Yeshua in the Old Testament

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Hi there,

* Looking at the book of Joshua (meaning: 'Jesus the Saviour')

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Moses, as representing the Law, could not bring Israel into the Promised Land; he must die, for he had made one failure under that Law, and possession of Canaan by Law, could only be by a perfect obedience to it. Man being a sinner, cannot give this perfect obedience. Joshua, type of the risen Saviour:- brought Israel into the Land. The Grace of God in Christ Jesus, operating in the power of the Holy Spirit, can bring men into the enjoyment of that which the Law (because of man's moral weakness, on which it acts) can never do.

Praise God!

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Yeshua pictured in Able

1 Yeshua and Able were Shepherds. John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. John 10:2 , John 10:14 , Isaiah 40:11 , Psalm 23:1 and 1 Peter 2:25

2 Yeshua and Able killed by their brethren with no cause. Psalm 38:19 Many have become my enemies without cause; those who hate me without reason are numerous. John 7:19, Mark 11:18 , John 7:1and Acts 2:36

3 Yeshua and Able their brethren were Jealous of them. Matthew 27:18 For he knew that it was out of envy that they had delivered him up

4 Yeshua and Able killed by the wicked, Acts 2:23 This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross Luke 22:22 1 John 3:12

5 Both Yeshua and Able offered a lamb to God. 1 Peter 1:19 with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect John 1:29
6 The wicked who killed Yeshua and Able were punished and taken out of the land Mark 12 and 70 AD ,Genesis 4:16-17

7. both Yeshua and Able are called righteous Hebrews 11:4 - By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaks Luke 23:47
8 Both of the offerings of Yeshua and Able still speak to this day Hebrews 12:24 to Yeshua the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel. Genesis 4:10 Matthew 23:35 Revelation 6:10 Zechariah 9:11

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me
 

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Noah a shadow of Yeshua

Noah’s name means rest

Noah’s Father said he would bring us comfort from the curse on the world Matthew 11:28

They both walked with God.
Noah built an ark to save his family. Yeshua is the Ark to save who so ever will come. Then there is the Jewish wedding where the bridegroom goes and builds a place for his bride and then comes and gets her.

Living things under Noah’s authority, Everything is under Yeshua’s authority

Noah is the giver of food to all that is in the Ark. Yeshua is the bread of life

Yeshua and the Ark save us from God’s wrath and gives us victory over Satan’s assaults

Yeshua and the Ark Both the Idea of God.Both life saving

The Ark and knowing Yeshua was done by divine revelation

Yeshua and the Ark gift of God’s mercy and grace.

God invites man into the Ark and God pleads with man come to my son.
The ark had 1 door, Yeshua is the Door
The Ark has a window into heaven. Yeshua gave out the teachings of God.

We are to look to god for everything even with a storm around us.
The Ark had many rooms for the animals. Our father’s house has many rooms.
The Ark completely covered the people and Yeshua completely covers us.
The Ark rested on the 17th of Nissan. This would have been first fruits the Day Yeshua was raised from the dead.

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me
 

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Isaac a shadow of Yeshua

The birth of Yeshua and of Isaac

Both came at the appointed time Gen. 21:2, Gal. 4:4

Much time past from the promised to bring them into the world before they came.

Both pregnancies were miracles Gen. 18:13-15 , Luke 1:34-37

named before they were born Gen. 17:19, Matthew 1:21

Offering Up Of Yeshua and Isaac by their fathers

Offering of Isaac = father , son and Two witness.
Offering of Yeshua = Father, son and 2 witness.

Yeshua carried the cross and Isaac carried the wood

God brought the fire ( judgment ) and death on his son. Abraham took the fire in his hand and a knife. Hebrews 11:17-19

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me
 

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Genesis 37

Joseph was 17 when he brought a bad report to his father about the sons of Bilhah and Zilpah. They were feeding the flock together. Dan judge, Naphtali My wrestling , Gad Troop; invader; good fortune , Asher Happy
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Joseph had a dream and it caused his brothers to hate him even more.
1 Chronicles 5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright
Genesis 48:22 Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.
They were in the field harvesting sheaves and binding them. Then Josephs sheave arose and stood upright and the brothers sheaves bowed down to his. His brothers said shall you indeed reign over us? Or shall you indeed have dominion over us ( Yeshua’s dominion over the earth. ).

2nd dream the sun, the moon and the eleven stars bowed down to me. His father rebuked him but kept the matter in mind. His brothers envied him . Yeshua’s dominion in heaven)

Because the name Israel is used here this is a Spiritual thing happening here. Israel ( father God) said to Joseph ( Yeshua) are your brothers feeding the flock in /shechem ( shoulder, burden) come I will send you to them , So he said (Here I am, send me). See if it is well with your brothers ( leaders) and the flock ( God’s people). He sent him out of Shechem ( the place of alliance )He found his brothers in Dothan ( 2 wells) Now when his brothers ( leaders ) saw him a far off they conspired to kill him. Reuben the first born tried to save him by giving another plan.
Psalm 76:1010 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

God kept Joseph's brothers from killing him and their selling him turned to praise for God. They put him in a pit and sat down to eat. (Zechariah 9:11As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.) They did not care about the state of Joseph. They put him in the pit to die but God prepared away of escape Ishmaelite traders were passing by. ( Yeshua was able to get out of the pit the leaders were putting him in also because he was sinless) Judah like Judas decided to sell him. They sold him into judgment. Then Reuben ( son of vision) returned to the pit and Joseph was not there. ( just as when Mary went to the tomb and Yeshua was not there. Just like Reuben returned to his
 

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brothers and told them, Mary returned to her brothers ( the disciples ) and told them. Genesis 37: 31 So they took Joseph’s tunic, killed a kid of the goats (animal used on the day of atonement,Yeshua’s death atoned for our sins.) and dipped the tunic in the blood. 32 Then they sent the tunic of many colors, and they brought it to their father and said, “We have found this. Do you know whether it is your son’s tunic or not?”( then Yeshua’s blood was brought before the father in heaven.)
33 And he recognized it and said, “It is my son’s tunic. A wild beast has devoured him. Without doubt Joseph is torn to pieces.” 34 Then Jacob tore his clothes ( Like the curtain torn in the temple at Yeshua’s death.)

put sackcloth on his waist, and mourned for his son many days. 35 And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, “For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning.” Thus his father wept for him.( the same time blood and water poured from Yeshua it poured from the temple. Yeshua’s father mourned for him. )

Yeshua and Joseph
He was set apart or above his brothers with a robe.
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece.
Genesis 37:3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any other of his sons, because he was the son of his old age. And he made him a robe of many colors.
2 Samuel 13:18 she had a garment of divers colours upon her: for with such robes were the king's daughters that were virgins apparelled. Then his servant brought her out, and bolted the door after her.
Exodus 28:31 Make the robe that is worn with the ephod from a single piece of blue cloth

His robe was taken and kept by the gentiles
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took His outer garments and made four parts, a part to every soldier and also the tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece.
Genesis 39:12 And she caught him by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got out.
 

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Hated for his words
Genesis 37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God, this did not Abraham
John 8:37I know that you are Abraham's descendants; yet you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you
He was sold by Judah and handed over to the Gentiles.

Genesis 37: 26 So Judah said to his brothers, “What profit is there if we kill our brother and conceal his blood? 27 Come and let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother and our flesh.” And his brothers listened. 28 Then Midianite traders passed by; so the brothers pulled Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit, and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. And they took Joseph to Egypt.
Judas
Matthew 26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
Zechariah 11:12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
The Lamed is the Hebrew letter that = 30 it is made up of the letter vav, yod and kaf
Lamed =Shepherd
Vav = nailed
Yod = hand
Kaf = covered
And for the ransom of the 273 of the firstborn of the sons of Israel who are in excess beyond the Levites,
Numbers 3:46
From the firstborn of the sons of Israel he took the money in terms of the shekel of the sanctuary, 1,365.
1,365 divided by 273 equals 5. The ransom price for a firstborn is 5 shekels
 

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the price of Yeshua (30 shekels) is 5 x 6
5 = number of grace 6 is the number of man.
So the grace of the Shepherd’s nailed hands paid for the covering of man

He was a suffering servant
Joseph served in prison
Genesis 39:4 And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.
Genesis 40:4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he served them: and they continued awhile in custody.
Mark 10:45
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”


False witness
Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor
Mark 14:55 Now the chief priests and all the council sought testimony against Jesus to put Him to death, but found none. 56 For many bore false witness against Him, but their testimonies did not agree.57 Then some rose up and bore false witness against Him, saying, 58 “We heard Him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.’” 59 But not even then did their testimony agree.
Genesis 3913 And so it was, when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand and fled outside, 14 that she called to the men of her house and spoke to them, saying, “See, he has brought in to us a Hebrew to mock us. He came in to me to lie with me, and I cried out with a loud voice. 15 And it happened, when he heard that I lifted my voice and cried out, that he left his garment with me, and fled and went outside.”
16 So she kept his garment with her until his master came home. 17 Then she spoke to him with words like these, saying, “The Hebrew servant whom you brought to us came in to me to mock me; 18 so it happened, as I lifted my voice and cried out, that he left his garment with me and fled outside.”
 

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Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth
Matthew 27:12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
Mark 15:5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marveled.

He was put in prison
Genesis 39:20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him into the prison, a place where the king's prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison.
Ephesians 4 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Revelation 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades

He was araised to Glory
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God
Genesis 41:43And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.
Genesis 41:44 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without you shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.
The savior of the world
Genesis 41:45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphenathpaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potiphera priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
John 3:16 16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.…
Psalm 37:5 Commit your way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
Proverbs 16:3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.
Israel removed from the land.
 
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My apologies! This is Chuck Misler's work. The translations of the names that he uses include several non-standard definitions; none of which are unfounded, but are unique.

Whomever you got them from plagiarized them from Dr . Misler, unless they gave credit.
I dont read the works/books of various religious men. I have purchased one book a couple of years back which was my first in over twenty years (one I still have yet to read, and will not likely be bothered). The extent of my exposure to teachings is what I might fall across or allow myself in forums, for the sake of some kind of interacting (given my position). And that, only if my eye is caught to a topic of interest or the poster might seem to know what they are talking about (or might need help) to be a little interested.

This wasnt the exact video I watched, but was the shortest version of the like videos, one of which I fell onto as one might from time to time from just being on a christian forum. I never thought there was much in it except retreiving a list of names given in the scriptures (and clicking on the name meanings, and roots all the rest of it) and lining them up in their natural order.

Sharing in the same Spirit of "as you have freely received freely give" in respects to the same. I wouldnt even think it really worthy of a book on it or even think to copywrite it and sell it, it just wouldnt come into my mind to think someone would think to do that on this.

Well, I at least hope the writer gave the credit to God for setting the same up like that ( if it be legitimately of Gods design). Im sure there were tweeks to get it to work better though, so it might be best to take that kind of credit then stick God with holding the bag on that one. But to some extent I do understand. There is also an unspoken rule (of common courtesy) among brothers to extend a little acknowledgement their way in things. Afterall giving double honour to those who labor in word and doctrine, which is rare. And I would suppose that would include what another brother ( Chuck in this case) had come to by the scriptures (even though by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost).

It just seemed more like pulling the woven thread out from the scriptures and lining up what might not appear so plain, and show something somewhat in accord with the gospel (as he was bringing it forth) which would likely serve as a tool to strike further interest (or investigation). If he is would be incorrect (here or there) that wouldnt diminish the truth of the gospel (which he might be attempting to show through this means of doing so). So cant hurt.

I too would have attributed the work to Holy Spirit (for the greater part) without thought of the man's name so much. Their names are rarely remembered by me, but Jesus Christ (if they show him with skill enough would be) and thats good enough, a mand reward is with God, and the name above all names is Jesus Christ (not the name for oneself so much).

I typically dont go off to research these things, such things as doctrines, especially not in the person of te men themselves (like where they might have originated) I would think scripture would be sufficient for that.

Quick question, since the issue of credit has come in, have they figured out who the writer of the book of Hebrews is? Or is that still somewhat of a mystery still? Does anyone know with a surety or is it still speculatory?

I was just curious on a side note
 
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..... have they figured out who the writer of the book of Hebrews is? Or is that still somewhat of a mystery still? Does anyone know with a surety or is it still speculatory?..
Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author.


However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.."

since by the third century graft and corruption had entered in so much,

it is probably 'safe' (no harm done anyway) to simply believe what the early believers believed - that Paul wrote Hebrews.

the confusion came later and continues even worse every day... until yeshua returns.
 
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Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author.


However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.."

since by the third century graft and corruption had entered in so much,

it is probably 'safe' (no harm done anyway) to simply believe what the early believers believed - that Paul wrote Hebrews.

the confusion came later and continues even worse every day... until yeshua returns.
Yeah, thanks, I understand that there was some back and forth thing on it and was just curious whether they had come to any consensus on it.
 
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Hello Danie, (GandalfTheWhite)

In quoting prophecies concerning the Lord Jesus Christ as Israel's Messiah, and their New Testament fulfilment as I have: am I in fact muddying the waters? For you have been giving instances of TYPES OF CHRIST in the Old Testament, within the characters, characteristics and events of Scripture, rather than in direct prophecy. If my contribution is not helpful, or is contrary to your original intention in creating the thread, please tell me.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
This thread is to bless one another with the word of God. My intension was to learn from others :) no worries and I feel blessed to see people interact here... no matter what the contribution.
 
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Gen 40:14 But think on me when it shall be well with thee, and shew kindness, I pray thee, unto me, and make mention of me unto Pharaoh, and bring me out of this house:

Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

If we are from the world, we will be forgotten but Yeshua will not forsake us if we are part of His bride.
 
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The first word in the Bible is beresheet (בראשית). If we look at the Hebrew picture of this word we see the following:

ב beyt – house/home
ר resh – head / head of
א aleph - all power / all strength
ש shin – divine protection / all-consuming fire
י yud – hand
ת tav – sign of a cross

בר bar in Daniel 3-25 Son
ברא berah means create, form of shape
שי shayee in Psalm 68-29 translated as presents / gifts
שית sheet in Genesis 4-25 translated as appoint

Now if we put it all together we get:

“Elohim will build/create (berah) a house, He will appoint his son as the head of the house. He will have all power/ all strength is in his hands for divine protection. He will be an all-consuming fire / gift and his sign will be a cross.”


To take the word beresheet a little further,

“Be” in beresheet means “In”…. ok so lets read

Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

The word firstfruits in this verse is resheet. So In firstfruits God created heaven and earth. Who was the firstfruit?

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Yeshua, my friends. The word of God is all about Yeshua.
 
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Eve were born from the rib (side) of the first Adam. We, the bride of Christ, were born from his side. Remember when the Roman soldier pushed the spear into Yeshua side there were blood (life) and water (Holy Spirit).


Adam also said the following when he saw Eve “This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man”.

The following is said about us (His bride):
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones

But we also see in Revelation 2 that we will receive new names from Him

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
 
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Gandolf The true Gospel is in both testaments. There is an old saying The New in the Old concealed the Old in the new revealed