YOKE OF BONDAGE

[gb9]

How many were for only the Levites? How many of them are repeated. Thou shall not look on the nakedness of your father, your mother, your sister, your brothers wife, your fathers wife, your sisters husband. Thou shall not commit incest. with your sister, your brothers daughter, your fathers wife, your cousin.

Are these all just one Law? Thou shall not commit Adultery. And isn't this all part of the 2nd greatest Commandment. "thou shall love your neighbor as yourself?

So the man made statement that there are 613 Commandments of God for people to follow in the Old Testament is a deception, an untruth designed to convince us that God's Laws are so Grievous, so burdensome, so many in number, that it is impossible to keep them.

Wikipedia didn't allow Himself to be killed on my behalf, so I won't be building doctrine from their Word's.

you have been shown, by posthuman a few months ago, how the 613 connect back to the Torah.

you can say the Pharisees just made them up all you want, but that does not make it true.

 

[Studyman]

If you value your post, you can fix it. Then it would make sense for me to respond at that point.

this sounds to me very much like the principal of faith. in the current post you mentioned loving God with all your heart, true a good idea. and yes the law and the prophets teach us how to do this, by basically doing unto others. and yes the law and the prophets are still here. Their goal is teaching us to do onto others.

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.

That's the goal of the law and the prophets. does this lead to any absolute rules? As far as activities go? I would say no.

We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.

There will always be times places, exceptions wear something must be done that breaks the letter of the law but keeps the spirit of doing unto others.

Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.

Now we, brothers, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30 However what does the Scripture say? “Throw out the servant and her son, for the son of the servant will not inherit with the son of the free woman.”[c] 31 So then, brothers, we are not children of a servant, but of the free woman. Stand firm therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and don’t be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 Yes, I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace. 5 For we, through the Spirit, by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision amounts to anything, nor uncircumcision, but faith working through love. 7 You were running well! Who interfered with you that you should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you. 9 A little yeast grows through the whole lump. 10 I have confidence toward you in the Lord that you will think no other way. But he who troubles you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. so yes let us follow God's set of rules and find rest for our souls

You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

 

[Studyman]

you have been shown, by posthuman a few months ago, how the 613 connect back to the Torah.

you can say the Pharisees just made them up all you want, but that does not make it true.

I'm saying if the Law says Don't commit incest, then goes on to say not with your sister, your mother, your cousin, your brothers wife, your brothers daughter, your daughter, your daughters daughter, and so on. Is it honest to say this is 10 different laws as you do, or is it honest to read this as one law.

Can you answer even one relevant question?

 

[gb9]

I'm saying if the Law says Don't commit incest, then goes on to say not with your sister, your mother, your cousin, your brothers wife, your brothers daughter, your daughter, your daughters daughter, and so on. Is it honest to say this is 10 different laws as you do, or is it honest to read this as one law.

Can you answer even one relevant question?

the answer to your question is yes, one law.

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3656593, member: 190874"]What then?

Are we better than they? No, in no way. For we previously warned both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin. 10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one." 11"There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. 12They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, there is not even one." 13 "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit." "Viper's poison is under their lips;"

it's my understanding that no one keeps God's Commandments. see

All have sinned, and once we have sinned it's over. We have sin on us and nothing we do can change that. But God has called us out of sin. (Egypt ) And we have another chance to honor Him with the reverence and respect that He deserves. Abraham was one such example. Caleb, Noah, Zechariahs are others.

These had sin on them, they were guilty, filthy. But God instructed them as He does to us all. "Pick up your cross (sinful flesh) deny our self (repent, change) and Follow Him. (Turn to God)

So has anyone but Jesus ever lived without sin in them? No. But there are few, on a narrow Path, that have trusted God enough to forget their "past" and to move forward in a "Renewed mind" towards the goal of a perfect man who walks in the "works" He created beforehand for us to walk in. So although no man is sin free, there are those who trust God enough to "change" and turn to Him with all their might. This is the Soul He will help as He promised in John 14.

14"Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." 15"Their feet are swift to shed blood. 16 Destruction and calamity are in their paths. 17 The way of peace, they have not known." 18"There is no fear of God before their eyes." 19 Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. 20Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the Law and the Prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and upon all who believe.

So we are all in the place Abraham was when God called him out of sin. Did Abraham have a Law for the cleansing of sins? Did Abraham have Levites to atone for His sins? No Dan, He had God's Laws, just not the Law "ADDED" until 430 years later. So He was justified by something "apart" from the Law given by Moses for justification. He was justified by Faith.

Had Abraham done as Eve did, and rejected the instructions God had given him, would he still be considered "Faithful"? Of course not. He would not have been in the Faith Chapter and would not have been the father of all true Christians. He obeyed God BECAUSE He trusted God, or had Faith in God. I can't find any example where Faith and obedience are or even can be separated. I can't help it you refuse to accept the existence of atonement Laws given by Moses that Abraham didn't have. But I can promise you one thing, had their been a Levitical Priesthood in Abraham's time, He would have followed them.[/QUOTE]

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3656593, member: 190874"]

I have spent lots of time looking into the law.
The LORD's Law is perfect, restoring the soul. The LORD's testimony is sure, making wise the simple. 8The LORD's precepts are right, rejoicing the heart. The LORD's commandment is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever. The LORD's ordinances are true, and righteous altogether. 10More to be desired are they than gold, yes, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the extract of the honeycomb.11 Moreover by them is your servant warned. In keeping them there is great reward. 12 Who can discern his errors? Forgive me from hidden errors. 13Keep back your servant also from presumptuous sins. Let them not have dominion over me. Then I will be upright. I will be blameless and innocent of great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight always, LORD, my rock and my redeemer.
I'm not terribly interested in dividing them into categories. it's my understanding that you keep the whole law or you keep the law not at all.

This is because you don't recognize the Law and Prophets as Word's of the Christ. Jesus Himself, before becoming a man, promised to "change the Priesthood" in Jeremiah 31 and prophesied of it in other places as well.

Ps. 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

Ps. 60:7 Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver (But isn't Levi the Law giver)

Is. 65:
8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Since you can't seem to accept this "change in the Priesthood", you bind it with God's other Commandments, even the ones Abraham had. And Abraham couldn't have had the Levitical Priesthood for the atonement of sins. Levi wasn't even born yet. This is a mistake.

For what great nation is there, that has a god so near to them, as the LORD our God is whenever we call on him? 8 What great nation is there, that has statutes and ordinances so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? 9 Only take heed to yourself, and keep your soul diligently, lest you forget the things which your eyes saw, and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your life; but make them known to your children and your children's children; 10 the day that you stood before the LORD your God in Horeb, when the LORD said to me, "Assemble me the people, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they live on the earth, and that they may teach their children."11 You came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire to the heart of the sky, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness. 12 The LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire: you heard the voice of words, but you saw no form; you only heard a voice. 13 He declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even the ten commandments; and he wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 The LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and ordinances, that you might do them in the land where you go over to possess it. 15 Therefore watch yourselves carefully.

So if a person correctly separates the Commands given to Israel, from the Commands given specifically to Levites, it become clear the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith". It becomes clear that Abraham obeyed and was justified "Apart" from the "works of the Law" for remission of sins. As it is written:

1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

 

[Studyman]

the answer to your question is yes, one law.

Thank you G9. So right there this number being bandied about has become 603 laws. And if a person continues to use the mind God gave us in search of the truth we will find that once you separate the Commands given specifically to the Levites from the Commands given to Israel this number is shorten substantially, and when you apply honesty as you did regarding the commands, this number is reduced even more, and if you continue, you will bring this number to 10, and if you continue to study God's Word even further in search of the truth you will find only two Laws. Love God, and Love others. The entire Law and Prophets are instructions on how to achieve these two Commands.

So there isn't 613 Laws of God, this whole teaching is a deception to guide you and I away from how to Love God, and how to love others.

This is why I post against the whole "God commanded His people to keep 613 laws, and killed anyone who didn't keep them all" doctrine. It is horribly offensive to me.

I appreciate that you "see" the point I am making.

 

[gb9]

Thank you G9. So right there this number being bandied about has become 603 laws. And if a person continues to use the mind God gave us in search of the truth we will find that once you separate the Commands given specifically to the Levites from the Commands given to Israel this number is shorten substantially, and when you apply honesty as you did regarding the commands, this number is reduced even more, and if you continue, you will bring this number to 10, and if you continue to study God's Word even further in search of the truth you will find only two Laws. Love God, and Love others. The entire Law and Prophets are instructions on how to achieve these two Commands.

So there isn't 613 Laws of God, this whole teaching is a deception to guide you and I away from how to Love God, and how to love others.

This is why I post against the whole "God commanded His people to keep 613 laws, and killed anyone who didn't keep them all" doctrine. It is horribly offensive to me.

I appreciate that you "see" the point I am making.

I have never said that the 613 laws are from God. what I have said, well, not I , but historians have said is this- after Israel returned from exile, the leaders and priests reasoned that they were exiled because they broke the Law, then they would make triple sure they kept the Law.

so, in the years following Ezra and Nehemiah, which is not recorded in the Bible, they began to add laws on top of the Torah, the traditions of the elders, to ensure the Law was kept.

it is not about whither or not I agree with you, or you with me. neither of us were there. it is about being honest.

so, by the time Jesus came to earth, there was a mixture of Torah and the 613, all called the Law, that the Pharisees were insisting to be kept.

Jesus battles with them were over this. the Pharisees thought they were right with God because they said they kept them all.

 

[mailmandan]

Are you justified for Transgressing the Commandments of God by your own religious traditions while they are not?

It's your doctrine that is deceitful, dishonest and false. Your longwinded post full scripture twisting, rhetoric, trickery and deceit sounds similar to the longwinded posts full of the same nonsense that LGF used to post before he was banned.

Man is justified by faith and not by works of the law (Romans 3:22-28; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9). Period. You have not perfectly obeyed ALL the Commandments of God (Romans 3:23; 6:23) and will not be justified by law. It's you who remains in a YOKE OF BONDAGE.

I have no religious traditions that transgress the Commandments of God and all you have is that same ludicrous sales pitch, straw man arguments, pride, arrogance, trickery, deceit and your perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

*You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on Christian Chat with your deception.*

 

[Studyman]

mailmandan, post: 3656896, member: 193497"]

It's your doctrine that is deceitful, dishonest and false. Your longwinded post full scripture twisting, rhetoric, trickery and deceit sounds similar to the longwinded posts full of the same nonsense that LGF used to post before he was banned.

Very typical response from religious man. How you must miss the old days when you could just stop your ears and shut opposing views up for good.

Man is justified by faith and not by works of the law (Romans 3:22-28; 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 3:9). Period. You have not perfectly obeyed ALL the Commandments of God (Romans 3:23; 6:23) and will not be justified by law. It's you who remains in a YOKE OF BONDAGE.

Yes, by the "Works of the Law" shall no flesh be justified. That is my belief. But what were the "works of the Law" Paul was speaking about? What Laws were created for Justification that the Jews were still pushing? We know it wasn't judgment, mercy or Faith. So what were "these works of the Law"? But you refuse to even discuss, and now you insult and ridicule me for asking.

I don't believe the Bible teaches anywhere that God's Instructions are a "Yoke of Bondage" as you preach. I believe deception, blindness, rebellion against God, these are the yoke of bondage I see. You can preach God's Word is a burden on all mankind if you like Dan, that is what Eve was convinced of. But for me, I'm sticking with the Faith of Abraham.

And what is Faith? Can a man have the Faith of Abraham without showing God the reverence and honor He deserves? These are relevant questions that every "Christian" should be able and should want to answer, and or at least discuss. Why won't you even discuss them?

Why did Zechariahs know Jesus when He came, but the Mainstream Preachers , including Saul, didn't? What was the difference between the two of them? Why did Jesus reveal Himself to Zechariahs, and not Saul?

Can I have Faith without Loving God? Is Grace possible absent obedience to the first and second greatest commandments?

These are valid questions which bring your religious traditions into question. Your hatred and anger towards those who ask these questions is telling.

We are told to "test the spirits", how can we comply without asking questions?

I have no religious traditions that transgress the Commandments of God and all you have is that same ludicrous sales pitch, straw man arguments, pride, arrogance, trickery, deceit and your perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

Let me get this right; "You have no religious traditions which transgress the Commandments of God".

OK Dan, LOL.

*You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on Christian Chat with your deception.*

I posted the scriptures you or your preachers refer to and give an opinion based on what the rest of the Bible has to say about the subject. I ask questions because your religious traditions don't seem to line up with Scripture, as I point out. Jesus warns, as you so cleverly pointed out, that there will be false preachers which will use some of God's Words to deceive folks into rejecting God's Instructions. That is it's whole duty.

I am certainly not trying to convince people into disregarding God's instructions. But that is your full time message on CC. I can create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, and place it in every church in the land, and that is fine. I can observe ancient religious High Days created by a Sun Worshipper and that's fine. I can ignore volumes of scripture from the Law and Prophet that were written for my admonition, and I am saved by the Blood of Jesus.

But if I talk about following the instructions given by God as Jesus instructed, I am trying to "earn" Salvation by my works. If I mention the Holiness, and Sanctity God placed on His Sabbath, I am a reprobate and a false teacher and have fallen from Grace.

If fact, if I question any of your religious traditions and doctrines like "The Pharisees were trying to earn Salvation by following God's Commandments" or "The old testament doesn't count anymore because we are in the New Covenant", both of which are not supported by scripture, I am slammed and ridiculed as a reprobate.

But I already know how you will respond Dan. There is an entire Book that gives examples of religious man and their reaction to God's Word. I just want the argument out there for others who are reading along. Others who have also witnessed the hypocrisy and disobedience in the teaching of "many" who call Him Lord, Lord.

If you have an example of where I twisted scriptures, then post it and discuss it with me. I want to be corrected if I'm in error. But if I'm just exposing your man made doctrines, then your anger and hatred is misplaced.

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

is it Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill or Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to show us how to fulfill?


For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but
how to
perform that which is good I find not.



19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.



20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.



21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.



22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:



23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.



24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?



25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[mailmandan]

But I already know how you will respond Dan. There is an entire Book that gives examples of religious man and their reaction to God's Word. I just want the argument out there for others who are reading along. Others who have also witnessed the hypocrisy and disobedience in the teaching of "many" who call Him Lord, Lord.

If you have an example of where I twisted scriptures, then post it and discuss it with me. I want to be corrected if I'm in error. But if I'm just exposing your man made doctrines, then your anger and hatred is misplaced.

I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh! You have been shown numerous times by multiple people how you twist the scriptures, but you just don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.

Reasoning through the scriptures with you is not difficult, it's impossible! You have your agenda to keep and you absolutely MUST have the last word in ANY argument and anything that anyone says to you after that is the beginning of a new argument.

You remind me a lot of LGF and you both would have made a great pair of shady lawyers.

God's instructions are not a yoke of bondage, but misguided teachers of the law/legalists turn them into a yoke of bondage by perverting the gospel and teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." You can re-define terms in the Bible and twist the scriptures all you want in order to try and make the Bible "conform" to your errant theology, but once again, you are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on Christian Chat with your deception.

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

About him we have many words to say, and hard to interpret, seeing you have become dull of hearing. 12 For when by reason of the time you ought to be teachers, you again need to have someone teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God. You have come to need milk, and not solid food. 13 For everyone who lives on milk is not experienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby. 14 But solid food is for those who are full grown, who by reason of use have
their senses
exercised to discern good and evil. Therefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, 2 of the teaching of washings, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of everlasting judgment.

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.



13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.



14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.



15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.



16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.



17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.



18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.



19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?



20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

"don’t be entangled
again"
please don't modify my quotes, embolding words that I did not. if you wish to make something bold, please do it in the words attributed to you.
the Jewish leaders of Jesus day we're not truly Abraham's children because they were seeking to kill Jesus, which is something Abraham didn't do.
the law consists of both shalls and shall nots.

 

[posthuman]

I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion.

One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, He was being carefully watched. There in front of Him was a man suffering from abnormal swelling of his body. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the Law, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?” But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, He healed him and sent him on his way.​

Then He asked them, “If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” And they had nothing to say.
(Luke 14:1-5)​

This is what the LORD says: Be careful not to carry a load on the Sabbath day
(Jeremiah 17:21)​

​

Jesus told him, “Get up, pick up your mat, and walk.”​

Immediately the man was made well, and he picked up his mat and began to walk.​

Now this happened on the Sabbath day
(John 5:8-9)​

 

[posthuman]

I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion.

you shall seek the LORD at the place which the LORD your God will choose from all your tribes, to establish His name there for His dwelling, and there you shall come.​

(Deuteronomy 12:5)​

​

Be careful that you do not offer your burnt offerings in every place you see, but in the place which the LORD chooses in one of your tribes, there you shall offer your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I command you. ​

(Deuteronomy 12:13-14)​

​

"Woman," Jesus replied, ​

"believe Me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem." ​

(John 4:21) ​

 

[posthuman]

So if a person correctly separates the Commands given to Israel, from the Commands given specifically to Levites . . .

Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
(Deuteronomy 12:32)​

​

“Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”
(Acts 10:13)​

​

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

Jesus was born under the law.


But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, though he is lord of all; 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed by the father. 3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children.


we are not under the law.


For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.