Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Exodus 9 -- They lied and now they have boils on their face.

1 Then the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh, and tell him, Thus saith the Lord God of the Hebrews, Let my people go, that they may serve me. 2 For if thou refuse to let them go, and wilt hold them still, 3 Behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.

Cattle are the engine, the power of the agricultural economy. They are the “big business”. They are both the transportation and the power of the economy. The frogs might be the small retail outlets you see shopping malls with all the trinkets and junk they sell. This type of junk is closely associated with the junk associated with various sports teams. Their ratings have plummeted and no doubt the sales of that junk has also crashed. They were the first to get wiped out. But these cattle would represent the S&P 500, the main engine of the US economy. Cars represent the single biggest item in the US economy. However we are in a crisis, there are a shortage of chips and these chips are essential for building these cars. Since people can't buy a new car they aren't trading in the old cars and so not only do we not have new cars we also don't have used cars. Prices have risen about 30% in a single year. They call it a "supply chain" issue because if you break one link in the chain everything breaks. One guy posted that when he went to buy new tires they told him it would be six months to 2 years to get them. We have a shortage of trucks, is this because some truck drivers are not vaccinated? Or is the problem that some trucks need repairs and we don't have the parts? I saw another story where a shoe store was empty, the owner said that when the shoes arrived they all had to be thrown out because they were covered in mold. Sitting out on the water for weeks has made much of the goods moldy. Food is being discarded. The world’s economy operates on credit, it gives them “leverage”. However, since March they have been put into a terrible bind, they can’t continue to operate without borrowing money and no one would lend them money. As a result the US government has been buying up corporate debt at an unprecedented rate, even by 2010 standards the numbers are completely off the charts. It doesn’t show up as increasing US debt because on the books they have exchanged dollars which they print with corporate debt. It looks like an investment until the day you have to admit that paper is worthless. On that day your money will collapse in value. This is happening in the US, Japan, and Europe but it is even worse in China and Russia. We have seen the biggest real estate bubble in human history just collapse. The collapse will be official in a few weeks at which time we will have a bigger catastrophe than the 2008 mortgage meltdown. So what is happening is that people have lots of cash but nothing to buy. As a result many people are not returning to the work force, we are short of the labor that makes our economy work. The other thing that happens is you get runaway inflation.

7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle of the Israelites dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go.


What we have seen with the cancel culture and the censorship of conservative Christians is an exodus from companies like Google, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, etc. Mike Lindell was attacked and instead of going to the stores where his products are sold people are going on line in droves to buy from him. He has been adding new products on a weekly basis. The companies that are independent of these giants associated with Egypt are not just losing customers in the US, they are losing their standing worldwide. Australia, Poland, Mexico, Germany, France, Israel, Taiwan, etc. These countries see the insidious side of these companies and they are moving to protect themselves. But not only so we are seeing a distinction between the people of God and the people of the world. Those in the world are looking for the handouts and figuring out how not to return to work. Those who belong to the Lord realize they need to work and are not looking for a handout.

8 And the Lord said unto Moses and unto Aaron, Take to you handfuls of ashes of the furnace, and let Moses sprinkle it toward the heaven in the sight of Pharaoh. 9 And it shall become small dust in all the land of Egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast, throughout all the land of Egypt. 10 And they took ashes of the furnace, and stood before Pharaoh; and Moses sprinkled it up toward heaven; and it became a boil breaking forth with blains upon man, and upon beast. 11 And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils; for the boil was upon the magicians, and upon all the Egyptians.


When you deal with something, investigate it, judge it, and carry out that sentence it is as though you burned it to ashes. Why are we having all these protests? Suppose the police make a mistake, they kill an innocent person. Well they write up the report to indicate the person was a suspect (recently a police chief was fired for instructing his officers to do that). They might plant evidence on them like drugs or a gun (police have admitted this happens frequently). They might in the case of the mortgage crisis determine that the crooks are “too big to fail”. Basically an admission that the country is run by crooks and the government is incapable of dealing with them. Every time the government does not thoroughly and completely judge sin those “ashes” carry something that will cause boils. The protests are boiling over because of this. The “criminals” know that being set up by the police or the government is commonplace, they also know that once they have a felony on their record they are a second class citizen. This hypocrisy, this failure to deal with sin affects the magicians. All these regulators and government officials and pundits and talking heads. They have boils on their face because they have failed to deal with sin. Governor Cuomo, Governor Newsom, Governor Whitmer, they all have boils on their face and can no longer stand before us. Hunter Biden and the FBI which had his laptop and even Joe Biden also are covered in boils. These magicians told us a year ago the pandemic came from a bat cave, today they have boils on their face. They told us that HCQ could not be used to treat Covid and at least 20 to 30,000 died because of that, now they have boils on their face. They told us Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation, now they have boils on their face. They told us what was happening at the border was a human rights violation and as soon as they were in power they would put an end to it. Now they have boils on their face.

Recently it was announced that Colin Powell died. There are conflicting reports about this, did he die from Covid, from Cancer, or as some claim was he arrested, taken to a military tribunal for his role in 911 and has now entered witness protection? What we do know for sure is all of these leaders have been caught in lie after lie and they have boils all over their faces.
 

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I see many different "watchmen" on the internet trying to parse the date of the Lord's return and I feel like this is missing the point.

Noah -- what was critical was getting the ark ready.

Esther -- first she and Mordecai needed to catch Haman and destroy his plot to kill the Jews.

Rahab -- she was saved because of what she did to save the spies at great risk to herself.

Abigail -- she was taken to the kings palace because she saved her family from destruction despite being married to a drunken fool.

Ruth -- Boaz married her because of her righteousness in caring for her mother in law.

Lot -- They couldn't destroy the city until he got out to safety.

Lamed is the Hebrew letter that refers to ascending up, it comes after "a great success". The first 11 letters of the alphabet indicate the lessons we learn and they culminate in a spoon that can reach down to save. Only then can you have the rapture.

It is pointless to know when the flood is coming if the ark is not ready. Pointless to commend Esther and Mordecai until they have defeated Haman. Doesn't help Rahab to know when the city is going to be destroyed if she has not first saved the spies. Ruth doesn't need to worry about Boaz, rather she needs to focus on caring for Naomi. Abigail's job is to care for her household and save them from the stupidity of Nabal.

For example they have said get the vaccine or lose your job. To lose your job is to escape from Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot needs to escape before God will rain fire on Sodom. Right now our government is like a drunken fool and it is our job to show up to school board meetings, precinct meetings, and do what we can to save this nation. There was election fraud and many other examples of fraudulent, criminal behavior. If you were in there midst you need to be a whistleblower like Rahab the prostitute. Others like Steve Bannon, the deplorables, and some of those in the government are like Esther and Mordecai. They are exposing the evil Haman and his plot to wipe out the Christians with this pandemic and vaccine. Still others are building the ark letting all the believers know there is room in this ark for many different gifted ones. The ministry is in many different areas, in every one we need believers who are led by the Spirit and follow the Lord Jesus.
 

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A special report: You can trust the Vaccine -- brought to you by Pfizer

 

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Acts 3:17 “Now, fellow Israelites, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders.

We have seen a lot of heinous things done in the last year but they were done in ignorance. For example a number of very prominent scientists, researchers, the head of the CDC and even the President warned us about the Pandemic and that is came from the Chinese Bioweapons lab and their warnings were mocked, ridiculed and reviled. Some people were behaving deceitfully, their heart was full of deceit because they had designed wickedness. But many of us simply acted in ignorance, trusting that those who had sworn to protect the US were in fact doing that.

18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,20 and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus.

2,000 years ago it was Jesus who had warned them and who they rejected. They may have thought that Jesus was causing trouble and if they would silence this one man then the whole nation could have peace. That was a lie and after crucifying Jesus Titus came and destroyed the entire nation and scattered them to the four corners of the earth. At the end of the age it will be God's people who are warning you, they will be the ones you reject, ignore and opt to silence. Some will realize they acted in ignorance and repent, others will harden their hearth like Pharaoh and be destroyed.
 

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What is a Dossier?

Definition -- A collection of papers giving detailed information about a particular person or subject.

Suppose we have a person with a dangerous idea that the government wants to watch and track. They would want to know the basics, have some pictures of the person, his family, his friends, his associates. They would want to have writings from the person, things they are reading and saying. They would want to be able to create a web of friends and acquaintances and get an idea of those who are closest to this person and then create webs for those people as well.

In other words they want your social media account. Facebook is the governments dossier.

So who are these people with dangerous ideas? Evangelical Christians. Facebook wants every church to have a Facebook account so that they can create a dossier on all of them.
 

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A little perspective

When I was younger we would have something like this around New Years day reminding us of some of the big natural disasters throughout the past year. Now we can fill an entire show based on the disasters from the last two days. I would also point out that we are getting as many earthquakes and volcanoes in this period of time as we used to get in an entire year.

This is not climate change.

 

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we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us

James 3:3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal.

When Facebook or Twitter censors and fact checks posts they are "putting a bit" into your mouth to make you obey them. You can go this way and not that. You can promote the use of masks but you cannot ask about the origin of the pandemic. You can promote the vaccine but not question it.

4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go.

Individually we are like horses, collectively the US is like a great ship. Fauci was at the helm steering the ship and ran it onto the rocks. Fauci was a "very small rudder" but be assured there was a pilot pulling the strings. How do we know? Fauci had no control over all the press fawning over him.

5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

This pandemic is like a great forest fire. It is itself set no fire by hell. Still we should understand that it was the tongue of people like Fauci and the WHO that set the world on fire.
 

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Romans 2:1-16 -- God will repay each person according to what they have done

1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

This is the age of grace, the age in which we are witnesses of the Lord’s grace. The gospel we preach is very much focused on sin and righteousness, however, we are not the judge nor are we to judge. We are witnesses. Please note, “passing judgement on someone else” is not the same thing as witnessing concerning sin and righteousness. It is very important to stay balanced. Some Christians will become self righteous judges of others, the “holier than thou” crowd. Others will go to the other extreme refusing to condemn sin and will join the “everything goes” crowd.

2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.


The New Testament is very clear that God judges sin. The crucifixion is evidence of God’s judgement on sin. The gospel is that although the crucifixion represents the price that must be paid for sin the Lord has already paid that price for anyone willing to receive it. For those of us who have received the Lord’s redeeming work we are crucified with Christ and it is no longer us that lives but Christ lives in us. This is the good news of grace.

3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

This is even worse. When you judge others you usurp God’s position as the judge, that is rebellion, and not only so but your judgement is hypocritical since you do the same thing. So then how will you escape this judgement? With the same judgement you judge you will be judged. This is why the gospel of grace also talks of mercy. Judge others with mercy and then you too will receive mercy when God judges you.

4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?


These ones who teach that everything goes, there is no hell, and we are not here to judge sin, this is to show contempt for the word of God. We are witnesses, that includes witnessing to God’s grace, God’s mercy, but also God’s righteousness and judgment. The gospel is to lead us to repent of sin, not ignore it, not cover our eyes to it, not to pretend it doesn’t exist.

5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.


That is a scary picture: “Storing up wrath”. Instead of repenting many hide or “cover up” their sins. Paul says to “cover up” sins is likened to someone with a storage cellar. they didn’t deal with it, they merely stored it away for a later day. On judgment day God will open up that cellar and you will be judged for every skeleton in there.

6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”


Yes, this is the New Testament, this is the fellowship of the apostles. The same book that teaches that we have been forgiven of all our sins teaches that “God will repay each person according to what they have done”. How do we reconcile these two? If you are in Christ, then you will be repaid according to what Christ has done, if you are in your self you will be repaid according to what you have done. How do I enter into Christ? I confess my sins and I repent. For example, lets say you robbed a bank and got away with it. You now need to go to the authorities and confess and pay the price which could include returning the money and going to jail. Confessing a sin that you had “gotten away with” demonstrates remorse, so even if you killed a person a judge will usually use evidence of remorse to avoid the death penalty.

7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

We have two different groups here. Just like the parable of wheat and tares. The two are growing together. Just because Paul does not judge those who are self seeking, those who reject the truth and follow evil, it doesn’t mean he isn’t aware of what they are doing. He was following evil until he met the Lord and then he had a 180 degree turn and sought glory, honor and eternal life. We know that there are satanists, but our gospel of the glory of the eternal God is more powerful than anything they have. The big prize right now is to have someone caught by Satan confess, repent and seek God’s kingdom and His righteousness. At some point in the near future God will judge, but prior to that the best thing that can happen is people repent and come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.


Favoritism, racism is one form of favoritism. Religious extremism is another form of favoritism. The satanic worldly system is built on favoritism. Secret societies, the KKK, all these evil organizations are built on favoritism. That is why they have secret handshakes, pins, and symbols. They can signal to someone they are a member of this secret society and then people will show them favoritism and they get the job, they get promoted. This is how the deep state works. The gospel of glory is different, the word touches your spirit and operates from within. We do not have to operate in secret, in the dark, rather we can walk in the light.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.


This is the New Testament. God writes His laws on our heart. Yes, people have secrets, but the day will come when God will judge people’s secrets. People assume if you have a secret it must be something wicked. Seeking glory, honor and eternal life can also be the secret of your heart. During Jesus’ ministry He had a secret, He was the Son of God yet He forbid the demons from sharing this secret. He healed people but often wanted that to be kept secret as well.
 

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The Antidote

https://theuniversalantidote.com/

This is a movie (1 hr and 49 minutes) as well as a reference guidebook in Pdf form that gives you all of the scientific and anecdotal evidence concerning chlorine dioxide and how it can be used to combat pretty much any virus.
 

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As a thief in the night


Gives a whole new meaning to the Lord's coming being like a thief in the night.
 

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Romans 2:17-29 Storing up praise from God

17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”


Do not misread what Paul is saying. He is not saying that we should not boast in God, or that we shouldn’t know His will, or that being instructed in the Law is a superior education. He is not denying that the church is to be a light in the dark. What he is saying is that every word needs to be internalized. We need to live what we teach and what we preach.

25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.

Circumcision is like a wedding ring, it signifies you have a covenant. If you live according to that covenant then the wedding ring has value, but if you do not live according to your wedding vows then the ring is something of ridicule and scorn.

26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised?

Suppose you have two women, one has a wedding ring but is a prostitute, the other does not have a wedding ring but is faithful and true. People will have much greater respect for the woman that lives according to the wedding vows even though she doesn’t have a ring than the woman who has a ring but doesn’t honor her vows.

27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. 28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

These words must be written on our heart. When God reveals the secrets of our heart this is what must be stored there.
 

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James 3:13-18 Earthly, unspiritual, demonic wisdom of the pandemic

Post #2391 is critical -- watch the movie and you realize we had the antidote to the pandemic the entire time. The government has known about it, Trump mentioned it, and yet they attacked, ridiculed and prohibited it. Why? James explains that this is Earthly, unspiritual and demonic wisdom.

13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.

The pandemic has revealed that these leaders harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in their hearts. There is a very simple principle involved, if I want to buy something I want the price to be as low as possible. Bankruptcy and fire sales result in the lowest prices. The Pandemic has been a worldwide fire. The CDC, WHO and FDA are the "fire department" in charge of putting this fire out, yet instead of putting it out they threw gasoline on the fire and watched it burn. "Caesar Nero" was in charge of the fire department. Burn Rome to the ground and then you can buy the land at a fraction of the cost. Shutting everything down did not hurt the tech giants, it did not hurt Amazon or Google or Facebook. On the contrary if anything it wiped out their competition and super charged their business. Meanwhile small businesses are going bankrupt at a phenomenal rate, they are falling like dominoes. Defunding police while promoting riots, looting, and shoplifting only helps push these companies over the edge. Meanwhile the government helps with policies designed to keep workers at home and force others to quit rather than get vaccinated. The workers are now being replaced by robots, AI, and various forms of automation. People would have objected if they replaced people with these machines, but now they are doing it because they can't get any workers.

15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18 Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.

False prophets have one kind of wisdom that is earthly, unspiritual and demonic. They will boast that it was due to their “wisdom” that they got where they are. But if you dig deeper you discover that Hitler took power by killing others, the ugly facts that they will deny. 9/11 was an inside job, it allowed the Patriot act to be passed, an act enabling much greater surveillance in the US. Hitler’s public speaking created some of the most memorable spectacles seen this century, they also exhibited a man who was mentally unhinged. He was boastful, had bitter envy and selfish ambition. With the Nazi’s we found every evil practice. It was the expression of the wrath of man. Disorder and evil practice is the canary in the coal mine, an indicator of a much bigger problem. The mortgage crisis should have alerted all of us of a much bigger problem, NAFTA should have alerted us of a much bigger problem. The Stop the Steal rallies should alert us to a much bigger problem. Wisdom should be first pure, if someone is willing to do things that are impure for a “greater good” then beware. Saying that the Banks were "too big to fail" and therefore could not be prosecuted for their crimes should alert us to a much bigger problem. We are seeing political leaders willing to openly and brazenly lie. That is not pure.

Heavenly wisdom is peace loving, a rabble rouser, someone looking to incite a riot is an indicator of someone who is full of envy. We have seen politicians jump on a shooting event to fan the flames of a race war, that is not peace loving. If they are not considerate of others, they are not submissive to authority, then that is evil and demonic. They will be full of vengeance instead of mercy, full of poisonous fruit, they will have blatant prejudices and they will be a liar. Your ministry must be that of a peacemaker who sows in peace and reaps in righteousness.

We have learned that the pandemic was not some natural event, it was a man made crisis, it was demonic wisdom that resulted in such an evil practice. The pandemic was an unspiritual wisdom, they want greater control, they want to give every person a "social score" a way to monitor and promote people submissive to the totalitarian regime while being able to punish those who don't bow the knee. They want to put the middle class out of business since the backbone of democracy is the middle class. The oligarchs want to force everyone to use their platforms and the pandemic has been very profitable to them while putting their competition out of business. Look deeper and you find the pandemic was rooted in envy and selfish ambition.

True wisdom is first pure, those who were completely wrapped up in this pandemic were liars. Fauci has been proven to be a brazen liar, many other scientists and news outlets and politicians have also lied to promote the narrative they want. There was nothing peace loving or considerate about the pandemic. They are happy to cause irreparable harm to children, to bankrupt small business owners, and to kill the most vulnerable in nursing homes so that they could win an election and increase their power.
 

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Post #2391 is not a reference to "medicine" even though it can be used to cure viral infections. We don't classify salt as a medicine even though it can be used to kill germs. The easiest way to buy this is at any camping supply place, it is used to purify drinking water. Most cities have chlorinated water, this is the proper form of Chlorine that they are supposed to use (the other form of chlorine will create toxins when interacting with biologic agents).

Walmart sells this: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Potable-Aqua-Chlorine-Dioxide/606279746
 

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Wow! Incredible footage from Japan.


Isaiah 24:1 Behold, Jehovah maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
 

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Romans 3:1-20 -- How to please the Lord

1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision?

Circumcision is like a wedding ring. Living according to your wedding vows is far more important than the wedding ring, but that doesn’t mean the wedding ring doesn’t have any value.

2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

This word is spoken to us, the Gentiles. We should thank God that the Jews gave us the words of God. The bible was entrusted to them, that is a very strong commendation. We know that Satan would do anything to prevent us from getting the word of God, so for all their other failings being entrusted with the word of God may very well be the most important thing the Jews did.

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?

Let’s apply this to ourselves. We have seen many Christians who were unfaithful, does that nullify God’s faithfulness? Does some televangelist committing various sins nullify God’s faithfulness?

4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

When the Bible says to “imitate God” we should imitate this. Humans are prone to “tit for tat”, someone does me wrong so I do them wrong. All that does is make you look very small.

5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)

Man’s unrighteousness is like a black background that causes God’s righteousness to shine brighter. Jesus is Lord. Compare Jesus to every other king, emperor, or lord and He shines all the brighter.

6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?

Let’s use a human example. Suppose a wife is unfaithful to her husband so in return the husband cheats on his wife. Once he does that he has forfeited his right to judge her. If I were sitting in the jury it would not be a very compelling argument to me that this man says “but she cheated first”. As far as I am concerned you are both cheats.

7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”

Wow, “some” have no shame.

8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!


God’s glory will increase but the unfaithful wife will still be bitterness to the soul. A wife needs to be a match for the husband, all this woman has done is shown that she is not a match.

No One Is Righteous

9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.

This word is spoken to the Gentiles. Jesus was rejected and crucified by the Jews. As a result the gospel came to the Gentiles. This doesn’t mean that the Gentiles are better, nor does it mean that we have an advantage. What it means is that we need to deal with sin otherwise we will be just like the unfaithful wife that has been cast aside into outer darkness.

10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. 12 All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” 13 “Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.” “The poison of vipers is on their lips.” 14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 ruin and misery mark their ways, 17 and the way of peace they do not know.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

This is a powerful condemnation. Over the last 10 months this has been unveiled and revealed as never before. We are seeing the breadth and depth of the depravity in our government. It is satanic and evil.

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

This is the flip side, let’s go back to the woman who is an adulterous woman. Suppose she volunteers at the church, would that make a difference to her husband? What if she donates 20% of her paycheck to feed the poor, does that make up for her being adulterous? No one will be declared righteous by doing works of the law.
 

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Romans 3:21-31 Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Now let’s suppose there is another situation, you have a man and a woman and this woman appreciates the man, loves the man, and truly cares for him. How do we know? Because she hangs onto his words. His words are a lamp to her footsteps. Like Peter said “to whom can we go you have the words of life”. This is faith. This relationship is “right”. A marriage between a man and an unfaithful wife is not “right”. But if you have a situation where the woman loves and appreciates the words of her husband, that is right in the eyes of man.

25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

This woman, like the first, is also found in sin. However, the Lord paid the price for the sin. The first wife despised that sacrifice and she was cast off, the second wife can now walk in righteousness, not because of her works of the law but because she has faith in His words.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith.

Faith is all about appreciating the Lord. If you are proud and appreciate yourself like some narcissistic boastful woman, then you could never have faith in His words. The two are like oil and water, the one excludes the other. When you combine religion with boasting you get self righteousness and self exaltation. People who make themselves out to be a mediator between God and man, or worse, you get false Christs, false gods and idolatry.

28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


Wow, this is usually where the unbelievers start. They contend that if God is the God of all then all religions are good. But what are those other religions? They are the things that people are unfaithful to the Lord with. True, God is the God of all, however, God entrusted the Jews with the word of God. If you love God then you love His words. You treasure His words. If you despise His words then you are no different from the boastful unfaithful wife that was cast off. How is it that you see God in His creation, claim to seek God and love God every bit as much as anyone else and yet you don’t want His words?

“Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit.” “The poison of vipers is on their lips.” “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.” How do you want the poisonous words that you have rather than the words of life?

“Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know.” You tell me that every religion is the same and yet you don’t know the way of peace, you are swift to shed blood, your way of life leads to shipwreck and misery.

“There is no fear of God before their eyes.” What kind of religion has no fear of God?
 

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https://www.rei.com/product/736898/potable-aqua-chlorine-dioxide-tablets-package-of-30

Here is another lie they have given you, remember when we were told that chlorine dioxide (HCQ) was bleach and was dangerous? We have been using this for 50 years to purify water (kill germs in the water). This is chlorine dioxide sold at a camping supply store.

Yes, it is bleach (not the same bleach you use on clothes or on the floor, so don't try that) however the concentration of that bleach is 10,000x's greater. If you took 10,000 aspirin it would kill you, if you took 10,000 Tylenol it would kill you, if you took 10,000x's the daily dose of salt it would kill you.

However, this has a remarkable ability to oxidize viruses. All viruses! HIV, Covid, etc.!
 

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Deuteronomy 28 -- If you shall hearken to the voice of the Lord

1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of Jehovah thy God, to take heed to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that Jehovah thy God will set thee supreme above all nations of the earth;

We saw this at the time of Solomon and we also saw it during the days of Truman and Eisenhower. There was a time when the US was set supreme above all the nations of the earth. What have we done since then? We prohibited prayer in school. We legalized abortion. We have become very tolerant of fornication and idol worship. We said that Banks were too big to fail so despite them robbing widows houses we did nothing. The US was humiliated in Vietnam, on 911 and in Afghanistan. It seems that since the assassination of JFK the US government has been plagued with one scandal after another.

2 and all these blessings shall come on thee and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God. 3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

Perhaps the 50s was our most blessed time, though the highest standard of living was during the 70s. California was the bread basket of the world, today it is a basket case. Plagued with droughts and forest fires. We won the world wars because of our incredible manufacturing power, today that is gone.

4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the offspring of thy kine, and the increase of thy sheep.

During that time people in other countries were amazed at how big and healthy Americans looked. The people were big, the grocery stores were overflowing and even our cows were big and fat.

5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy kneading-trough. 6 Blessed shalt thou be in thy coming in, and blessed shalt thou be in thy going out.

The rest of the world blessed us when we came to them and when we left. We were helping Europe rebuild from the war, we were helping defend countries from attack and we were the major charitable donor to the poor.

7 Jehovah will give up, smitten before thee, thine enemies that rise up against thee; they shall come out against thee one way, and by seven ways shall they flee before thee.

The Japanese, Italians and Germans all fled from us. Today we flee from the Vietnamese and the Afghanis.

8 Jehovah will command blessing on thee in thy granaries, and in all the business of thy hand; and he will bless thee in the land which Jehovah thy God giveth thee.


The US is called the breadbasket of the world. More than any other country our granaries have been blessed and it is a major source of our power.

9 Jehovah will establish thee unto himself a holy people as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou keep the commandments of Jehovah thy God, and walk in his ways. 10 And all peoples of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of Jehovah, and they shall be afraid of thee. 11 And Jehovah will give thee abundance of good, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land that Jehovah swore unto thy fathers to give thee. 12 Jehovah will open to thee his good treasure, the heavens, to give rain unto thy land in its season, and to bless all the work of thy hand; and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow.

This was our case, but no longer. We are a major debtor nation now. I grew up in Norman Rockwell's America (he went to my high school). His paintings remind me quite a bit of what it was like then, compare that to now.

13 And Jehovah will make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if thou hearken unto the commandments of Jehovah thy God, which I command thee this day, to keep and to do them, 14 and if thou turn not aside from any of the words that I command thee this day, to the right hand or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.


I would say that the period between 1963 to 1973 was the peak of the blessings to the US. The assassination of JFK was the turning aside to worship the god of war. The military industrial complex began to become ascendant from those days on. Since those days we have fabricated reasons to go to war just so our military war machine would get a fresh infusion of government orders and so we could display all our weapons for sale. 1963 was also when prayer was taken out of schools. This was followed by Roe v. Wade. The legalization of abortion is a form of worship of Baal (your career) and Molech (fornication). We also had Watergate and the oil crisis of 1973. Harbingers of things to come. Malcolm X was assassinated, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated, Medgar Evers was assassinated. Because we let killers into our country to run it they ultimately brought us to the defeat in Vietnam, the various scandals in other countries, and 911. They were crooks, we could see that with the mortgage meltdown in 2008. They robbed us blind. That expression, to be robbed blind, comes from this chapter: 29 At midday you will grope about like a blind person in the dark. You will be unsuccessful in everything you do; day after day you will be oppressed and robbed, with no one to rescue you.