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Nautilus

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I dont have a single problem with 4.6 billion years. But then I can rationally look at religion and science and not try to use on to disprove the other.
 
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kenisyes

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So if youre admitting 9500 BC exists then YEC must be mistaken.

For the dates- Flood, The - Jewish Knowledge Base

the original time was on wikipedia under 22nd century BC and then this page shows the time of the flood ending to be 2105BC

I stated that Plato said that Timeus said that Solon said the flood was 9000 years before Plato. No other source has that date, and the "Famine Stele" (Sahal marker) implies that Tscheser (2700BC) was able to consult the records of how the "ancestors took themselves quickly to the double doors in the sky", as the records were intact. I presume that Solon checked the Egyptian records himself, and was confused by the fact that the same Egyptian hieroglyph means "year" as means "season", and there are three seasons to a year. That makes the date agree with most of the sources.

Unforfortunately, "Jewish knowledge base" does not say how they arrived at the date. It just keeps repeating it over and over. It occurred to me last night that the Septuagint gives different patriarchal chronology than the Hebrew Bible, and it calculates creation out to 4500 BC or so. Since it puts the flood at close to 2900, that's 1600 years. If you mistakenly subtract 1600 years from the Hebrew Bible's calculation of the birth of Enosh (3700), you get right about 2100 BC. I'm guessing that's what the website did, but unfortunately, they don't tell us. Matthew 1 puts a roughly identical timespan between Babylonian return and Jesus, as from David to Babylonian return, and again from Abraham to David. Abraham to David is longer, since lifespans were still declining at Abraham's time. That puts Babylonian return just after 600, David 1200, Abraham 1900. Matthew must reflect what the Jews of Jesus' time believed, since it was an evangelical tool for that group. It would be most curious to see what the website you quote does to the entire range of people from Noah through Arphaxad, down to Terah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, the 400 years until the Exodus. If they keep counting people, by Ezekiel's time, people would have to be having babies at age 4 just to get to the date of Gamaliel, and have him around during Roman Empire days. The date simply cannot be reconciled with the Old Testament and Talmud itself, let alone with archeology or history.
 
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Laodicea

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We should trust God’s Word, because “God is not a man, that he should lie” (Num. 23:19). If God really took billions of years in order to create everything, why does He then tell us it was only a matter of days?
 
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I am not suggesting post garden I am putting forth the idea while in the garden the earth WAS and we don't know how long Adam was in the garden -- could it be billions of years before the fall?

the garden is not separate from the earth it is a place on the earth.
The Garden of Eden was on the earth in the Beginning because GOD was on the earth also; however, because the Garden is an eternal place and not a natural place, it is not of the earth. The Garden still exist today, but the natural man cannot enter into it.
 
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does any one have some insight into Gen 2:4... in the day God created the heavens and the earth" or 2:5 " and every plant of the field before it was in the earth,and every herb before it grew ?? any Ideas???
 

RickyZ

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The word day refers to geneology or generation, as in ' the day of the dinosaurs'. Chapter 2 kind of fills in gaps in Genesis 1; 2:4 - 6 fills in between 1:10 and 1:11, then 2:7 fills in between 1:26 and 1:27.

Just a tip, don't study individual verses. Study contexts. What a verse means depends entirely upon what's around it.
 
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kenisyes

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does any one have some insight into Gen 2:4... in the day God created the heavens and the earth" or 2:5 " and every plant of the field before it was in the earth,and every herb before it grew ?? any Ideas???
I assume you mean why is the order different from Gen. 1? Gen. 1 is about the heavenly viewpoint, Gen. 2 is about the earthly completion. In Gen. 1, God creates "bara" (gives purpose to), in Gen. 2, He creates "asher" (completes the work).

It's like you want to make a dinner. You make the lemon cream pie dessert in the morning, so it can gel in the refrigerator. You make the roast at around 2PM. You make the salad at 5PM. You put the mashed potatoes on 3 minutes before. Then you serve it, salad first, roast and potatoes next, and then the pie. Different order; one for the kitchen, the other for the dining table. The first reflects the cook's ideas, the second the meal as eaten. Both are correct; and a perfect description of how to make a proper meal to impress requires both.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Kent Hovind also points out with pictures the fact that human footprints are documented in the same fossilized footprints of dinosaurs. The foot print was a 24 I think, but either way, I don't see how the earth could be more than 6000 years old myself, and I've done a bunch of research on it. Too much science and Bible point to the earth being around 6000 years old, which means we're about to start the 7th day in a hundred years or so (in my opinion).
 
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I was wondering where you stand on this issue.
In Genesis we are not told how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before the fall. We know once Adam and Eve left the garden that Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. We aren't give a time line on the age of Adam when Abel was born or when Cain was born nor are we told their ages when Cain murdered Abel. I am assuming that the counting of age began the day they began life outside the garden.
The point of all that is the time line begins with the birth of Seth and can be followed from there, yet we are not given much information before that. ANYONE?

The 'days' of Genesis can only be viewed as epochs of time.

A billions of year old Earth is the only valid interpretation of the Holy Bible which fits with the record of nature.
 
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The 'days' of Genesis can only be viewed as epochs of time.

A billions of year old Earth is the only valid interpretation of the Holy Bible which fits with the record of nature.
then how come there are still live trilobites around when they are supposed to be one of the first multicelled creatures and they have very complex eyes..what evidence from nature are you adhering to?
 
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then how come there are still live trilobites around when they are supposed to be one of the first multicelled creatures and they have very complex eyes..what evidence from nature are you adhering to?
God created life fully formed.....and that is what we see in the fossil record.

If dinos went extinct, then God re-created....time and again.

If they never went extinct, then there would be no need to re-create them.

 
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God created life fully formed.....and that is what we see in the fossil record.

If dinos went extinct, then God re-created....time and again.

If they never went extinct, then there would be no need to re-create them.

where does it say in the bible that God is still creating or recreating..says He finished creating and I know you do not take literally the first book of the bible that is counted as part of the Pentateuch as in books of the law that Jesus referred back to as literal so I guess you will have to argue with Jesus on your suppositions when He returns
 
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where does it say in the bible that God is still creating or recreating..says He finished creating and I know you do not take literally the first book of the bible that is counted as part of the Pentateuch as in books of the law that Jesus referred back to as literal so I guess you will have to argue with Jesus on your suppositions when He returns
There are 20 major creation accounts in the Holy Bible....not just the one in Genesis.

Psalm 104 tells the reader that God re-created as needed when life went extinct.

God stopped creating with mankind - His crowning creation....and He will not create again until He makes Paradise for us.
 
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life went extinct during the flood and God did not recreate then..He saved a remnant..what does it say in Psalm 104 to give you the impression God is recreating the creation He created...I know one day He will create a new Heaven and earth as the bible tells us that but that is in the future
 
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life went extinct during the flood and God did not recreate then..He saved a remnant..
That's because the flood was local....it only needed to flood the Mesopotamian valley to fulfill its purpose in killing humanity.


what does it say in Psalm 104 to give you the impression God is recreating the creation He created...I know one day He will create a new Heaven and earth as the bible tells us that but that is in the future
Psalm 104.26 - 30

There the ships go; You formed this great sea-animal to play in it. All of them wait for You to give them their food in due season. You give to them; they gather; You open Your hand, and they are filled with good.
You hide Your face, and they are troubled; You gather their breath, and they expire and return to their dust. You send out Your Spirit, and they are created; and You renew the face of the earth.
 
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That's because the flood was local....it only needed to flood the Mesopotamian valley to fulfill its purpose in killing humanity.




Psalm 104.26 - 30

There the ships go; You formed this great sea-animal to play in it. All of them wait for You to give them their food in due season. You give to them; they gather; You open Your hand, and they are filled with good.
You hide Your face, and they are troubled; You gather their breath, and they expire and return to their dust. You send out Your Spirit, and they are created; and You renew the face of the earth.
if it was only a local flood why then did God get Noah to accomodate all the animal kinds of the earth on an ark instead of just telling Noah to move to dry land? and as far as the verse you give me is concerned it is talking about death and life being created in the sense of being conceived and born..not created from the dust and the Word of God as it was in the Beginning..the origin of creation
 
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if it was only a local flood why then did God get Noah to accomodate all the animal kinds of the earth on an ark instead of just telling Noah to move to dry land?
The animals were local animal life that Noah and his family would need to restart their lives with.




and as far as the verse you give me is concerned it is talking about death and life being created in the sense of being conceived and born..not created from the dust and the Word of God as it was in the Beginning..the origin of creation
The Hebrew word utilized is 'bara'...used only by God as a new creation.
 
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Tintin

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I believe in a Young Earth. I think an Old Earth can be a stumbling block to one's Christian faith foundation but I don't believe that it's relevant to salvation through Christ. I'm no theologian but I have thought this through to come to my own conclusions.