Young Earth Creation. Does it matter what you believe?

[crossnote]

Old Earth Creationists can back up their view with Scripture.

Just as Young Earth Creationists can.

And so can Theistic Evolutionists.

Of course, each is going to insist that their interpretation of Scripture is the correct one.

But then you go to science and Young Earth Creationists fail.

There is nothing in reputable peer-reviewed scientific journals claiming that the earth is around 6,000 years old, dinosaurs coexisted with humans, or that there was a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.

If you go to the account of how sin entered creation through Adam per Rom 5 and 8 then Young Earth stands and OE/TE/PE all fall.

 

[crossnote]

I linked him to scriptural arguments. He wouldnt read them, which is exactly why i said what i said in your quote.

Answer #201 and we'll go from there.

 

[popeye]

GAP is just another lie from hell.

At first it appears it doesn't matter,but then,once we accept it,here comes the stair stepping crafty verse hoppers to build a monster where the pure word once rested.

 

[crossnote]

http://youtu.be/S2InalJfkEo

No, can't you defend your position without a video prop? Use Scripture and let's go.

 

[crossnote]

Baloney.

YEC can't be published in reputable scientific journals because it is pseudoscience not science.

YEC scientists don't even bother to submit articles to such journals, at least not articles that claim the earth is around 6,000 years old, dinosaurs coexisted with humans, or there was a global flood around 4,000 years ago, because they know they will be easily refuted and made to look foolish.

But yeah, chalk it up to some conspiracy.

That's what you do when you have no argument.

What has happened when YEC scientific arguments make it to federal courts?

FAIL.

There wouldn't be. It is automatically barred. They will not publish anything that goes against their theories. But there are reputable scientists who believe what you deny. However, they are simply dismissed and not given a hearing. That is not science, it is arrogance,

Jack H post is a perfect example of Valiant's point.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

This perversion we are witnessing in society,according to romans 1, actually begins with the disenfranchisement of God as creator,and evolves, (wink) ,into the loss of reason,and then into the sexual perversion.

Completely correct.

We are being told that kids as young as 8 now "evolve" into their sexual identity, whether gay or straight, it is all about evolving!

If you remove Adam and Eve through evolutionary means, you also remove marriage defined as between man and woman, as God mandated in the garden.

What you believe about creation and even the great flood, directly impacts your salvation.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

If you go to the account of how sin entered creation through Adam per Rom 5 and 8 then Young Earth stands and OE/TE/PE all fall.

As I stated, believers need to see the real motivation behind evolution.

Evolution remove Adam/Eve/Satan/Temptation/Sin/Fall/Jesus

Evolution also removes Satan , which has now paved the way for moral relativism.

This is why I stated in an earlier post, the modern day false prophets wear Lab Coats.

 

[crossnote]

As I stated, believers need to see the real motivation behind evolution.

Evolution remove Adam/Eve/Satan/Temptation/Sin/Fall/Jesus

Evolution also removes Satan , which has now paved the way for moral relativism.

This is why I stated in an earlier post, the modern day false prophets wear Lab Coats.

Likewise as I stated in #151...

"What's at stake is not salvation but once you start taking things figuratively without sufficient cause, you open the floodgates of spiritualizing Genesis. So 'day' no longer means 'evening and morning' and death no longer means death, or sin/sin. Consequently man no longer needs redeeming via a Redeemer but rather a new environment through education...knowing good and evil.

I'm sticking with 6 days, float away in the philosophical abyss if you want."

 

[flob]

GAP is just another lie from hell.

Lol. To the contrary: it's the Scripture

 

[crossnote]

Completely correct.

We are being told that kids as young as 8 now "evolve" into their sexual identity, whether gay or straight, it is all about evolving!

If you remove Adam and Eve through evolutionary means, you also remove marriage defined as between man and woman, as God mandated in the garden.

What you believe about creation and even the great flood, directly impacts your salvation.

I'm not sure I'd go so far as saying it would impact one's salvation but definitely their sanctification. As a matter of fact I find it hard to believe a BAC would hold tenaciously to evolution.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Lol. To the contrary: it's the Scripture

Thomas Chalmers was a heretic and surrounded himself with unbelieving scientists.

If you believe in GAP, you suggest that Satan is more powerful than God and God could not get it right the first time.

Stop relying on 2 very out of context scriptures found In Jeremiah 4 and Psalm 104 to build the case that Satan flooded the earth once, then God created and made it back.

Scofield was a fraud, tax cheat, alcoholic, and an emotional abuser of women and children.

The Bible does not support 2 world wide floods.

Put down the Dake/Scofield pipe and come back to the Word.

 

[crossnote]

It's interesting that the Gap theory was popular during the same period liberalism was rampant.
Another attempt of the Church bowing at Darwin's altar.

 

[JackH]

What you believe about creation and even the great flood, directly impacts your salvation.

Then you YECs have a serious problem.

What is your credible scientific information that there was a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago?

The book of Henry Morris on flood geology? Henry Morris, the father of the modern YEC cult movement, who founded ICR, and who got his phony flood geology from Seventh-Day Adventists?

LOL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's interesting that the Gap theory was popular during the same period liberalism was rampant.
Another attempt of the Church bowing at Darwin's altar.

Sadly, I bought into it for along time, I was so excited we could explain dinosours, and the old earth, which I was pushed down my throat as science.

Amazingly, God showed me the truth, in that i did not have to twist Gods word in order to make science appear right. But just look at real science.

Amazing that satan did this to keep people from truth.

 

[crossnote]

Then you YECs have a serious problem.

What is your credible scientific information that there was a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago?

The book of Henry Morris on flood geology? Henry Morris, the father of the modern YEC cult movement, who founded ICR, and who got his phony flood geology from Seventh-Day Adventists?

LOL.

simply ad hominem.

 

[kedge]

What you do believe about creation does affect your eternal salvation in Christ.

I believe many Christians who support the GAP Theory are taking the broad road and if they believe these things are not really saved.

Would a Genesis gap theory be a problem though?

The modern day false prophets wear lab coats.

There are Christians who are active scientists in their chosen field of study and research, this is not necessarily anti-christian.

 

[JackH]

Jack H post is a perfect example of Valiant's point.

Yawn.

Do you find a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago in science books used in public schools?

Do you find evidence of a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago at your major museums like the Smithsonian and Carnegie?

Do you find research papers in reputable scientific journals with evidence of a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago?

NO, NO, NO.

And the reason why, according to most of you YECs, is some grand conspiracy.

But then, you probably believe Dr. Dino when he said the U.S. government was behind 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings.

YEC pseudoscience is lame as a three-legged dog.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would a Genesis gap theory be a problem though?

There are Christians who are active scientists in their chosen field of study and research, this is not necessarily anti-christian.

Yeah it would. it has death on earth before sin entered the world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yawn.

Do you find a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago in science books used in public schools?

Do you find God in public schools?

Do you find evidence of a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago at your major museums like the Smithsonian and Carnegie?

Do you find God in these places?

Do you find research papers in reputable scientific journals with evidence of a 6,000 world, dinosaurs coexisting with humans, and a global flood 4,000 to 5,000 years ago?

NO, NO, NO.

Yes, just because you and other anti-God scientist do not consider them reputable. does not mean they are not so.

And the reason why, according to most of you YECs, is some grand conspiracy.

Conspiriacy of what? those places do not want to accept God and creation. No conspiracy about it, it is well documented and known about anyone who seriously has an open mind.

But then, you probably believe Dr. Dino when he said the U.S. government was behind 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings.

YEC pseudoscience is lame as a three-legged dog.

lol. Thats we do not listen to every thing any person says and consider it as truth. Men are flawed. It does not mean he is wrong in other areas.

OEC is an attempt to make to so called science that will prove that God is a fairy tail, and not make science speak for itself.

 

[kedge]

Yeah it would. it has death on earth before sin entered the world.

I don't know about the death part or what folk mean about that?, although i have heard some say that the first man adam knew what death was because he may have observed plant life,animals, creatures dying, also adam may have observed spiders eating their prey and maybe even other creatures eating other creatures, so adam could have known what death was before sin. Maybe it is possible that the universe, the sun, stars, planets and their moons and of course planet earth itself is indeed very old?, maybe it is possible that plant life, man, animals are less than ten thousand years old?