Having A Go At Genesis

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Gen 41:25a . .Then Joseph said to Pharaoh:

Note Joseph's quick response time. He didn't even go off and pray about it
and wait for an answer from God-- no; he hopped right to it. Seeing as how
Genesis doesn't say that God whispered inside Joseph's head, or spoke to
him by an audible dictation that only Joseph's own ears could hear; then I
think it safe to assume that God gave Joseph the interpretation of those
dreams by means of his own intuition so that Joseph knew what they meant
without even having to think about it.

Divine inspiration is very subtle at times and pretty amazing too. Back in the
early days of Christianity, certain individuals were supernaturally enabled
with a variety of useful skills and abilities; e.g. Rom 12:5-8 and 1Cor 12:1
11. Compare those passages with Exodus 31:1-6.

Gen 41:25b-32 . . Both dreams mean the same thing. God was telling you
what he is about to do. The seven fat cows and the seven plump heads of
grain both represent seven years of prosperity. The seven thin, ugly cows
and the seven withered heads of grain represent seven years of famine. This
will happen just as I have described it, for God has shown you what he is
about to do.

. . .The next seven years will be a period of great prosperity throughout the
land of Egypt. But afterward there will be seven years of famine so great
that all the prosperity will be forgotten and wiped out. Famine will destroy
the land. This famine will be so terrible that even the memory of the good
years will be erased. As for having the dream twice, it means that the
matter has been decreed by God and that he will make these events happen
soon.

The "twice" method was first seen in Gen 37:5-11. Peter's vision (Acts 10:9
17) was the same one three times over, while Joseph's and Pharaoh's two
dreams apiece were redundant, indicating that God meant business and
wasn't going to change His mind regarding this matter. You know though,
with some people, no matter how many times, or in how many ways, you try
to tell them something, they refuse to listen; like when a girl keeps saying
NO to a boy's advances and he just keeps coming on anyway because for
some strange reason the boy thinks she doesn't mean it; and he's somehow
convinced that her protests aren't serious.

Everybody accepted Joseph's interpretation without question-- Pharaoh and
all the magicians and wise men (Gen 41:37) --and that is pretty amazing in
itself.

Suppose you were President Obama in San Diego for a one-night campaign
fund raiser and a Secret Service agent assigned to protect the President said
he heard that the Border Patrol had an illegal immigrant from Sinaloa in
custody for rape down in San Ysidro who says he knows exactly how to
balance the Federal budget, stop processed food from poisoning Americans,
eradicate genetically engineered crops, solve all your problems with Iran and
North Korea, and get America out of Afghanistan. Would you be interested? I
don't think so; you'd have to be pretty desperate.

I believe that while Pharaoh and his corps of geniuses were listening to
Joseph's interpretation, God was doing a number on their minds so that they
would accept what Joseph was telling them; and by the time he finished,
they were amazed that they hadn't thought of the interpretation themselves
because it seemed not only quite simple, and obviously true; but also the
only possible explanation.

God wasn't bringing all these things to pass for the purpose of embarrassing
or of dethroning the king of Egypt (not this one anyway). As a matter of
fact, Pharaoh's control over the country would be strengthened by these
events. The underlying purpose of it all had to do rather with God's plans
and purposes for the people of Israel. Therefore, not only did God give
Pharaoh the dreams, and give Joseph the true interpretation of the dreams,
but also provided an effective action plan for Egypt's survival.

People often complain that they can't respect a hell-fire God because He only
uses the threat of eternal suffering as coercion to get people in line. But the
Bible's talk of hell and eternal suffering isn't meant to intimidate people. No,
it's just like Pharaoh's dreams: talk of hell and eternal suffering is meant as
an early warning of things to come-- inevitable things.

A Danger Foreseen;
Is Half-Avoided.
(Cheyenne Proverb)
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Gen 41:33-36 . . Now therefore I suggest Pharaoh look out a man discreet
and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt. Let Pharaoh do this, and let
him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of
Egypt in the seven plenteous years.

. . . And have them gather all the food of those good years that come, and
lay up grain under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities.
And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of
famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt; that the land perish not through
the famine.

A grain czar "wise and discreet" was necessary so that the man appointed
wouldn't be tempted to profit from his own country's misfortune like so
many of Wall Street's psychopathic barracudas are wont to do. Thank God
Pharaoh had the cool to realize that what his country faced was not just long
lines at the gas pumps, but nothing less than a full blown national
emergency.

On the other hand, a central bureaucracy could easily lead to despotism, red
tape, favoritism, cronyism, nepotism, corruption, payoffs, bribes, artificial
shortages, black marketing, and political manipulation; especially if all the
available food supplies were in the hands of self-serving corporations like
ENRON, Monsanto, Bechtel, and Nestlé.

The success of Joseph's plan relied heavily upon the integrity of its
administrator. The right man would be a savior; the wrong man could
become a tyrant; and if the top man was a crook, everybody under him
could be expected to be crooked too, and instead of a program intended to
help the poor, it would only serve as a golden opportunity to line the pockets
of officials like Indian Agents of the old west who embezzled Native
Americans out of thousands of dollars worth of food, tools, livestock,
implements, shelter, and clothing.

It's been shown by historians that tithing was practiced in ancient Egypt and
other nations, as a form of taxes or tribute to the king; but a 20 percent levy
would be very unusual, and might well be resisted, especially if enacted by
an unpopular sovereign. Thus, the chief administrator of Joseph's plan would
have to be skilled in diplomacy and persuasion: a veritable expert on how to
win friends and influence people.

Actually, the 20 percent wasn't a hardship. Egypt's agricultural production
was so good that no doubt at least 20 percent went to waste anyway even
after all the people were satisfied and Egypt's export commitments were
fulfilled. (Here in the USA, we waste upwards of 40% of our annual
purchases of food)

Some citizens might gripe at first, but it's hard to feel deprived when things
are going good. The seven years of plenty would be a time of bumper crops
and overabundance; and heck, you could give the children's food to the dogs
and not hurt them. The only real malcontents in Egypt would be people who
are never happy about anything anyway.

Americans themselves have so much left over that there's enough perfectly
good food thrown out in the dumpsters behind super markets and fast food
chains like Wendy's, Carl's Jr, Subway, McDonalds. Arby's, Taco Bell,
Kentucky Fried Chicken, and Burger King to easily feed every homeless
person in the USA three meals a day. And that's not even counting all the
other restaurants and food courts that are tossing out literally tons of edible
garbage every hour of the business day.

Although someone might get the wrong impression, there was really no
indication in Joseph's presentation that he was throwing his hat in the ring.
Such a thought could hardly have crossed his sheep-herder's mind. The last
thing Joseph wanted was a long-term commitment to Federal employment in
a foreign country when the only thing on his mind was getting back home to
his dad in Hebron.

Joseph was not only an alien, but a slave; and a jailbird accused of rape. He
had never held a political office of any kind whatsoever. His only experience
in business management was the oversight of Potiphar's household affairs;
nor had he any experience in either running or participating in a bureaucracy
of the magnitude of which he spoke.

But there are people like Joseph who have a God-given natural aptitude in
certain areas. They don't need training and they don't need experience.
They're like some combat platoon sergeants who, when you throw them into
the mouths of canons, don't panic and don't get flustered. They perform like
they've been doing that sort of thing all their lives.

Joseph probably wasn't aware that he had a God-given knack for running a
big show like a national food bank. But God was, and that's exactly why He's
going to persuade the top brass to put His own man in charge because the
very survival of the people of Israel heavily depends upon an effective
contingency to meet those inevitable seven years of famine; and even after
the famine ended, there would still yet be a time of recovery before Egypt
got back up to speed.
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Gen 41:37-38 . . Joseph's suggestions were well received by Pharaoh and
his advisers. And Pharaoh said to his courtiers: Could we find another like
him, a man in whom is the spirit of the gods?

If there was one thing those old-time pagans valued, it was a connection to
the spirit world, and they sensed that Joseph had it. I think they were not
only in awe of him, but maybe even just a bit afraid of him too.

The Hebrew word for "gods" is 'elohiym (el-o-heem') which is both plural
and ambiguous, so you could just as easily translate it gods as God; but in
the Egypt of that day and age, "gods" makes more sense.

Joseph is going to become very popular with Pharaoh, and it's all to the one
true god's credit.

"God was with him . . . and granted him favor and wisdom in the sight of
Pharaoh, king of Egypt." (Acts 7:9-10)

The Greek word for "favor" in that verse is charis (khar'-ece) which is the
very word translated "grace" in English versions of the New Testament. So
then, you could say that Joseph found grace in the eyes of Pharaoh just like
Noah found grace in the eyes of God back in Gen 6:8.

Putting it all together, it says that Pharaoh was inclined to bless Joseph just
like God was inclined to bless Noah; viz: to do good for him; provide for him,
and protect him from harm. God trusted Noah, and assigned him the
Herculean task of building the ark. Pharaoh trusted Joseph, and assigned
him the Herculean task of implementing a plan to save his country from
certain ruin. Noah's ark kept the human race alive. Joseph's plan kept the
Egyptians alive (and his family too). Quite a few parallels in Noah and
Joseph.

But in order for Joseph's plan to work, he had to have absolute power in the
country of Egypt. Everybody had to fear him so they'd be sure to cooperate.

Gen 41:39-43 . .Then Pharaoh said to Joseph; Since God has made all this
known to you, there is no one so discerning and wise as you. You shall be in
charge of my palace, and all my people are to submit to your orders. Only
with respect to the throne will I be greater than you. So Pharaoh said to
Joseph; I hereby put you in charge of the whole land of Egypt.

. . .Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph's
finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his
neck. He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command, and men
shouted before him, "Make way!" Thus he put him in charge of the whole
land of Egypt.

Pharaoh's signet ring was for signing documents and authorizing whatever
purchases and requisitions Joseph might need to fulfill his duties; and for
mustering and/or conscripting the necessary manpower to get it all done.
That signet ring was terrifying. With it, Joseph could actually order people
gibbeted if he wanted and nobody would question it. (Hag 2:20-23)

Gen 41:44 . . Moreover, Pharaoh said to Joseph; Though I am Pharaoh,
yet without your permission no one shall raise his hand or foot in all the land
of Egypt.

Although Joseph was directly responsible to Pharaoh and to no one else, his
powers were limited. He couldn't wage war or set foreign policy. He had no
say in the balance of trade, or the colonization of foreign lands. There were
other people taking care of those operations. Joseph's jurisdiction for the
moment was related to the task he was assigned, sort of like the head of
homeland security, a drug czar, or a FEMA commander. Joseph's position
was in supreme oversight of Egypt's domestic product.

Gen 41:45a . . Pharaoh then gave Joseph the name Tsophnath Pa'neach,
and he gave him for a wife Asenath daughter of Poti-phera, priest of On.

Tsophnath Pa'neach was an Egyptian name, same as Moses is an Egyptian
name; which reflected Joseph's transition from Palestinian goat-herder to a
naturalized Egyptian citizen; which of course had the effect of emancipating
him from slavery.

Poti-phera is essentially the same name as Joseph's original master:
Potiphar.

The city of On was possibly Heliopolis, a city dedicated to the worship of the
Sun god.

Priests were a highly respected caste in Egypt. Having a father-in-law in the
priesthood secured Joseph a privileged social status appropriate for a man in
his position, and no doubt landed some good connections right in his lap.
There's no record that Joseph protested the marriage, but likely saw it as an
advantage he could exploit.

Joseph's fortunes bring to mind the actor Arnold Schwarzenegger. For years
The Terminator was just a big clunky muscleman; an ex body builder from
Thal bei Graz Austria who made it good in Hollywood, and then one day
found himself Governor of Cah-lee-forn-yah. Mr. Schwarzenegger though, in
contrast to Joseph, is ambitious and worked hard for his success; it wasn't
handed to him on a silver platter like Joseph's, but you kind of get the idea.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, like Joseph, married well too: a Kennedy girl no less.
His marriage to Maria Shriver gave him an in with the Kennedy clan and
access to the speaking and writing skills of an intelligent, widely respected,
female journalist. A few political pundits are pretty sure that Maria's "Women
Joining Arnold" website was responsible for gaining her husband a large
block of female voters in the aftermath of his "groping" accusation. Good
connections are always an asset in the political world.

Everything Pharaoh did for Joseph worked in his favor towards giving him a
highly visible public profile.
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Gen 41:45b-46a . .Thus Joseph emerged in charge of the land of Egypt.
Joseph was thirty years old when he entered the service of Pharaoh king of
Egypt.

Joseph went from slave to aristocrat practically overnight; and with neither
political, nor business experience on his résumé whatsoever.

Gen 41:46b . . Leaving Pharaoh's presence, Joseph traveled through all
the land of Egypt.

That reminds me of how U.S. Presidents fly over disaster areas in a
helicopter to "assess" the situation. Well Joseph didn't have a whirlybird at
his disposal. If he was going to assess Egypt's agricultural assets first hand,
and decide where to strategically locate his granaries, then he would have to
do it in that spiffy government-provided conveyance that came with his job.

Joseph would actually get himself dirty down on the ground on Egypt's
highways, byways, townships, and farmlands, rather than cruising aloft in
the luxury and comfort of an Air Force One and delegating all the leg work to
a corps of go-fers and fact-finders.

Joseph hasn't seen his dad for 13 years now, and if there ever was a golden
opportunity for him to escape and get back to Canaan, this was it. But he
couldn't. Joseph was in a catch-22. If he went back home at this point, the
coming famine might destroy his own family. He had to stay and make sure
Egypt became the world's bread basket so his kin would have somewhere to
go and get food when those seven years of desperate want finally came
along.

True, Pharaoh could just appoint someone else to the task if Joseph deserted
his post, but Joseph couldn't take the chance his replacement wouldn't be a
devil instead of a savior. Sometimes, when you want the job done right, you
just have to do it yourself.

Then too, taking off now might cause Pharaoh to lose confidence in Joseph's
predictions. He might suspect, and who wouldn't, that Joseph made it all up
just so's he could get out of jail. Then Pharaoh would probably cancel any
and all preparations for the years ahead; with tragic consequences. No,
Joseph was stuck.
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Gen 41:47-49 . . During the seven years of abundance the land produced
plentifully. Joseph collected all the food produced in those seven years of
abundance in Egypt and stored it in the cities. In each city he put the food
grown in the fields surrounding it. Joseph stored up huge quantities of grain,
like the sand of the sea; it was so much that he stopped keeping records
because it was beyond measure.

When there's small amounts to work with, it's easy to use small containers
to tally it. But Egypt's abundance was so great that it was impractical to tally
the grain with standard containers. Instead, I would think Joseph did it
simply by building his silos to a standard size and dimension. So, instead of
tallying "bushels" of grain, Joseph simplified the process by tallying silos.

Although storing the grain near the communities where it was grown was a
practical consideration for later distribution, it was also a wise diplomatic
move. When people see their hard-earned things carted off to the unknown,
it makes them nervous about getting their stuff back. Putting his granaries
nearby, reassured local growers and consumers that Joseph meant well by
them and wasn't just taxing their produce for personal profit.

I would like to think that Joseph employed local labor for the construction of
his granaries rather than contracting it out to a global construction company
that polished the apple with him via his father-in-law's contacts; thus once
again showing good faith by injecting wages into local economies. Little by
little, Joseph was gaining the Egyptians' trust, which must have no doubt
pleased Pharaoh well and made him feel pretty good about his choice of man
for the job.

Meanwhile, back on the home front, Joseph's marriage was holding up okay
and he became the father of two boys.

Gen 41:50 . . Before the years of famine came, Joseph became the father
of two sons, whom Asenath daughter of Poti-phera, priest of On, bore to
him.

In the Bible, it's the fathers who determine tribal ancestry; so the two boys
were Hebrews by birth rather than Egyptians. I don't know how Mr. Poti
phera felt about that, but what was he to do? One of the most powerful, if
not the most powerful, monarchs on earth had arranged his daughter's
marriage to Joseph so there really wasn't much he could say about it.

Gen 41:51 . . Joseph named his older son Manasseh, for he said; God has
made me forget all my troubles and the family of my father.

The meaning of Manessah's name in Hebrew is self explanatory. However,
there is just no way that Joseph forgot all about his family. That verse has to
be interpreted according to the progress of the narrative.

I seriously doubt that God deleted Joseph's memory; but rather, helped him
to get over doting about his misfortunes. Doting can lead to serious
psychological damage, dark thoughts, and long term depression, and/or in
the case of anger, it can lead to malice and sleepless nights plotting
revenge, or rehearsing retorts over and over again to counter something
someone said that you didn't like.

Though they weren't ideal, Joseph was at peace with his current
circumstances. Exactly how God brought him to that point isn't stated. But in
chapters ahead, Joseph will inform his brothers that his misfortunes actually
benefited everyone so that Joseph became a savior; not only to Egypt, but
to his own family as well (Gen 45:4-11, Gen 50:20).

So then, in the end, Joseph accepted his plight graciously and held no hard
feelings towards anyone in particular, nor was he blue and sad about being
away from home all those years because he was fully aware it all worked
toward a greater good.

Since Joseph couldn't leave Egypt himself to go home and visit his family,
then one has to wonder why he didn't dispatch a messenger to let his dad
know he was okay. Well; for one thing, to do so would have exposed his
brothers' murderous scheme, and who knows what kind of disharmony that
would have created in Jacob's home. This was one of those cases where it's
better to follow the advice of some Beatles' lyrics; "Words of wisdom: let it
be."

But seriously, I doubt Jacob would have believed it was actually his very own
Joseph in Pharaoh's court but would have automatically assumed it was a
cruel hoax. Later, Joseph is going to be sure that his brothers understand
that they weren't being told second-hand about his prosperity, nor being fed
a rumor; but were hearing about it from their long-lost brother's very own
lips. (Gen 45:12-13)

Gen 41:52 . . Joseph named his second son Ephraim, for he said; God has
made me fruitful in this land of my suffering.

Ephraim's name actually means "doubly fruitful" viz: bumper-crop fruitful;
which is obviously in recognition of God's providence in a place where a man
of God would certainly least expect to find it.

I still think that Joseph had given up all hope of having a normal life and a
family of his own; but as it turns out, he got both anyway in spite of his
unfortunate circumstances. Maybe he'd rather have married a girl back
home, but you know what they say: Beggars can't be choosers. At least
Joseph was no longer a jailed slave locked up as an accused rapist with no
future at all. Asenath and Poti-phera may not have been Joseph's ideal in
laws, but they were acceptable; all things considered.
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Gen 41:53-54 . . At last the seven years of plenty came to an end. Then
the seven years of famine began, just as Joseph had predicted. There were
crop failures in all the surrounding countries, too, but in Egypt there was
plenty of grain in the storehouses.

Joseph had made no mention of the misfortunes of Egypt's neighbors to
Pharaoh. But now comes out the reason for Egypt's incredible over
abundance during the good years. It wasn't meant just to sustain their own
selves that God had so blessed the Egyptians, no, all around them countries
were effected, became desperate, and forced to look outside themselves for
relief.

In order for the countries all around Egypt to experience the famine, it would
mean that they too were experiencing severe reductions in annual rainfall.
Though northern Egypt, around the Nile delta, normally receives very little
rain to begin with, it's agriculture prospers because of heavy rainfalls way
down in Africa that feed tributaries flowing into the Nile; e.g. the Blue Nile.
We're talking about a massive watershed encompassing several thousands
of square miles of Africa's countryside. And that, added to the surrounding
countries, really adds up to an incredibly large geographic area effected by
an unbelievable large-scale drought.

Gen 41:53-56 . .Throughout the land of Egypt the people began to starve.
They pleaded with Pharaoh for food, and he told them; Go to Joseph and do
whatever he tells you. So with severe famine everywhere in the land, Joseph
opened up the storehouses and sold grain to the Egyptians.

Advocates of a welfare state might question Joseph's ethical integrity and
want to know why he "sold" grain to his fellow citizens instead of just doling
it out in soup lines. Well, for one thing, quite a few of the Egyptians had
good incomes (Ex 3:20-22, Ex 11:2). They were quite prosperous and could
easily afford to pay-- at least at first. Secondly, Joseph answered to a higher
power than himself. It was his duty to look out for Pharaoh's best interests,
and make sure his boss received adequate taxes even during lean years (cf.
Matt 25:14-30, 1Cor 4:1-2, 1Pet 4:10).

Gen 41:57 . . And people from surrounding lands also came to Egypt to
buy grain from Joseph because the famine was severe throughout the world.

The "world" likely refers to a political region rather than geographical. In
other words; the world in Gen 41:57 was their world rather than the whole
planet. Compare that to the world of Jesus' day.

"Many people, because they had heard that he had given this miraculous
sign, went out to meet him. So the Pharisees said to one another, "See, this
is getting us nowhere. Look how the whole world has gone after him!" (John
12:18-19).

Wherever the famine was, it was severe; as opposed to severe in some
places while tolerable in others; viz: nobody had it good. Wherever that
famine went, if it went there at all, then it was all bad rather than some bad
and some not so bad.

At this point, Joseph had been away from home for twenty years (cf. Gen
37:2, Gen 41:46, Gen 41:53) and had seen neither his dad nor his brothers
even once in all that time. When he was sold into slavery, Joseph was just a
young teen-ager; now he's in his late thirties. He was just a boy then; now
he's a man.
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Gen 42:1 . .When Jacob learned that there were rations of grain in Egypt,
he said to his sons; Why do you just keep looking at each other?


You can just picture what was going on. One brother would turn to another
and ask; What are we going to do for food? And the other would just shrug
and raise his eyebrows. They must have been doing that a lot lately because
apparently it was beginning to grate on their dad.


Gen 42:2-4 . . He continued: I have heard that there is grain in Egypt. Go
down there and buy some for us, so that we may live and not die. Then ten
of Joseph's brothers went down to buy grain from Egypt. But Jacob did not
send Benjamin, Joseph's brother, with the others, because he was afraid
that harm might come to him.


To Jacob's knowledge, Joseph was dead. His mother was certainly dead,
having died giving birth to Benjamin back in chapter 35. So, to Jacob's mind,
all that's left of the love in his life is Benjamin. So that if something were to
happen to him, he would have nothing left to remind him of Rachel, and that
whole side of the family would be gone.


Benjamin, at this time, wasn't a little kid. He was born when the family
moved south from Bethel to Hebron back in chapter 35. And as Joseph was
now about 38, and sold into slavery at 17 while Jacob was at Hebron, then
Benjamin is, at the bare minimum, at least 21.


Gen 42:5 . . So Israel's sons were among those who went to buy grain, for
the famine was in the land of Canaan also.


That must have been an interesting sight. The brothers mingled in with
caravans traveling to (and from) Egypt, and there must have been a lot of
them because the drought had effected the whole land of Palestine, possibly
even clear up into Syria and Lebanon. Traveling in a caravan had its
benefits. With food so scarce, grain would be more valuable than money,
and lone travelers would be easy targets for desperate clans; and brigands
too.


Gen 42:6a . . Now Joseph was powerful in the land; the one who sold
grain to all its people.


Apparently, before anybody could obtain grain, they had to first go by the
Minister Of Agriculture's office and purchase a permit in the form of an
official receipt, which was then taken to a designated silo and redeemed for
grain. Apparently, collecting the money, and issuing permits, was a task that
Joseph personally supervised himself rather than delegate to subordinates:
which tells me that Joseph trusted no one. And no surprise.


Those permits were a golden opportunity for graft and/or embezzling. A
dishonest clerk could smuggle some of those permits out of the office and
distribute them to friends and relatives and/or peddle them on the black
market because they were just as valuable as Cap & Trade emission permits
and food stamps. You could probably scalp those grain coupons for at least
double the original price.


Gen 42:6b-8 . . So when Joseph's brothers arrived, they bowed down to
him with their faces to the ground. As soon as Joseph saw his brothers, he
recognized them, but he pretended to be a stranger and spoke harshly to
them. Where do you come from? he asked. From the land of Canaan, they
replied, to buy food. Although Joseph recognized his brothers, they did not
recognize him.


One can hardly blame Joseph for acting like a stranger. For all he knew, his
brothers were still toxic; and might be inclined to find new ways to mess up
his life yet once more like they did when he lived at home. When people
have been burned by someone they trust; that trust is not easily regained;
nor does it deserve to be. Those men tried to murder Joseph-- his own flesh
and blood kin tried. That's something that's neither easily forgotten, nor
easily forgiven; and shouldn't be. Joseph's reluctance to befriend his
brothers at this point is fully justified. Only a fool would try to kiss a
rattlesnake twice after the first time one bites him on the nose.


But at the same time, this presents a dilemma for Joseph. No doubt he's
anxious for an update of his father Jacob's health and welfare, and also of
his one full brother Benjamin; against whom Joseph harbored no bad
feelings whatsoever. I sincerely believe that if it wasn't for Joseph's concern
for his father and kid brother back home, that he never, ever would have
told his brothers anything about himself. They would have come and gone
with no consciousness at all that they'd ever passed his way.


It's not surprising that Joseph's older brothers didn't recognize him. He was
just a shiny-faced, 17 year-old teen-ager the last they saw him. They
haven't seen their kid brother for the past 21 years. In that time his face
and his voice had aged to that of a matured 38 year-old man. Plus he's
cultured far different than any of Palestine's sheep herders. He has an
Egyptian hair cut, an Egyptian beard, speaks the Egyptian language, wears
the expensive clothing of Egyptian aristocrats; and he's a top-of-the-heap
Egyptian government official; a position in which they would never in a
million years expect to find their sheep-herding kid brother.
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Gen 42:9b . . and said to them: You are spies! You have come to see
where our land is unprotected.

That was a reasonable suspicion. Incursions into Egypt by Asians coming via
the Way of Horus-- a military highway from Canaan that led through Gaza to
El-'Arish --were a recurrent problem. So it would be only natural to assume
that if Egypt was raided from the northeast during normal years, it could be
expected to be raided even more often, and with greater boldness, during a
food-related crisis that was effecting a huge part of the world of that day.

Foreign invaders would of course be encouraged to think that maybe the
Egyptians were so distracted by just trying to survive that they'd let their
guard down and have no heart for fighting. A nation in crises is a plausible
target of opportunity for any ambitious conqueror. It of course fell to
Joseph's responsibility to carefully screen foreigners to be certain of their
true purposes for entering Egypt. Were they looking for food; or were they
looking for weak points in Egypt's defenses?

Joseph really had no good reason at all to trust his own brothers. Not only
had they been so callous as to plot their own kid brother's murder, and sell
him to slave traders, but he no doubt remembered how two of them
viciously hacked to death the entire number of men in the town of Shechem
back in chapter 34. So far as he was concerned, they were capable of
anything, even of pillaging a vulnerable Egypt under the guise of ordinary
people just looking for something to eat like everybody else.

Gen 42:10-11 . . But they said to him: No, my lord! Truly, your servants
have come to procure food. We are all of us sons of the same man; we are
honest men; your servants have never been spies!

Ten men all together is too obvious. I think that professional spies would
split up and not travel together nor even enter Egypt on the very same day.
Perhaps they hoped that by divulging details about their family, it would help
convince their inquisitor that they weren't entering Egypt for military
purposes. But even that story could be perceived as a cover to an official in
Joseph's position.

Gen 42:12 . . And he said to them: No, you have come to see the land in
its nakedness!

A word like "nakedness" can imply any number of things but in this
application it probably refers to destitution; which would mean that Egypt's
ability to wage war was very limited and thus vulnerable to invasion, pillage,
and conquest.

Gen 42:13 . . But they replied: Your servants were twelve brothers, the
sons of one man, who lives in the land of Canaan. The youngest is now with
our father, and one is no more.

For the second time they volunteer personal information about themselves;
and probably for the same reason as the first. However, it was music to
Joseph's ears because no doubt when he didn't see his kid brother Benjamin
traveling with his eldest brothers, he began to be concerned that they had
done to him what they had previously wrought upon himself. Although they
lied about the "one" who is no more (lying about Joseph was by now
probably a reflexive habit) they certainly weren't lying about the youngest
because there was no reason to. If Benjamin were dead, then they simply
would have said "two" are no more.

Gen 42:14 . . Joseph said to them: It is just as I told you: You are spies!

With Joseph's intelligence, and from his day after day experience with an
endless stream of truly desperate people, he would have known by now
(especially with that incredible intuition of his) that the ten weak-knees guys
standing before him certainly weren't professional soldiers. He's being
deliberately obtuse, and it's becoming obvious now (at least to us Bible
students who know Joseph's true identity) that he's feeling his brothers out
to ascertain whether or not they're the very same unrepentant,
unremorseful, cold-blooded, steely-eyed, dirty rotten scoundrels they were
in the past. Until he's certain they can be trusted, Joseph isn't going to
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Gen 42:15-17 . . By this you shall be put to the test: unless your youngest
brother comes here, by Pharaoh, you shall not depart from this place! Let
one of you go and bring your brother, while the rest of you remain confined,
that your words may be put to the test whether there is truth in you. Else,
by Pharaoh, you are nothing but spies! And he confined them in the
guardhouse for three days.

During those three days the brothers must have felt like they were in a
purgatory as they endured unbearable anxiety while conferring amongst
themselves about their current state of affairs. They were no doubt positive
that Jacob would never allow his favorite little boy to be taken down to
Egypt where this obtuse Egyptian big shot just might lock him up with the
others so that in the end, all surviving eleven of Jacob's sons would never be
seen again.

Gen 42:18-20a . . On the third day Joseph said to them: Do this and you
shall live, for I am a God-fearing man. If you are honest men, let one of
your brothers be held in your place of detention, while the rest of you go and
take home rations for your starving households; but you must bring me your
youngest brother, that your words may be verified and that you may not die.

This reversal of terms couldn't have done anything other than to reinforce
the brothers' fears that not only was this Egyptian big shot obtuse, but also
unpredictable.

Turning loose nine of the ten men would be dumb because, militarily,
sacrificing one to save nine is an acceptable loss. Joseph's excuse for this
obvious military blunder is that he's a "God-fearing" man; viz: just in case
their story is true, he didn't want to be responsible for the starvation of
innocent families.

Joseph had the advantage of knowing far more about their family than they
dreamed. As it turned out, Jacob would have gladly sacrificed the brother
who will be chosen to remain behind in order to protect Benjamin, except
that to not return, meant certain starvation; and no doubt Joseph easily
foresaw Jacob's dilemma in that matter. He really had them in a catch-22.

Gen 42:20b . . And they did accordingly.

The men agreed to Joseph's terms, but not without going around the room
about it first. These guys are dumber than a stack of bricks. They discussed
their current predicament, and their consciences, all within Joseph's hearing.
(Never assume foreigners don't know your language just because they aren't
speaking it.)

Gen 42:21-23 . .They said to one another: Alas, we are being punished on
account of our brother, because we looked on at his anguish, yet paid no
heed as he pleaded with us. That is why this distress has come upon us.
Then Reuben spoke up and said to them: Did I not tell you, do no wrong to
the boy? But you paid no heed. Now comes the reckoning for his blood. They
did not know that Joseph understood, for there was an interpreter between
him and them.

Apparently the interpreter had been either dismissed and/or sent on an
errand and left Joseph guarding the men by himself while they deliberated
amongst themselves.

Isn't it interesting that those men carried the guilt of their treatment of
Joseph all those 21 years that he was away from home? This probably
wasn't the first time they blamed their bad luck on Joseph. Probably every
time one of them hit his thumb with a hammer, or bumped his head on a
shelf, he thought of Joseph.

Those men's minds hadn't enjoyed a moments peace since the day the slave
traders carted their kid brother off to the big unknown in Egypt. At night,
when the demons come, their minds would once and again, for the Nth time,
rehearse his awful wailing and begging down in that hole, and see the pain
on his face, a pain that was burned into their memories like a rancher's
cattle brand. No doubt those poor guys all suffered from recurring
nightmares about the incident too.

All those 21 years, Jacob hadn't stopped grieving for Joseph; so that every
morning, those guys were treated to the sight of their father all blue and
depressed at the loss of his favorite boy. Those poor guys. It was impossible
to forget Joseph with their dad moping around all the time in a sorrowful
state to remind them.

Gen 42:24a . . He turned away from them and wept.

Genesis offers no explanation whatsoever for Joseph's weeping; and I half
suspect it's because unless somebody has actually themselves lived through
an experience similar to his, then there is just no way even the brightest of
Bible students can fully relate to what Joseph was feeling at that moment no
matter how skillfully the best writers on earth tried to explain it. His weeping
wasn't a matter of the mind; no, it was a matter of the heart; and
oftentimes those kinds of matters can't be put into words by the very people
themselves who are awash with those kinds of emotions.

Joseph certainly had no good reason to feel any particular bonding with his
brothers. If anything, he should be feeling totally disconnected from them.
They were never his friends, and not once did anything good by him; the
rather, he was disowned in his own home by the very people who by all
rights should have loved and supported him the most.

Although Joseph grew up with big brothers, he didn't, if you know what I
mean. His only trusty companions at home were his dad Jacob, and his kid
brother Benjamin; and it seems clear to me that it's for their sakes alone
that he's tolerating these ten felons for even another minute. It must have
taken a Herculean effort on Joseph's part to restrain his natural impulses to
order their bodies immediately gibbeted and set out for the vultures.
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Gen 42:24b . . Returning, he talked some more with them. He then chose
Simeon from among them and had him shackled in their sight.

Rueben had shown some good colors back at the pit in chapter 37, so the lot
fell to Simeon seeing as how he was next in the line of seniority of the ten
brothers (Gen 29:31-33). Simeon was a good choice since he and his
brother Levi had so far shown themselves to be the cruelest among the
brothers in the matter of Dinah back in chapter 34. Let's just give Simeon a
taste of mortal fear for a change and see how he likes it.

Later, at home, neither Jacob nor the others will seem overly concerned that
Simeon was selected to be detained, and the total focus will be upon
Benjamin's safety rather than upon Simeon's rescue; in fact, Jacob will write
him off as dead.

Apparently, Simeon wasn't all that appreciated by his own family: and no
wonder with that savage nature of his. They were probably all, including
Jacob, relieved to be rid of his company. Joseph's own lack of popularity
among his elder brothers was a natural friction stemming from old fashioned
sibling rivalry. But Simeon was just plain mean; while Joseph was likely a
pleasant sort of guy and easy to get along with. Difficult people shouldn't be
surprised when others around them spit on their graves.

Gen 42:25-26 . . Joseph then ordered his servants to fill the men's sacks
with grain, but he also gave secret instructions to return each brother's
payment at the top of his sack. He also gave them provisions for their
journey. So they loaded up their donkeys with the grain and started for
home.

Returning his family's money was something that Joseph did for himself.
How could he possibly make his own desperate kin pay for food under his
control? He couldn't. In his position, Joseph could easily provide for all of
them at no cost to themselves whatsoever.

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house,
he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (1Tim 5:8)

Joseph was a man of honor. No doubt he made up for their payment out of
his own pocket so that no one could accuse him of abusing his privileges and
giving Pharaoh's grain away for nothing to people who had demonstrated
that they had the wherewithal to pay for it. A man's reputation, after all, is
his singular most valuable asset.

"Choose a good reputation over great riches; for being held in high esteem
is better than having silver or gold." (Prov 22:1)

Giving them free provisions for the trip would have included food and water
not only for themselves, but also their beasts. That was a diplomatic
gesture, and would go a long ways towards making the family feel welcome
down in Egypt, and encourage them to return since they had certainly been
given a degree of fair treatment way beyond what they had any right to
expect from a foreign dignitary.

Gen 42:27-28 . . As one of them was opening his sack to give feed to his
burro at the night encampment, he saw his money right there at the mouth
of his bag. And he said to his brothers: My money has been returned! It is
here in my bag! Their hearts sank; and, trembling, they turned to one
another, saying: What is this that God has done to us?

Why is it people always tend to blame God for their misfortunes? But in this
case, their perceived misfortune is not that at all. If only they hadn't been so
infected with guilt they would have easily seen that the Egyptian big shot
was demonstrating that he meant only the best by them. But no; instead,
they go off the deep end and interpret their host's graciousness as an ill
omen rather than a token of good will. Some people are so suspicious of
anything nice that people do for them-- always looking for an ulterior motive
and/or a hidden agenda.

Gen 42:29a . .When they came to their father Jacob in the land of Canaan

If Jacob was still living in Hebron, the distance the men traveled to get back
home was roughly 250 miles if Joseph's headquarters was possibly either in,
or near to, the city of Memphis, which is about ten miles south of today's
Cairo.

NOTE: In the millennia prior to mechanized conveyances, the greatest
obstacle to travel was distance. Today the average American zips around in
a vehicle that can easily travel 55 miles in just one hour. That same distance
would take eleven hours at a burro's pace. In other words; in the time it
takes a burro to walk 55 miles, an automobile at 55 miles an hour can travel
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Gen 42:29b-34 . . they told him all that had befallen them, saying; The
man who is lord of the land spoke harshly to us and accused us of spying on
the land. We said to him: We are honest men; we have never been spies!
There were twelve of us brothers, sons by the same father; but one is no
more, and the youngest is now with our father in the land of Canaan.

. . . But the man who is lord of the land said to us; By this I shall know that
you are honest men: leave one of your brothers with me, and take
something for your starving households and be off. And bring your youngest
brother to me, that I may know that you are not spies but honest men. I will
then restore your brother to you, and you shall be at liberty to move about
in the land.

When they got home, they proceeded to report to their father Jacob the
details of their experience. In spite of his age, which was near 130, Jacob
was still the dominant figure in the family; and apparently well respected
since no one seems to feel inclined to question his authority.

Gen 42:35 . . As they were emptying their sacks, there, in each one's
sack, was his money-bag! When they and their father saw their money
bags, they were alarmed.

It must have seemed to Jacob that his sons stole the grain, or why else
would they still have their money? To the men, it must have seemed like the
obtuse Egyptian big shot was toying with them; to set them up for a charge
of theft. As these thoughts raced through every man's head, Jacob became a
bit paranoid; which Webster's defines as: a psychosis characterized by
delusions of persecution; as in "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?"
(lyrics from a cute song by The Coasters, 1959)

Gen 42:36a . .Their father Jacob said to them: You have deprived me of
my children.

Jacob held his eldest sons responsible for Joseph's demise. But he is even
more complicit. Jacob should have known better than to send his young
teen-age son all by himself to find the others a good many miles from home
in a mostly wilderness area. That was irresponsible.

Gen 42:36b . . Joseph is no more and Simeon is no more, and now you
want to take Benjamin. Everything is against me!

Poor ol' Jacob. Little did he know that the night gets darkest before the
dawn. Mr. Israel had little to celebrate at this point; but morning was right
around the corner.

They all, including Jacob, should have thought the whole situation through
for a minute. The big shot accused the brothers of spying. So now why
would he trump up a charge of theft against them? Which is worse, spying
or theft? Spying, of course, is much worse than theft. And how ever could
thievery prove the big shot's much more serious charge of spying against
them?

It couldn't. No proficient spy is going to do something dumb that is sure to
draw attention to himself. When Joshua's spies entered Jericho (Josh 2) did
they begin shop-lifting, or taking things off of people's clothes lines? No.
They were discreet. Jericho's authorities still caught on to them anyway, but
at least it wasn't for something stupid.

So the men must have reasoned that the big shot was hedging his bets. If
he couldn't get them on a charge of spying, then he would get them for the
lesser charge of theft. But they should have asked themselves: Why would
the obtuse big shot be so anxious to nail them at all? Is that how he amused
himself; by framing people and throwing them in jail for something they
didn't do? That's not an unusual police activity. In our own day, Iraqi
authorities, under the auspices of Saddam Hussein, used to do that all the
time.

For some reason, it just never occurred to the men that maybe the big shot
down in Egypt simply pitied them. He had, after all, professed to fear God;
and by doing so, implied that just in case their story were true, he didn't
want to be responsible for causing their families any undue hardship; but no,
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Gen 42:37 . .Then Reuben said to his father: You may put both of my sons
to death if I do not bring him back to you. Entrust him to my care, and I will
bring him back.

It would have been interesting to ask Reuben's boys how they felt about
their dad's rash offer to trade their lives for Benjamin's. That is the very
same stupid kind of deal that Lot offered the Sodomites back in chapter 19,
only Lot's was dumber because he offered to trade his wife's babies for two
perfect strangers' lives. What did men in those days think their offspring
were? Cattle? Commodities? God pity kids that grow up in a home with
parents that think so little of them.

And did Reuben really think that slaying Jacob's own grandchildren would
somehow make him feel any better about losing Benjamin? That's like
burning my house, and then stealing my car to make me feel all better
about the loss of my home. Reuben either had a very low IQ, or must have
been out of his cotton-picking mind! Sometimes I think Joseph rather pitied
his elder brothers for being such imbeciles. Small wonder God chose Joseph
to go down to Egypt. The rest of them had no more intelligence than a bar of
soap.

Gen 42:38 . . But he said: My son must not go down with you, for his
brother is dead and he alone is left. If he meets with disaster on the journey
you are taking, you will send my white head down to sheol in grief.

Some translators render sheol (sheh-ole') as the grave; a place to inter a
corpse. But though sheol can include one's grave; it's not the whole picture.

A specific Old Testament word for grave is qeber (keh'-ber) which first
appears in Gen 23:4, and something like 67 instances thereafter.

Qeber is the equivalent of the New Testament word mnemeion (mnay-mi'
on) which first appears at Matt 8:28, and something like 41 instances
thereafter.

According to 1Thess 5:23, human life consists of at least three components:
body, soul, and spirit. Though the body is easily killed, the soul can only be
killed by the hand of God. (Matt 10:28, Luke 12:4-5)
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Gen 43:1-7 . . But the famine in the land was severe. And when they had
eaten up the rations which they had brought from Egypt, their father said to
them: Go again and procure some food for us.

. . . But Judah said to him: The man warned us "Do not let me see your
faces unless your brother is with you". If you will let our brother go with us,
we will go down and procure food for you; but if you will not let him go, we
will not go down, for the man said to us "Do not let me see your faces unless
your brother is with you".

. . . And Israel said: Why did you serve me so ill as to tell the man that you
had another brother? They replied: But the man kept asking about us and
our family, saying "Is your father still living? Have you another brother?"
And we answered him accordingly. How were we to know that he would say
bring your brother here?

Judah is direct, and right to the point. If Jacob doesn't let the brothers take
Benjamin with them on the next trip, then the family is certain to go without
food. It's just that simple, and there's no use in sugar coating it.

Gen 43:8-10 . . Then Judah said to his father Israel: Send the boy in my
care, and let us be on our way, that we may live and not die-- you and we
and our children. I myself will be surety for him; you may hold me
responsible; if I do not bring him back to you and set him before you, I shall
stand guilty before you forever. For we could have been there and back
twice if we had not dawdled.

At this point, the number of kin for whom Jacob was directly responsible to
provide numbered well over 70, upwards of 100, because the list in chapter
46 doesn't include his sons' wives, nor any of the wives of his grandsons.
Truly, if Jacob wasn't careful, he would cause the loss of his entire clan in
the interest of saving just one. Since the whole clan was now in mortal
danger, they really had nothing to lose by risking Benjamin's life. He would
die anyway from hunger; so why not have him die trying to obtain some
additional grain from Egypt? It was an acceptable risk given the
circumstances.

During all this discussion, the Egyptian big shot is only referred to as "the
man" which means Joseph didn't tell the brothers his official Egyptian name
Zaphenath-paneah; and they couldn't have gotten it off their grain permits
because Joseph signed all government documents with that signet gadget
given to him by Pharaoh back in chapter 41.

Gen 43:11-14 . .Then their father Israel said to them: If it must be so do
this: take some of the strength of the land in your baggage, and carry them
down as a gift for the man-- some balm and some honey, labdanum,
pistachio nuts, and almonds.

. . . And take with you double the silver, carrying back with you the silver
that was replaced in the mouths of your bags; perhaps it was a mistake.
Take your brother too; and go back at once to the man. And may El Shaddai
dispose the man to mercy toward you, that he may release to you your
other brother, as well as Benjamin. As for me, if I am to be bereaved, I shall
be bereaved.

The "choice" fruits would have to be limited to produce that doesn't spoil
easily since it was probably three weeks travel time via burro.

Balm was a good gift, since it was a trade item (Gen 37:25) and a valuable
first aid treatment.

Labdanum is a soft dark fragrant bitter oleoresin derived from various
rockroses (genus Cistus) and used in making perfumes. Another trade item.

Before the advent of processed sugar and artificial sweeteners, honey was a
lot more popular than it is now. There is no Hebrew word for sugar in the
entire Old Testament. A little-known fact about natural honey is its medicinal
value. Honey fights bacteria in wounds in several ways, including the steady
production of hydrogen peroxide, an antiseptic. One type of honey-- Manuka
--is especially effective.

Honey was valued in the old world; as evidenced by it being one of the
nouns to describe the qualities of the promised land (Ex 3:8). The Hebrew
word for honey-- debash (deb-ash') --is a bit ambiguous. It can mean the
kind of organic goo produced in nature by bees and/or can indicate a thick,
intensely sweet syrup produced from dates and grape juice; which Arabs call
dibs. In this story, either one would have been as good as the other since
neither were easy to obtain.

I would think that honey-bee honey would be the more prized since there's
been found no evidence of scientific agriculture in the Palestine of that day.
Any honey gathered would have to be found by first searching for it in the
wild, and then braving its angry owners in order to collect it. (cf. 1Sam
14:24-27)

The almonds, honey, and pistachios were just treats; but the other items,
given by a man, to a man, were about the equivalent of giving a girl jewelry.
They weren't cheap. And considering the austere conditions in the land
caused by the intense drought, anything edible would certainly be
appreciated far more than normal.

Jacob knew God as Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) as well as by His name El
Shaddai (Gen 27:20, Gen 28:13) but in this instance he depends upon God
as El Shaddai; the God of Abraham's covenant (Gen 17:1-2, Gen 35:10-12)
the God powerful enough to control nature and make the impossible happen.
(cf. Eph 3:20)

NOTE: I'm not sure just how well-informed the ancients were about the
nutritional benefits of almonds; but they are an excellent source of natural
riboflavin (B2).
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Gen 43:15-18a . . So the men took that gift, and they took with them
double the money; as well as Benjamin. They made their way down to
Egypt, where they reported to Joseph.

. . .When Joseph saw Benjamin with them; he said to his house steward:
Take the men into the house; slaughter and prepare an animal, for the men
will dine with me at noon. The man did as Joseph said, and he brought the
men into Joseph's house.

It's highly unlikely Joseph recognized Benjamin since he was just a little boy
when big brother went off to Egypt. At this point, Benjamin is much older--
over 21 --and likely much older than that since, at this point, Joseph had
already been in Egypt for at least that long. Later, Joseph will interrogate his
elder brothers to make sure they actually brought him.

Gen 43:18b . . But the men were frightened at being brought into Joseph's
house.

They had good reason to be frightened. It was common for Egyptian big
shots to have dungeons under their homes where they kept their own
private little penal colony.

Gen 43:18c . . It must be, they thought; because of the silver, replaced in
our bags the first time, that we have been brought inside-- as a pretext to
attack us and seize us as slaves, with our pack animals.

That's actually a pretty good mob trick; it's in movies like Godfather, and in
TV programs like The Sopranos all the time. The mark is thrown off guard
with courtesy, forgiveness, kindness, sympathy, generosity, and friendship;
until the moment of truth when the guns, knives, garrotes, anchor chains,
and/or bags of concrete come out. The men are justifiably worried; and so
rather than wait and be confronted about the silver, they come forward to
cop a plea.

Gen 43:19-22 . . So they went up to Joseph's house steward and spoke to
him at the entrance of the house.

. . . If you please, my lord, they said; we came down once before to procure
food. But when we arrived at the night encampment and opened our bags,
there was each one's money in the mouth of his bag, our money in full. So
we have brought it back with us. And we have brought down with us other
money to procure food. We do not know who put the money in our bags.

No true thief of course would go to all the trouble of actually bringing the
silver back; sort of like people who are given too much change from a
purchase and keep it; saying nothing.

Gen 43:23a . . He replied: All is well with you; do not be afraid. Your god,
the god of your father, must have put treasure in your bags for you. I got
your payment.

In the steward's thinking; which god is the god of your father? If he had
used the name Yhvh it would be easier to answer that question. But in light
of the times and the circumstances, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the
steward had no idea who their own personal god was, nor did he care; since
gods were plentiful in Egypt and the brothers would probably be like
everybody else and simply worship the one they inherited and grew up with
at home: whichever that might be.

Gen 43:23b-25 . . And he brought out Simeon to them. Then the man
brought the men into Joseph's house; he gave them water to bathe their
feet, and he provided feed for their burros. They laid out their gifts to await
Joseph's arrival at noon, for they had heard that they were to dine there.

In the brothers' minds; all the leniency and courtesy being extended to them
was little more than a pretext designed to accomplish just one purpose: to
give them a false sense of security so they wouldn't suspect the real purpose
for being brought to Joseph's home; which they truly believed was to
confiscate their goods and their livestock, and to harness themselves in
slavery.

Gen 43:26-28 . .When Joseph came home, they presented to him the gifts
that they had brought with them into the house, bowing low before him to
the ground. He greeted them, and he said: How is your aged father of whom
you spoke? Is he still in good health? They replied: It is well with your
servant our father; he is still in good health. And they bowed and made
obeisance.

The Hebrew word for "obeisance" is shachah (shaw-khaw') which means to
prostrate oneself in homage. That very same word is translated "worship" in
other places. (e.g. Gen 22:5, Gen 24:26, Ex 34:14)

Gen 43:29a . . As he looked about and saw his brother Benjamin, his own
mother's son, he asked: Is this your youngest brother, the one you told me
about?

No doubt Joseph could tell by the looks on everybody's faces that it was
indeed Benjamin so he didn't have to wait for an answer before responding.

Gen 43:29b . . May God be gracious to you, my son.

To be "gracious" is the Hebrew word chanan (khaw-nan') which means to
stoop or bend in kindness to an inferior; viz: fraternize with someone below
you; viz: waive the privileges of rank and descend to a less formal or less
dignified level-- a mandated Christian social skill.

"Don't be conceited, and think so highly of yourself as to avoid associating
with people below you." (Rom 12:16)

Somebody might be curious why Joseph called Benjamin "son" instead of
brother. The Hebrew word for son (ben) is ambiguous and has a pretty wide
application. It can mean not only a direct descendant, but also a grandson;
or the result of an action like city building or township founding. It can also
mean a subject, like citizens in a kingdom.

It was no doubt in the "subject" aspect that Joseph applied it to his kid
brother-- not as kin, but as below himself in rank because in Egypt, nobody
was higher than Joseph except his own boss Pharaoh; which made Pharaoh
a father to everyone under his jurisdiction; including Joseph. And besides,
Joseph is not quite ready to reveal his true identity; so he has to maintain
an air of aristocracy in order to keep them guessing.
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Gen 43:30 . .Then Joseph made a hasty exit because he was overcome
with emotion for his brother and wanted to sob. Going into his private room,
he wept there.

Only people who have found long-lost relatives can understand the wave of
emotion that swept Joseph at this moment. It's a strange human
experience.

When my own full brother found me after losing track of each other for
almost 26 years, I broke down and had to call in sick to work the next day.
It was overwhelming; and I don't even like the man. My brother and I were
never friends. In point of fact, our reunion took place over the phone and via
US Mail: we never did actually meet up face to face. I informed him, in no
uncertain terms, that if he ever came to my home I would call the Sheriff.
Anon, I took steps to insure he never wrote me, nor called me, ever again. If
my brother should die before me, I don't want to be told about it; and won't
go to his funeral.

Somebody might ask: Why don't you forgive your brother and let bygones
be bygones. No; they don't understand. My brother is toxic. He's on a third
marriage and has left behind him a wake of broken-hearted, psychologically
damaged wives and children. Everyone is secondary to his business
ambitions. Nobody is on a plane with those ambitions-- nobody. He's
extremely competitive, supercilious, and always has to be the center of
attention at the expense of everyone else's self respect. My brother is cursed
with a natural talent for making people in his presence feel bad about
themselves.

No, it's not as simple as bygones-- it's as simple as self defense. I am not
going to let my brother close enough to de-humanize me all over again, and
I am certainly not going to let him near any of my own family. It's just not
going to happen unless he goes through some very miraculous changes first.

Haven't you noticed how cautious Joseph has been with his own brothers?
That's the lesson of this section; don't miss it. Joseph has been carefully
gauging his elder brothers' reactions through all this to make very, very sure
he can trust them enough to let them back into his life. There was too much
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Gen 43:31-32 . .Then he washed his face and came out; and regaining his
composure, said: Serve the food. So they set him a place by himself, and
them by themselves, and the Egyptians who ate with him by themselves;
because the Egyptians could not eat food with the Hebrews, for that is an
abomination to the Egyptians.

Apparently the brothers didn't think anything of Joseph eating alone. Maybe
they just thought (as common Egyptian culture dictated) the other Egyptians
were too far below their host to be considered worthy of an invitation to sit
at his table. In their minds, to do so would have been fraternization; viz:
associating with people of lower official rank; thus implying that they were
equal in worth.

NOTE: If the steward had told them Joseph was a Hebrew, I wonder how
Jacob's sons would have reacted to that?

Gen 43:33 . . And they were seated before him, the firstborn according to
his birthright and the youngest according to his youth; and the men looked
in astonishment at one another.

Reuben was the natural firstborn; but due to his incestuous tryst with Bilhah
(Gen 35:22) Jacob transferred the position to Joseph (1Chrn 5:1). However,
seeing as how Joseph wasn't seated with his brothers, then what would've
been his position around the table defaulted to Reuben.

The seating arrangement wasn't at the brothers' discretion. It was totally
under their host's control and that's why they were all so amazed. According
to permutation, the odds of seating the 11 men according to their respective
ages by coincidence is like 39,917,000 : 1

Since they had no reason to believe that Joseph knew any more about their
family other than what they had already told him, perhaps at this point they
suspected he was either clairvoyant or else blessed with an amazing degree
of intuition; and they would have certainly been correct on that account
even if circumstances had been different because any man with the ability to
correctly interpret dreams should have no trouble figuring out birth orders.

NOTE: A Jewish Midrash (Genesis Rabba 92:5) has Joseph pretending to
"divine" their seating order by means of his special silver goblet-- a key item
coming up in just a few more verses.

Gen 43:34 . .Then he took servings to them from before him, but
Benjamin's serving was five times as much as any of theirs. So they imbibed
and were merry with him.

Every time I read that passage, my mind, like a knee-jerk reflex, instantly
fantasizes a really hulking, heaping, ranch-size platter of vittles placed
before Benjamin like is so often seen at buffets. Instead of making more
than one trip to the food bars, there's invariably at least one person who
piles everything they'll ever want onto just one plate, like Mt. Vesuvius, and
then does a delicate balancing act while cautiously maneuvering their way to
a table.

But a 5x serving isn't eo ipso a large amount; it would really depend upon
the size of a standard portion. And if the food was served a' la carte, then
five standard portions of just one item wouldn't necessarily take on the
appearance of a banquet. Gourmet foods, especially, are typically small
presentations that would barely qualify as an hors d'oeuvre to a strapping
man like an ice-road trucker or a Pacific Northwest lumberjack. Five servings
of gourmet food to one of those guys would amount to little more than an
appetizer.

But the point is: Benny's plate contained quite a bit more than his brothers'
and that had to raise some curious eyebrows.

NOTE: The Hebrew word for "merry" is shakar (shaw-kar') which means to
become tipsy; in a qualified sense, to satiate with a stimulating drink or
(figuratively) influence; which indicates that the beverage Joseph's brothers
were served had alcohol in it.
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Gen 44:1-2 . .Then he instructed his house steward as follows: Fill the
men's bags with food, as much as they can carry, and put each one's money
in the mouth of his bag. Put my silver goblet in the mouth of the bag of the
youngest one, together with his money for the rations. And he did as Joseph
told him.

When the brothers threw Joseph into that pit back in chapter 37, they fully
intended to leave him there to die; all alone. So it makes sense that Joseph
would want to gauge their reaction to his kid brother Benjamin being placed
in a similar danger. Would they do to Benjamin what they had done to
Joseph? . . . just leave him in Egypt to rot in a dungeon while they went
back home to comfort and safety?

Gen 44:3-5 . . As morning dawned, the men were sent on their way with
their burros. They had not gone far from the city when Joseph said to his
steward: Go after those men at once, and when you catch up with them, say
to them "Why have you repaid good with evil? Isn't this the cup my master
drinks from and also uses for divination? This is a wicked thing you have
done."

Divination cups were usually made out of silver and adorned with symbols,
spells, and religious phrases; and oftentimes the owner's name was
inscribed on it too. Divining cups were a kind of crystal ball for determining
future events or solving current mysteries. I would suspect that Joseph's
divination cup was a personal gift from his father-in-law Mr. Poti-phera;
priest of On.

Diviners used their goblets in various ways. Some read surface patterns
when a few drops of one liquid (e.g. oil) was dripped into a second liquid
(e.g. water). Others divined by the movement of objects floating upon, or
sinking within, the goblet's contents. Others yet studied the patterns that
particles of gold formed when they settled to the bottom.

Gen 44:6-8 . .When he caught up with them, he repeated these words to
them. But they said to him: Why does my lord say such things? Far be it
from your servants to do anything like that! We even brought back to you
from the land of Canaan the silver we found inside the mouths of our sacks.
So why would we steal silver or gold from your master's house?

The brothers' appeal to reason was of course a waste of righteous passion.
It's well known that kleptomaniacs suffer a persistent neurotic impulse to
steal without economic motive to do so. Booty to them is like blood to a
vampire; viz: just the sight of it excites. Every once in a while, a famous
celebrity gets caught shoplifting and we're all amazed that a millionaire
would stoop to such a petty crime.

Gen 44:9 . . If any of your servants is found to have it, he will die; and the
rest of us will become my lord's slaves.

The brothers' rash response evidences their complete confidence that there
is just no way on God's green earth that any of them would ever steal
anything at all; let alone from an Egyptian big shot's home. Many a poker
player has lost it all on just one hand with that kind of confidence.
Sometimes, you just can't tell what the other guy is holding; and in this
case, the situation is a stacked deck.

Gen 44:10 . .Very well, then; he said; let it be as you say. Whoever is
found to have it will become my slave; the rest of you will be free from
blame.

Either the steward wasn't listening, or he was instructed to say just exactly
those words. They all volunteered to enslave themselves, but he'll settle on
just the one who allegedly took the goblet, and it's because Joseph wants to
gauge the elder brothers' reaction to his own kid brother's danger. If they
failed to prove themselves honorable men, then I really think Joseph
planned to harbor Benjamin and dispatch an escort for his father; but
permanently bar the brothers from ever returning to Egypt. They would just
have to make do on their own the best as they could till the famine was over
regardless of their blood kinship.

Gen 44:11-13 . . So each one hastened to lower his bag to the ground,
and each one opened his bag. He searched, beginning with the oldest and
ending with the youngest; and the goblet turned up in Benjamin's bag. At
this they rent their clothes. Each reloaded his pack animal, and they
returned to the city.

"they" didn't really have to go back; Joseph's steward had already pre
released them. But surprise of surprises; instead of leaving Benny to rot in
slavery like they had done to his big brother many years previously, they
accompany him back to Egypt.

This turn of events wasn't due to a sincere concern for Benny's safety. As it
turned out, the real concern was for their father Jacob and how he would
handle the loss of yet another of Rachel's babies.
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Gen 44:14-17 . .When Judah and his brothers re-entered the house of
Joseph, who was still there, they threw themselves on the ground before
him. Joseph said to them: What is this deed that you have done? Do you not
know that a man like me practices divination?

. . . Judah replied: What can we say to my lord? How can we plead, how can
we prove our innocence? God has uncovered the crime of your servants.
Here we are, then, slaves of my lord, the rest of us as much as he in whose
possession the goblet was found. But he replied: Far be it from me to act
thus! Only he in whose possession the goblet was found shall be my slave;
the rest of you go back in peace to your father.

Surely Jacob wouldn't blame the older boys for the loss, since he was fully
aware of the risks involved when he sent his sons back to Egypt for food;
and the evidence against Benjamin made it appear he had no one to blame
but himself for getting into trouble. And this time, the men wouldn't have to
fake a death like they did Joseph's. It was a perfect situation; and I really
think Joseph fully expected them to take advantage of Benjamin's plight and
go back home without Joseph's brother; clapping themselves on the back for
their good fortune at ridding themselves of yet one more "favorite" sibling.

I can only imagine Joseph's surprise to see them all, to a man, including the
Terrible Trio-- Rueben, Simeon, and Levi --following his steward home with
their clothing ripped, and their heads hung low with fear and anxiety.

Then, as if that wasn't surprise enough; Judah steps forward and pins the
blame, not on Benjamin, but on all eleven of their own selves; thus
demonstrating a degree of solidarity that I have no doubt Joseph had never
before seen among his prone-to-rivalry elder brothers. Instead of asking
how can Benjamin prove "his" innocence, Judah asks how can "we" prove
"our" innocence. So then, Benjamin's alleged guilt is the whole family's guilt,
rather than an individual matter; and in point of fact, it is a national matter
too because those twelve men (counting Joseph) as a unit, represented the
blossoming nation of Israel.

Gen 44:18 . .Then Judah went up to him and said: Please, my lord, let
your servant appeal to my lord, and do not be impatient with your servant,
you who are the equal of Pharaoh.

Joseph didn't dispute Judah on the matter of being the equal of Pharaoh. Not
that he was a pharaoh; but that to Egypt's people, Joseph was as close to
being the actual pharaoh as anybody under a pharaoh could possibly get.
Compare Dan 7:13-13 where a human being is honored with the powers of
God; so that God's subjects have to bend the knee to that highly exalted
man just as if he were God in person. (cf. Ps 110:1 and Phil 2:9-11)

Gen 44:19-34 . . My lord asked his servants: Have you a father or another
brother? We told my lord: We have an old father, and there is a child of his
old age, the youngest; his full brother is dead, so that he alone is left of his
mother, and his father dotes on him. Then you said to your servants: Bring
him down to me, that I may set eyes on him. We said to my lord: The boy
cannot leave his father; if he were to leave him, his father would die. But
you said to your servants: Unless your youngest brother comes down, you
will not see my face.

. . .When we came back to your servant my father, we reported my lord's
words to him. Later our father said: Go back and procure some food for us.
We answered: We cannot go down; only if our youngest brother is with us
can we go down, for we may not see the man's face unless our youngest
brother is with us.

. . .Your servant my father said to us: As you know, my wife bore me two
sons. But one is gone from me, and I said: Alas, he was torn by a beast!
And I have not seen him since. If you take this one from me, too, and he
meets with disaster, you will send my white head down to death in sorrow.

. . . Now, if I come to your servant my father and the boy is not with us--
since his own life is so bound up with his --when he sees that the boy is not
with us, he will die, and your servants will send the white head of your
servant our father down to death in grief. Now your servant has pledged
himself for the boy to my father, saying: If I do not bring him back to you, I
shall stand guilty before my father forever.

. . .Therefore, please let your servant remain as a slave to my lord instead of
the boy, and let the boy go back with his brothers. For how can I go back to
my father unless the boy is with me? Let me not be witness to the woe that
would overtake my father!

Judah's impassioned plea isn't for Benjamin's sake, but for the sake of his
father. That is an incredible turn-around since nobody seemed to care much
about Jacob's feelings back in chapter 37 when they all to a man
manipulated their dad into concluding Joseph was mauled to death by a wild
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Gen 45:1-2 . . Joseph could stand it no longer. Out, all of you! he cried out
to his attendants. He wanted to be alone with his brothers when he told
them who he was. Then he broke down and wept aloud. His sobs were so
loud that the Egyptians could hear, and so the news reached Pharaoh's
palace.

The brothers have repeatedly proven their integrity, their family unity, and
their filial loyalty. Joseph could gain nothing more conclusive than Judah's
impassioned plea by additional stratagems; and by now, his own emotional
tension was becoming overwhelming; even for a big strong man like himself,
and it was all he could do to order his entourage out of the room before
totally losing his composure right in front of everybody.

I can well imagine the shock and confusion that Joseph's housekeeping staff
must have felt when their normally rock steady, no-monkey-business master
broke down and began sobbing like a little girl who just lost her favorite
Barbie down the garbage disposal. They had probably never once seen the
second highest man in Egypt make an open display of emotion like this
before; and the palace grapevine was instantly abuzz about it.

Gen 45:3a . . I am Joseph: he said to his brothers. Is my father still alive?

That question is so unnecessary that it makes no sense he would even ask.
The brothers had mentioned Joseph's dad no less than fourteen times up to
this point. Reading between the lines, and given the stress of the moment,
what Joseph actually said was: Is my father really, really still alive!? And I
don't think he asked that question of his brothers; but of himself; like a
lottery winner who asks themselves: I won!? Me!?

I think, that as the years in Egypt accumulated, Joseph had given up his dad
for dead and fully expected never to see him again. The news of Jacob's
continuing existence has been just beyond belief, and way too good to be
true. No doubt some of us feel very strongly that the world would be a much
better place to be rid of our own dads; but not Joseph. He enjoyed a normal
relationship at home, and was in fact his own dad's favorite son over all the
others.

Joseph was a very fortunate man to have lived with a dad who filled his
developing years with love, nurturing, attention, and acceptance. Some of
us, your host included, have no clue what that must be like; and never will.
I've seen a report online indicating that upwards of 80% of prison inmates
were victims of child abuse. Following are some interesting "father" facts.

Only about 50% of America's kids will spend their entire childhood in an
intact family. 24,000,000 children in America sleep in homes where their
natural fathers do not live.

Approximately half of the kids in the United States will live in a single parent
home at some point before the age of 18.

Nationally, 40% of kids whose fathers live outside the home have zero
contact with them. The other 60 percent have contact an average of just 69
days during the year.

Kids from father-absent homes are 5x more likely to live in poverty, 3x more
likely to fail in school, 2 to 3x more likely to develop emotional and
behavioral problems, and 3x more likely to commit suicide.

Up to 70% of adolescents charged with murder are from fatherless homes;
and up to 70% of long-term prison inmates grew up in a fatherless home.

People like that can't be expected to connect with Joseph's feelings for his
dad. Reading this section in Genesis is about as emotional an experience for
them as reading the Wall Street Journal. I'm not criticizing; I'm only pointing
out that it's difficult for some people to relate to this section of Genesis all
because they were emotionally mangled in the meat grinder of an affection
starved childhood.

NOTE: The physical growth of thousands of North Korean children is being
stunted by malnutrition; while here in America where our cities' homeless
eat like kings in comparison, the emotional development of thousands of
children is being stunted by filial neglect and indifference. I really don't know
whom to say is the worse off . . NK children or US children.

Gen 45:3b . . But his brothers could not answer him, for his sudden
emergence was making them palpitate.

I think part of their internal shivering was due to the fact that they instantly
realized that this man, whom they assumed was a foreigner, knew their
language and perfectly understood everything they had been discussing in
his presence all along. Coupled with that was their instant terror that their
long-lost kid brother was in a pretty good position for revenge: to do unto
them as they had done unto him. And the brothers were utterly powerless to
prevent him from doing so.
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Gen 45:4a . .Then Joseph said to his brothers: Come close to me.

You can just safely bet they had reflexively shrunk back from him as far as
the boundaries of the room would permit.

Gen 45:4b-7 . .When they had done so, he said: I am your brother
Joseph, the one you sold into Egypt! And now, do not be distressed and do
not be disappointed in yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save
lives that God sent me ahead of you. For two years now there has been
famine in the land, and for the next five years there will not be plowing and
reaping. But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a progeny on
earth and to save your lives by a great rescue.

If it was only God's ambition to preserve Israel's future, He could have easily
prevented the famine. And if He was looking ahead to Israel's rescue from
Egyptian slavery, then couldn't He have just simply ordered Jacob to move
everybody down to Egypt? No, that wouldn't have worked because the
Hebrews were an abomination to the Egyptians. They would never have
allowed the Hebrews to immigrate and settle in Egypt's choicest land under
normal circumstances.

So then, God set things up so that Egypt would owe the Hebrews a big
favor; and would welcome them in spite of their disgust. Pharaoh and the
Egyptians couldn't just take Joseph's providence for granted; no, they were
deeply indebted for saving them all from starvation and possibly conquest by
foreign powers.

NOTE: Famines are the result of climate change; which is a natural earth
cycle. Nowadays, climate change is depicted as a man-made evil; but in
reality, climate change is normal and would happen anyway regardless of
the amount of fossil fuel man burns or doesn't burn. In other words: God
didn't cause the famine in Josephs' day as a special event like the Flood; no,
He simply saw it coming before anybody else did; just as He had seen many
like it in the past.

Gen 45:8 . . So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made
me father to Pharaoh; lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt.

The sense in which Joseph was a "father" to Pharaoh, was in the capacity of
a guardian; viz: of a provider and a protector. If not for Joseph, Pharaoh's
kingdom would have surely collapsed.

The Hebrew word for "father" is 'ab (awb); which is ambiguous in that it has
several applications. It can apply to a genetic ancestor (e.g. Gen 2:24), an
inventor of skills and trades (e.g. Gen 4:20-21), a political big shot (2Kgs
5:13), a spiritual counselor (2Kings 2:12, 2Kgs 6:21), and God. (Ps 44:1)

Gen 45:9-11 . . Now hurry back to my father and say to him "This is what
your son Joseph says: God has made me lord of all Egypt. Come down to
me; don't delay. You shall live in the region of Goshen and be near me--
you, your children and grandchildren, your flocks and herds, and all you
have. I will provide for you there, because five years of famine are still to
come. Otherwise you and your household and all who belong to you will
become destitute.

Goshen was the fertile region in northeastern Egypt; situated to the west of
today's Suez Canal: a district of about 900 square miles; which is pretty
much the eastern half of the Nile delta.

NOTE: When Moses left Goshen, he didn't go directly to Palestine along the
coastal trade route; but took Moses' people a bit south first towards the
modern city of Suez (Ex 13:17-18). In his day, the Gulf Of Suez arm of the
Red Sea extended about 50 miles farther north than it does now. Lake
Timsah-- at the current town of Ismailia --and The Great Bitter Lake, and
the Little Bitter Lake are all that remain as witnesses to that portion of the
ancient sea bed.

Gen 45:12-13 . .You can see for yourselves, and so can my brother
Benjamin, that it is really I who am speaking to you. Tell my father about all
the honor accorded me in Egypt and about everything you have seen. And
bring my father down here quickly.

Jacob would want to know just exactly how the brothers learned Joseph's
Egyptian identity. By getting the news right from the horse's mouth, there
would be no reason for Jacob to doubt their story.

Joseph didn't refer to Jacob as "our" father; no, he made his association with
Jacob far more personal than that. He referred to Jacob as "my" father;
which reminds me of another's statement.

"Go to my brethren, and say unto them: I ascend unto my Father, and your
Father; and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)
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