HADES

Webers.Home · Jul 3, 2021

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Hello, and welcome to a lengthy commentary related to the afterlife.

Please regard the purpose of this thread. It's not a forum, it's a blog; so I
ask that viewers restrain their urge to disrupt the flow of my material with
apologetics, error-spotting, discussions, and/or debating, etc.

NOTE: The numbers and comments herein should not be taken to be 100%
fact, rather, taken as approximations, speculation, conjecture, and opinion.

Thank You.
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Webers.Home · Jul 3, 2021

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all
matters pertaining to the afterlife; the majority of the world's responsible
souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other
side.

• Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching,
and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there
few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait
gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

• Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

• Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but
indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to,
only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with
me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of July 03, 2021 @ 10:55 am New
York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately
332,483,728 with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds;
which translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races,
and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths
were under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of
the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum
percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,669 American adults
transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per
hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think:
by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones
minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the
netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,669 condemned souls per 332,483,728 population:
computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently
estimated global population of 7,773,415,024 people, would suggest
something like 62,400 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld
every 24 hours; which translates to roughly 2,600 souls every sixty minutes
on the clock.

Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,600
souls per hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 20 hours and 52
minutes. In other words: by 02:52 am tonight the stadium's seats would be
maxed if the world's daily number of condemned souls started filing into the
stadium at 06:00 am this morning.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on
those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to
12.2% higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Wall Street crashes, massive
layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis,
earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and
soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened
species, the price of oil, election fraud, pipelines, student debt, GMO, trade
deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's nukes, Federal debt,
factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil
wars, Covid-19, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS,
LGBT marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or former US
President Donald Trump's second impeachment.

If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is
correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in
an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers
passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to
Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A,
KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and
restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The
slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Webers.Home · Jul 4, 2021

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Through me; the way to the eternal city.
Through me; the way to eternal sadness.
Through me; the way to lost people.

Justice moved my supreme maker:
I was shaped by divine power,
By highest wisdom, and by primal love.

Before me, nothing was created
That is not eternal: and eternally I endure.
Abandon all hope, you that enter here.
The Divine Comedy
Inferno: canto 3, v.1-9
by Dante Alighieri

Dante's poetic epic is called a comedy because it has a happy ending as
opposed to a tragedy; at least for Dante anyway. The souls he and Virgil
pass along the way through the Inferno portion of Dante's odyssey will
never, nor anon, have a happy ending; hence the sign above the entrance:
"Abandon all hope, you that enter here."

Webster's defines "despair' as: to no longer have any hope or belief that a
situation will improve or change. Well; down in the Inferno section of
Dante's concept, despair is a way of life. It's likely not much different in the
real inferno.

When people first arrive, no doubt they start asking around to find out
how long they have to stay there. It must be very devastating to encounter
folk who've been languishing in the fiery region of the netherworld since
practically the dawn of Man.
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Webers.Home · Jul 5, 2021

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Famed rock guitarist Eddie Van Halen passed away just a few months ago.
He was a Roman Catholic. I was one myself for 24 years, so I can say from
personal experience, that it's not easy to get into heaven via that version of
Christianity.

Well; if perchance Eddie failed to make the cut (not saying he didn't; only
saying "if perchance") then he will never again be allowed to even so much
as see a guitar let alone pick one up with his hands.

Can you imagine a talented, pioneering musician like Eddie never again
allowed to do the one thing in life that he loved the most? I mean never
again like as in permanently.

Hell is bad enough for ordinary folk; it must be doubly miserable for creative
people: the poets, the painters, the sculptors, the architects, the fashion
designers, the authors, the choreographers, the gourmet cooks, the
engineers, the scientific geniuses, the explorers, et al.

FYI: According to Luke 16:19-31, people in the netherworld worry about
their surviving relatives . Well; Eddie's ex wife Valerie Bertinelli was raised a
Roman Catholic too. I've no doubt that if perchance Eddie is down there,
he's wishing there were some way to contact Vallerie and let her know
where he is lest she follow him right down there.

» Valerie loves to cook. Well; if perchance Eddie's ex ends up down there;
she'll have access to enough heat for cooking, but of course no ingredients
to work with.
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Webers.Home · Jul 6, 2021

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Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall
Stealing through the dark of night
Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
Checking to the left and the right
Picking up the pieces, putting them away
Something doesn't feel quite right

Help me someone, let me out of here
Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Coming out the woodwork, through the open door
Pushing from above and below
Shadows without substance, in the shape of men
Round and down and sideways they go
Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
Then as one they sign and they moan

Help us someone, let us out of here
Living here so long undisturbed
Dreaming of the time we were free
So many years ago
Before the time when we first heard
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down, sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you

Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
Things that go to make up a life
Endless days of summer longer nights of gloom
Waiting for the morning light
Scenes of unimportance like photos in a frame
Things that go to make up a life

Help us someone, let us out of here
Living here so long undisturbed
Dreaming of the time we were free
So many years ago
Before the time when we first heard
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down, sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you

Sit down sit down
Cause you won't get away
So with us you will stay
For the rest of your days. so sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you
Home By The Sea
Genesis, 1983
Phil Collins, Tony Banks, & Mike Rutherford

The lyrics of that song are useful for depicting how one of the few thing that
some people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell
each other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell
about their lives down there since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non
sequitur in that place. Nobody has a life; nor any hope of getting one.

HADES UPDATE: 3 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the
figures in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 187,200 new
arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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Webers.Home · Jul 7, 2021

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• Ps 146:3-4 . . Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom
there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that
very day his thoughts perish.

Some people honestly believe the passage above teaches that people cease
to exist when they pass away; but were their belief true, then Christ
would've ceased to exist when he passed away on the cross and in order to
restore the Lord's body back to life, it would've necessary to create him back
to existence. No; I'm pretty sure it's saying something very different. It's not
talking about consciousness. Here's a much better way to say it.

"When their breathing stops, they return to the earth, and in a moment all
their plans come to an end."

Consider all those people who perished in the World Trade Center, in the
Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti earthquake. None of them
woke that day planning on it being their last on earth. No, on the contrary;
they had people to see, places to go, and things to do: but before the day
ended; whatever was on their minds lost its importance-- their priorities
went right out the window and became no more significant than green
cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their
schemes, their problems, their aspirations, and their loves went right down
the tubes as they were suddenly confronted with a whole new reality to cope
with.

While preparing for a new world tour, Michael Jackson died in his sleep. As a
result; his tour wrapped on the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison; he quit drinking, and
began going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½
years all went well. His parole officer was happy, and my nephew was on
track and getting good grades. His future looked assured. And then on the
morning of Sept 25, 2015, he dropped dead to the floor of natural causes.
As a result; his college education, and his hope to become a counselor,
dropped dead to the floor right with him.
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Webers.Home · Jul 8, 2021

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Saturday, June 27, 2010, a 6-month-old baby girl was killed and her mother
seriously injured when the pair were struck by a falling tree branch in New
York City's Central Park Zoo. The girl's father was taking their picture near
the sea lion exhibit when a branch above them suddenly snapped off and
fell.

Tuesday, July 3, 2007; nineteen year-old Ramiro Gonzalez was returning
home to Nyssa Oregon from a week-end honeymoon in northern California
with his bride Idalia asleep in the back seat when their 1997 Pontiac Grand
Am hit a cow twenty miles east of Burns. The Pontiac went off the road,
through a fence, and burst into flames. Idalia escaped with only minor
injuries, but Ramiro died at the Ste. Charles Medical Center in Bend the very
next day.

Ramiro and his bride didn't get to live in a home of their own for even one
single minute of their marriage-- never had a baby, never joined the PTA,
never saved for college, never went to ballet lessons, nor to soccer or little
league, never went on family picnics, never took home movies and photos at
Christmas, Easter, or birthdays, never went to the beach and built sand
castles --no, their entire future, and all their dreams of family life, were
shattered in an instant by a lame-brained bovine; and Ramiro wasn't even
20 years old yet. He could've lived another fifty years.

March 20, 2008; fifty-seven year old Judy Kay Zagorski, of Pigeon, Michigan,
was sitting in the front seat of her father's boat going 25 knots on the
Atlantic Ocean side of Vaca Key in Florida, when a Spotted Eagle Ray, with a
wingspan of 5 to 6 feet; leaped up out of the water-- for who knows what
reason --and collided with Zagorski, knocking her backwards onto the deck
of the boat. She died from the impact. Judy's sister, standing next to her,
wasn't injured.

On a November morning in 1998, Alan Pakula climbed into his Volvo station
wagon and began the 100-mile drive from Manhattan to his Long Island
house. The acclaimed movie director of Sophie's Choice, All The President's
Men, and The Pelican Brief, had made that trip countless times with no
incident.

As the 70 year-old Pakula neared exit 49 on the Long Island Expressway just
before noon, the tires of a vehicle ahead of him flipped a 7-foot piece of
steel rod into the air. Within seconds, the rod shot through Pakula's
windshield, smashing into his forehead, killing him almost instantly.

Death often comes when people least expect it. As a rule, they don't usually
get up in the morning planning it to be their last day on earth. The 169,752
killed, and 127,294 listed as missing in more than eleven countries by the
tsunami of 2004, were taken by surprise, and given no warning it was to be
their last day on earth.

The 2,829 people who perished in a terrorist attack on the World Trade
Center on September 11, 2001, and the 189 who died in the Pentagon,
didn't go in to work expecting their lives to end before lunch that day. No,
people's lives often end while they still have obligations and commitments,
aspirations, things to do, places to go, and people to see; when a car
accident, train wreck, act of nature, plane crash, crime, heart attack, or
stroke puts an abrupt end to every plan they ever made.

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010, a 7.0 earthquake struck Port au Prince Haiti right out
of the blue subsequently causing the loss of more than 200,000 lives. A
similar act of nature on March 11, 2011, left 25,000 dead and/or missing in
Japan.

Okeechobee woman Dawn Johnston, 38, was killed Wednesday June 30,
2010 after part of a portable toilet crashed through her car's windshield.
Dawn was driving south on SR 15 shortly after 11 a.m. when two portable
toilets fell from the trailer of a pickup truck traveling north,. The portable
toilets shattered when they hit the road, and a piece of one of them crashed
through the woman's windshield, striking her. Johnston's car then veered off
the road and collided with a tree.

A rain-saturated hillside above the Stillaguamish River on the outskirts of the
rural town of Oso in the State of Washington gave way March 22, 2014
leaving behind a current death toll of 41 souls. The landslide happened to
suddenly and so rapidly that nobody saw it coming and/or had the slightest
chance of getting out of the way. Listed among the dead and missing was a
four-month old infant.

Freak incidents like those listed above can happen to anybody in the form of
a stray bullet from a drive-by, lightening strike, gas explosion, choking on a
piece of meat, electrocution, earthquake, a drunk driver, a fall in the bath
tub; bricks dropped from an overpass, a school shooting, or any number of
out-of-the-blue surprises.

Because of the uncertainty of tomorrow, people need to start thinking about
the afterlife today, while they have the chance; rather than risk being
caught off guard by sudden death when there will be no time to think; and
they find themselves suddenly thrust into the unseen world unprepared.

• Ecc 9:12 . . No man knows when his hour will come: as fish are caught in
a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare, so men are trapped by evil times
that fall unexpectedly upon them.
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Webers.Home · Jul 9, 2021

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According to Matt 10:28, the body and the soul are perishable. However;
though the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by
divine means; i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily
simultaneous, viz: the soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give
it either a thumb up or a thumb down.

HADES UPDATE: 6 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 374,400 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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Webers.Home · Jul 10, 2021

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• Mark 9:47-48 . . If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It is better to
enter the kingdom of God half blind than to have two eyes and be thrown
into hell; where the worm never dies and the fire never goes out.

The "hell" in that passage is a different Greek word than the "hell" of Luke
16:19 31. That one is haides (hah'-dace) which is an afterlife sphere where
all the dead go; both the good dead and the bad dead regardless of age,
race, color, gender or religious preference. This word here in Mark is geena
(gheh'-en-nah) which is where only the bad dead will end up some day:
likely the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15

Anyway; Christ's instructions didn't reveal anything new. He simply
reiterated information that had already been released by an Old Testament
prophet roughly 700 years before.

• Isa 66:22-24 . . From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to
another, all mankind will come and bow down before me-- speaks the Lord.
And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled
against Me: their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they
will be loathsome to all mankind.

That rather ghastly scene depicts a sort of tourist attraction similar to the La
Brea Tar Pits museum in Los Angeles where the remains of prehistoric
creatures, excavated from ancient asphalt deposits, are on display.

A worm that thrives in brimstone is pretty amazing, but not unreasonable.
The 4 inch Pompeii worm lives in sea water temperatures of 176°
Fahrenheit; hot enough to kill salmonella and sanitize an egg. So I guess if
God could create a worm like the Pompeii, it shouldn't be too difficult for Him
to create worms that like it even warmer.

FAQ: The human body is organic. So then, how can it survive the heat as
perpetual nourishment for those worms?

A: The laws of nature are not absolute. They were created in the first
chapter of Genesis to control the behavior of created matter, and as such
are easily manipulated by the one who designed them.

For example: fire totally incinerated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah but
left unscathed a desert shrub that Moses encountered in the Sinai outback
while tending his father-in-law's sheep. (Ex 3:1-3)

Compare Dan 3:8-27 where a blistering hot fire didn't even so much as
singe the clothing of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego while slaying the
guards that threw them in the furnace.

FAQ: Won't the worms eventually exhaust their food supply?

A: There are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food stuffs were
miraculously multiplied. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a tiny bit of
flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son, for a good
many days during a time of prolonged drought.

Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and
left her deeply in debt. God multiplied her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell
enough to pay off her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.

No; I'm pretty sure those worms won't need to worry about running out of
human remains with which to sustain themselves.
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Webers.Home · Jul 11, 2021

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• Ecc 1:2-4 . . Meaningless! Futile! complains the Teacher. Utterly
meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What does a man gain from all his
labor at which he toils under the sun? Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.

The earth is dumber than a spatula; yet easily outlives its human potentate
whose IQ is infinitely greater. Take for example the great granite
monuments in Yosemite Valley. Tourists to the valley come, and tourists to
the valley go; and one day the grim reaper catches up with those tourists
and they're gone; yet Yosemite's great stones abide decade after decade;
century after century.

Most children born this day will be dead in 100 years-- many before 75
--Yosemite won't even notice. Though a child born today may be intelligent
enough to eventually understand quantum mechanics and play classical
guitar like Andrés Segovia; yet Yosemite's sentinels-- stupid, mute, and
uneducated --will easily outlast it.

• Ecc 2:15-16 . . I thought in my heart: The fate of the fool will overtake me
also. What then do I gain by being wise? I said in my heart: This is
meaningless. For the wise man, like the fool, will not be long remembered--
in days to come both will be forgotten. Like the fool, the wise man too must
die.
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Webers.Home · Jul 12, 2021

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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In
stockyards, they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other
animals to specific pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the
biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.

The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted
in red and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral
goats, allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them.
The red paint marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know
which one not to shoot.

You know what can be even worse than ending up on the wrong side of
Hades? Your own children following you there: and they trusted you.

Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess
it's plausible.

A farmer went out to the barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to sneak
a pull from his secret liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard
something behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming
towards him. In amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to
find his way out to the barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I.
walked in your footprints.

One can only imagine the anguish that parents in the netherworld must feel
knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in an ideology that led
them down a road to the infernal regions and all the while sincerely believing
themselves doing the right thing. In other words: they actually Judas-goated
their children to follow mom and dad down there. For some families, the
only thing they have to look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire
and despair.

HADES UPDATE: 09 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 561,600 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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Webers.Home · Jul 13, 2021

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• Eph 1:4-5 . .He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, that
we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to
adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,

Predestination isn't random; it's typically always the consequence of
foreknowledge. In other words: God has always known, from the very
beginning, by means of precognition, who will, and who won't, come to faith
in His son. And seeing as how He had that information at hand early on,
then it was safe and practical to go ahead and establish their adoption in
advance seeing as how it's a sure thing.

When I was old enough to do some of my own thinking; I asked my mother
this question: If God already knows everything that I will ever think, say, or
do my whole life; then how do I have free will?

Mom was stumped; she didn't know.

Well, the thing is, as I found out later; by means of precognition God already
knows everything that I will ever think, say, or do my whole life but that
doesn't mean that my entire life is all programmed like a script or a
screenplay for me to act out.

I'd not be surprised if God has groaned within Himself numerous times as He
watched me make one mistake after another, and commit sin after sin in
thought, word, and deed. But at least God has the comfort of knowing that
my blundering is temporary. Once my regeneration is complete, I'll be
someone that the Father can be proud of.

• Rom 8:29 . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of His son.
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Webers.Home · Jul 14, 2021

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• Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said: Son, remember

I should think that one of the negative aspects of perdition is recall. How
people down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind
with their corpse, I don't know. Apparently God has some sort of file transfer
protocol that silicon valley has yet to discover.

The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, people down below not
only have to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and
I should think it's remembering the good things they enjoyed in life-- that
they will never enjoy again --makes their situation only worse in the heat.
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Webers.Home · Jul 15, 2021

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• Gen 6:5 . . God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually.

The thoughts of the heart are somewhat different than the thoughts that go
through the mind; and are often blocked out, viz: "repressed"; defined as a
mental process by which distressing thoughts, memories, or impulses that
may give rise to anxiety are excluded from consciousness and left to operate
in the unconscious, i.e. the subconscious which, in Freud's opinion, is a
repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic
memories, and painful emotions.

• Matt 15:19 . . Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your
core of your inner being works that really defines you; and a man's core is
easily capable of hoodwinking his own consciousness.

• Jer 17:9 . .The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who
really knows how bad it is?

God is able to peer into the heart's contents. That means He will be
confronting people with things about themselves that they suppressed and
kept under wraps all their lives; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool
would take their chances with God. They have no clue the extent of the
psychological tsunami they're walking into.

HADES UPDATE: 12 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 748,800 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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Webers.Home · Jul 16, 2021

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There was a time when everyone went to the netherworld when they passed
away: Jesus too because when he passed away on the cross; Jesus didn't go
up, rather, he went down. (Matt 12:40, John 20:17, Acts 7:25-31).

When we take into consideration everybody who ever lived and died on this
planet beginning with Adam until the day when people started going to
heaven; then we're talking about a very large number of people. How did
they all fit in the netherworld without overcrowding?

Well; it's evident that people exist in the afterlife as disembodied spirits.
(Heb 12:22-23, 1Pet 3:18-20)

The feral man of Mark 5:1-13 and Luke 8:26-33 was possessed by a
community of evil spirits who labeled themselves Legion. Webster's defines a
legion as the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3,000 to 6,000
foot soldiers with cavalry.

The legion of spirits that Christ exorcised from the man went out and
possessed a herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty good example of how
spirits take up no room in the physical world; nor do they crowd each other.
All 3,000-6,000 of those spirits managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of
just that one man.

That being the case, then the netherworld need not be a void. People can
exist down there in solid rock because spirits don't need space, they just
need a place.

NOTE: Any attempt to drill down to the heart of the Earth in search of the
netherworld would likely be futile because it isn't a physical world, rather,
it's a supernatural world. Drilling could, and would, pass right through the
very center of the netherworld and still not find it.
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Webers.Home · Jul 17, 2021

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OBJECTION: Hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment
people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

RESPONSE: I fully agree that it makes no sense at all. But then human
sensibilities are produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue; and
not even all three of those pounds are devoted to cognitive processes. On
top of that, those three pounds are 60% fat. That fatty, flabby, organic
tissue can alter one's personality with little more than an aneurism or a blow
to the head.

Just how sensible can a fatty, flabby, organic sense really be compared to
the sense of a supernatural being with enough intelligence to invent, design,
and construct a fully functioning cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter,
and energy? A fatty, flabby, organic sense isn't even a dunce in comparison:
it's a sub dunce; if even that.

• 1Cor 3:20 . .The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are empty.

Well; that's certainly not a very flattering evaluation. It's as much as saying
that, in God's opinion, the smartest among humanity basically consists of air
heads; and if that's His evaluation of the best and brightest, then where
does God rank those of us with an average IQ?
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Webers.Home · Jul 18, 2021

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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

• Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and
fierce anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is 'ebrah (eb-raw') which
indicates an outburst of passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be
weeping big wet crocodile tears while it's slamming the dead at the Great
White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be terminated
with extreme prejudice; viz: their judgment will be administered with choler.
(cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals
that inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in
attack. Ferocity is an aspect commonly seen among roaring, snarling lions
savagely attacking prey. There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in
ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality, and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of
humane feelings

• Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It
speaks of someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're
actually red in the face.

There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so
coddled by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the
magnitude of the lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to
get them.

Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to
administer it-- none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

• John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment
to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

• Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with
justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men
by raising him from the dead.

• Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the
winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

HADES UPDATE: 15 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 936,000 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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Webers.Home · Jul 19, 2021

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• 2Thess 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should
believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the
truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its
reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure
that a certain category of people have no chance whatsoever to be spared
the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked
and poked fun at him as if he were a deranged soul going around with a
sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain
started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to
open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The
hatch of the ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on
earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

• Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

• Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the
key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can
open.
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Webers.Home · Jul 21, 2021

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A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go right on sinning same as before
they were forgiven unless they undergo a radical re-design because human
nature is intrinsically bad.

• Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had
become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
all the time.

• Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from
childhood.

• Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?
Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

• Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

• John 3:7 . .You should not be surprised at my saying: you must be born
again.
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Webers.Home · Jul 22, 2021

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• Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

This appears to address everything, anything, and everybody pertaining to,
capable of, and/or categorized as Death; as opposed to everything,
anything, and everybody pertaining to, capable of, and/or categorized as
Life.

Death is usually thought of as an abstract, but I think that some aspects of it
are tangible; or how else could Death be hurled as if it were a baseball or
bounced like an unruly nightclub patron.

The sphere of Death is apparently much larger, far more encompassing, and
a bit more complex, than meets the eye.

HADES UPDATE: 19 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,185,600 new arrivals
have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since July 03, 2021.
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