
Good one. . .doctrine of sanctification,
the process by which believers grow to maturity in Christ through
1) freedom from sin's tyranny and slavery, through slavery to God and righteousness,
and also through
2) freedom from the law's condemnation (chp 7), and
3) life in the power of the Holy Spirit (chp 8).
Good stuff. . .
Born again Christians are responsible for one thing. To give ALL the honor and glory due his name for saving his people. All else is sin. His people don't talk about what we do but rather what he did for us and we Are Forever thankful. HE did it all. What can you add to his work? He's already kept the Law perfectly for us, something we cannot do. Praise him for his wonderful works to the children of men and thank him daily and forever for choosing his elected blood bought children, and this BEFORE he created the world. WE worship such a Great God and his name is Jesus Christ the LORD