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[iamsoandso]

I think you are ar mailman:
Act 16:4 As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions that had been reached by the apostles and elders who were in Jerusalem.

Gal 2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. Gal 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

exactly Paul was telling him he was not following what he wrote in the letter,,and that because he was not Barnabas was also carried away in it,,,(Galatians 2;14),,,

 

[iamsoandso]

So where was the letter,where did he leave it and did he ever get it back,,does the bible tell us?,,,,

 

[secularhermit]

exactly Paul was telling him he was not following what he wrote in the letter,,and that because he was not Barnabas was also carried away in it,,,(Galatians 2;14),,,

True!

It is like when I´m used to wear clothing and later on I´m beingn sent to a nude or concentration camp (or a prison) were no clothings is allowed to be used to cover up.

When we came to the Lord there were also "habits" (sins) that took time to be abandoned.

 

[secularhermit]

So where was the letter,where did he leave it and did he ever get it back,,does the bible tell us?,,,,

Could I be stoned and killed is not "following" the rules?

That also happends when I´m attending a church wearing shorts or a cap on... If I don´t look like the way they wanted me to be, I´m at risks and this are several sorts of rejection.

Pete was aware of those risks! Same way when he denied Jesus.

 

[iamsoandso]

So where was the letter,where did he leave it and did he ever get it back,,does the bible tell us?,,,,

I'll cut to the chase,,,,see(2nd timothy 4;13) and match it together with (acts 16;8),,,he left his "cloak,books and parchments) in "TROAS" IN ACTS 16;8",,,, this is why Luke could quote it,,because in acts 16;10 is where he shifts to the "first person personal pronoun,,we,us",,,,AND PROVES HE FROM THIS POINT HAS EYEWITNESS KNOWLEDGE OF IT",,,,,

 

[chubbena]

An yet is still being missed?

Unfortunately some hold on to it and believe it's the whole picture

 

[chubbena]

acts 16;4 paul and Silas has it,,,then compare to Galatians ch.2

Do you have a somewhat detailed timeline of Paul's ministry? I'm always bothered by the discrepancies between what's recorded in Acts and what he said in the letter to the Galatians. Thanks

 

[secularhermit]

One thing I started to believe:

No further "revelation" could be brigther than Jesus´, the one who was particularly sent.

The rest I take with a grain of salt!

 

[iamsoandso]

Do you have a somewhat detailed timeline of Paul's ministry? I'm always bothered by the discrepancies between what's recorded in Acts and what he said in the letter to the Galatians. Thanks

what are the discrepancies you see?,,,,

 

[chubbena]

Acts9:26-28 When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but theywere all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple.But Barnabas took him and brought him tothe apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and thatthe Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly inthe name of Jesus. So Saulstayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in thename of the Lord.

Acts 12:25 WhenBarnabas and Saul had finished their mission, they returned from(or to) Jerusalem, taking with them John,also called Mark.

Galatians 1:17 I did not go up to Jerusalemto see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later Ireturned to Damascus.

Galatians 1:18-19 Then after threeyears, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with himfifteen days.I saw none of the other apostles—only James, theLord’s brother.

Acts 9 indicated he went to Jerusalem shortly after the conversion but Galatians 1 he said he didn’t until 3 years afterwards.

Acts 15:1-2 Certain people came downfrom Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you arecircumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”This brought Paul and Barnabas intosharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, alongwith some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and eldersabout this question.

Galatians 2:1-2 Then after fourteen years, I went upagain to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and,meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them thegospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not runningand had not been running my race in vain.

Did Acts 15 and Galatians 2 record the same visit?

 

[iamsoandso]

Acts 9 indicated he went to Jerusalem shortly after the conversion but Galatians 1 he said he didn’t until 3 years afterwards.


Did Acts 15 and Galatians 2 record the same visit?

This as it seems might very well be affected by the addition of chapter and verses being added at a later time(lol) why I say that is in chapter 11;25(acts) Barnabas goes to seek Paul and go as far as Antioch,,,then in the same chapter there is a drought(acts 11;28) and Barnabas and Paul are sent with supplies/relief in acts (11;30),,and then they returned to Antioch (acts 13;1),,,

Now the end of what Luke is speaking of in (acts 12;1-24) ends in verse 24,,verse 25 of ch. 12 is speaking of Barnabas and paul returning from delivering relief from the drought(acts 11;28-30) ,,,

So Paul is reciting the first time he went to Judea(to deliver relief) with Barnabas this is when he saw Peter and James "the lords brother",,at the same time James "johns brother" was killed (acts 12;2) ,,,Then after this Paul and Barnabas went back to Jerusalem again (acts 15/Galatians 2,1-2) and this time he saw and was seen by all the apostles,elders brethren.

Also I think this is a good indicator of the time-line of the writing of Galatians because he also went to Jerusalem and saw James and the brethren(but not with Barnabas) so the third time was after they went different directions(as we knew already),,

 

[iamsoandso]

Acts 9 indicated he went to Jerusalem shortly after the conversion but Galatians 1 he said he didn’t until 3 years afterwards.


Did Acts 15 and Galatians 2 record the same visit?

you know I'm glad you pointed this part about about the discrepancy of acts 9 and Galatians 2. At first it seems to be one way but then if it is resolved by thinking acts 15 is the second visit then acts 9 is different from what Paul is stating. So since we spoke of it I have been researching it more in depth and as we discussed in the first 2 pages of the thread we both agreed that the letter(you've got mail/o.p.) is probably the oldest(or one of the first of the)Epistles,I (no longer) think this is so,in fact it might well be provable that the letter to the Galatians was written (before the decree at Jerusalem),,maybe a year before or just months before.

The events in (Acts 12;23),Herod's death was in ad44 Herod Agrippa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ,,but in (acts 11;28) "the dearth/drought/famine" in the days of Claudius Cesar(acts 11;28) Claudius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Jan. 24,ad41),so acts 9;27 is his first visit then acts 11;30 is his second visit,,then acts 15 is his 3rd(but had not taken place yet so is not in Galatians at the time it was written),that is he said "up by Revelations" is of the "dearth" in (acts 11;27-30) is the revaluation.

So if Paul is reciting his mathematics in Galatians 1and 2 from his conversion then 17 years from ad44 is ad27 one year after Pontius palate began to rule Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (it is in the chronology) but the time span Paul is beginning from is his conversion(1st cor.15;8) and not the Crucifixion,so it is after this point(unknown time),,and before his second trip to Jerusalem in (acts 11),,,So if the (letter/decree at Jerusalem) was written in ad50 the difference between ad44(Herod's death,acts 12;23) and acts 15 is 6years,so the epistle to the Galatians was written between the death of Herod and the decree(o.p.) and so the remainder from acts 12-13 to acts 15 is a 6 year period of time.

here is a link "pdf" that is very interesting it discusses the issue of the controversy of acts 9 and Galatians mathmatics from several different views http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/37/37-1/JETS_37-1_055-068_Morgado.pdf and also there are others on the www but the differing mathematics are resolved if instead "thinking the council in acts 15 is the 2nd visit of Paul if it is the 3rd,and that the letter of the apostles,elders,brethren(o.p.) was issued (after) Galatians was written.