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AtonedFor

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#141
#141
Elin said:
If the Holy Spirit indwells them, they have eternal life because they are born again.

But those in Mt 7:21-23 had only the gifts of the Holy Spirit, they did not have his indwelling.
To operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit does not necessarily mean
one has the life of the Holy Spirit in the new birth.
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I used to just assume that those who had the Holy Spirit are "born-again".
I.E. does everyone with the indwelling Holy Spirit exhibit a real change of life?
I have never assumed that all BACs automatically have eternal life.
IMO, if one's faith MUST endure until the end of one's life (10 proof texts),
perhaps one's eternal destination is decided after one's life has ended.

From experience, IMO, only those who have been baptized with the Holy Spirit
(with the initial confirmation of speaking in tongues) are given one or more of
the 9 spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12. Only those with this anointing have these gifts.
(We're not talking about the miracles that Satan can produce.)

The gift of faith here is 1000 times beyond the faith required to receive the Holy Spirit.
The gift of tongues has nothing to do with the initial few words accompanying Spirit-baptism.
A young lady in Bulgaria who evangelized with me for several years ...
spoke in tongues almost non-stop for one week after receiving Jesus' Spirit-baptism.

Also, the Spirit-baptism is necessary to be called by God into the 5-fold ministry in Eph 4:11.
E.G. no one in the NT churches were called to one of the 5 ministries w/o the Spirit-baptism.
This topic probably should have it's own thread.
 
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AtonedFor

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#142
#142
Elin said:
Good one (Romans 6:15-23) . . .doctrine of sanctification,
the process by which believers grow to maturity in Christ through
1) freedom from sin's tyranny and slavery, through slavery to God and righteousness,
and also through
2) freedom from the law's condemnation (chp 7), and
3) life in the power of the Holy Spirit (chp 8).
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Not really.

In Romans 6:15-23 (8 verses), Paul hides a rebuke/warning amongst his other stuff.
PLUS: encourages them that they CAN be slaves of God, obedience, righteousness, etc.
MINUS: warns them 3 times that (habitual) sinners will inherit eternal death.

Welcome to the real world of Pauline writing, teaching, edification, exhorting, warning.
IMO, Jesus taught him this approach during his 17 years of training in the desert regions.
He certainly had the intellect for it.
Note: the words are all there for the Holy Spirit to reveal to whomever he desires.
 
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Elin

Banned
#143
Jan 19, 2013
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#143
AtonedFor said:
I used to just assume that those who had the Holy Spirit are "born-again".
I.E. does everyone with the indwelling Holy Spirit exhibit a real change of life?
I have never assumed that all BACs automatically have eternal life.
IMO, if one's faith MUST endure until the end of one's life (10 proof texts),
perhaps one's eternal destination is decided after one's life has ended.

From experience, IMO, only those who have been baptized with the Holy Spirit
(with the initial confirmation of speaking in tongues) are given one or more of
the 9 spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12. Only those with this anointing have these gifts.
(We're not talking about the miracles that Satan can produce.)

The gift of faith here is 1000 times beyond the faith required to receive the Holy Spirit.
The gift of tongues has nothing to do with the initial few words accompanying Spirit-baptism.
A young lady in Bulgaria who evangelized with me for several years ...
spoke in tongues almost non-stop for one week after receiving Jesus' Spirit-baptism.

Also, the Spirit-baptism is necessary to be called by God into the 5-fold ministry in Eph 4:11.
E.G. no one in the NT churches were called to one of the 5 ministries w/o the Spirit-baptism.
This topic probably should have it's own thread.
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Interesting. . .
 
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Elin

Banned
#144
Jan 19, 2013
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#144
AtonedFor said:
Not really.

In Romans 6:15-23 (8 verses), Paul hides a rebuke/warning amongst his other stuff.
PLUS: encourages them that they CAN be slaves of God, obedience, righteousness, etc.
MINUS: warns them 3 times that (habitual) sinners will inherit eternal death.

Welcome to the real world of Pauline writing, teaching, edification, exhorting, warning.
IMO, Jesus taught him this approach during his 17 years of training in the desert regions.
He certainly had the intellect for it.
Note: the words are all there for the Holy Spirit to reveal to whomever he desires.
Click to expand...
Interesting. . .
 
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