Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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There are a variety of links I post on this thread that don't agree with each. Other prophecy club thinks a pre tribulation rapture is unscriptural, S4C Community, Pastor Sandy, is adamant proponent of a pre tribulation rapture. Steve Fletcher has his own somewhat bizarre interpretation of these end days. I am not interested in silencing a voice over this particular doctrine because even if you are a proponent of a pre tribulation rapture (and I am) I still believe there will be Christians here during the tribulation. It is important to minister to both groups. It becomes evident to me how these interpretations cloud our understanding of the dreams and visions.

For example -- there is a dream/vision in here of Christians in an amusement park that ran out of food so everyone left without shoes. He interprets this to mean they are all hungry during the tribulation, hence his ministry to provide wheatberries.

I would interpret this to mean that Christianity is like a big amusement park with all kinds of gimmicks to draw people in but without food. These believers are hungry for the word of God and not having their feet shod with the gospel of peace indicates they are not evangelizing the world according to the great commission.

It is possible that both interpretations are true.

Still my main burden is to get a sense of what Christians are saying and focused on at this time, not those who are asleep, but those who are watching. One thing is undeniable, Pastor Sandy, Steve Fletcher and Prophecy Club are all "watching" right now.
 

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Proverbs 22:1-8 -- The issue with Capitalism

A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold.

This is the fundamental problem with capitalism. Corporations are supposed to only be focused on great riches. Studies have shown that this causes corporations to act as psychopaths. If corporations are indeed "persons," their mental condition can accurately be described as pathological. Corporations have no innate moral impulses, and in fact they exist solely for the purpose of making money. As such, these "persons" are systemically driven to do whatever is necessary to increase revenues and profits, with no regard for ethical issues that might nag real people. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/why-corporations-are-psychotic

2 Rich and poor have this in common: The Lord is the Maker of them all.

I have met billionaires, I have met people who were royalty, I have met the family of famous rock stars like the Rolling Stones, I have met people who were royalty but have been deposed, and I have met people who were poor, uneducated, and happy to make minimum wage. What is amazing is how similar they all are. If you gave them all the same clothes and put them in a lineup I would not be able to tell them apart. Some of the dumbest people I ever met were making $100,000 or more a month. Some of the most ordinary people I have ever met were the kids of the elites.

3 The prudent see danger and take refuge,
but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.

Think about Bernie Madoff. The man was very wealthy and very successful before he even started his ponzi scheme. Why do it? Why trade a good name for riches, and very temporary riches at that. It wasn’t the prudent thing to do, it tells me he was “simple”. Surely once he started down this path he kept going until he had to pay the penalty.

4 Humility is the fear of the Lord; its wages are riches and honor and life.

I suspect this is the big issue. Bernie Madoff lacked humility. He probably had a bad quarter and rather than admit to it, rather than let people see “he wasn’t all that” he thought he could cheat. Cook the books and as long as many people signed up for his fund he would be able to cover anyone wishing to pull money out.

5 In the paths of the wicked are snares and pitfalls, but those who would preserve their life stay far from them.

You see this as a teacher, some kids choose to cheat. That is the path they take and on that path there are snares and pitfalls. As long as Madoff could sign up more new money than people leaving he could keep up the illusion. The first snare is that the only way to do that is to have higher reported earnings than everyone else. Investing the money is risky, you could always have a bad quarter. You have to be opaque because at the end of each quarter you will have to have some bogus set of trades that shows you were getting better returns than the rest of the street. Your fund will grow into billions and billions but you don’t need research, anyone involved with the company would learn it was a sham. One lie becomes ten and ten lies become a thousand. All it takes is for one lie to become exposed and the whole house of cards collapses. It is very easy to turn down this path, but once you do it is very difficult to leave it and after only a few months it would be impossible to leave without confessing to your crime, destroying the entire company and going to jail.

6 Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it.

Compare Bernie Madoff with Warren Buffet. From a young age he saw profitable businesses as cash machines. As a kid he invested in a vending machine and realized it was like a box which you go to each day and get money out of. He took this approach to investing, and his life became very simple. Find a good business, understand it, realize it is like a stock that will keep spitting out money each month, and buy it. Gillette razor blades, Coca Cola, Car insurance. Those are the things he invested in and then spent much of his time playing bridge. No worries, just profit. If there was a bad month he had no problem putting out those numbers. In one meeting he said he wanted to thank his personal trainer but the man begged him not to. It was a self effacing joke that demonstrates a guy who is humble.

7 The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave to the lender.

This is the point. How do you make slaves? You lend money to them. At one point in my life my Dad told me he was shocked at how little money I had (he disapproved of me being a full time Christian evangelist). I said that is true, but I don’t have any debts. How many people can say that? How many are “debt free”? Biden’s policies are designed to make the US slaves. He might argue that the US was already on this path before he became president. That may be true but no one has embraced borrowing money (spending money you don’t have) more than he has.

8 Whoever sows injustice reaps calamity, and the rod they wield in fury will be broken.

What a great picture of today. The two impeachments of Trump were injustice, the lies and slander about the previous administration were injustice, the election fraud is injustice. They will reap for everything they have done. The first time I ever voted it was Jimmy Carter versus Ronald Reagan. I thought no way I am voting for a Hollywood actor, I’ll vote for a Christian, and voted for Jimmy Carter. However, four years later I had changed my mind and voted for Reagan in his second term. Do you think anyone who didn’t vote for Biden is going to change their mind and vote for him (or Kamala Harris) in four years? There is no way. How about those who voted for Biden/Harris because they were with the #MeToo movement? It is very likely they will change their mind. How about those who voted for Biden/Harris because they felt Trump’s border policy was a human rights abuse. No doubt they will change their mind. How about many of the minorities who bought into the idea that Biden/Harris would improve their lives? We are going to have massive inflation, high unemployment and we will be swamped with immigrants taking low wage jobs. These four years will be a disaster for the poor and many of them will also change their mind. They are going to reap calamity. Also look at the rod they are wielding in fury accusing Trump supporters of insurrection, talking about reprogramming 75 million Americans, threatening to quarantine the entire state of Florida, or punish Georgia. This rod of “cancel culture” will be broken. MLB, NBA and NFL ratings are already down 40% across the board. Biden claimed he was far more experienced than Trump and would be much better at foreign diplomacy. How is that working out? War between Israel and Iran has already reignited, the exit from Afghanistan was a complete failure and humiliation, and now China appears to be emboldened to attack Taiwan.
 

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Proverbs 22:9-16 The Sluggard says there is a lion outside

9 The generous will themselves be blessed, for they share their food with the poor.

In the US the media and powers that be have tried to present a narrative of white versus all the various shades of brown, black, red and yellow. If you are part of the 1% you don’t want a 99% vs 1%, you would much rather have the 99% fighting among themselves. Generally it is 50/50 between white and all the various minorities. Divide and conquer is the strategy. However, in my experience it is never about white, black, brown, yellow or red. It is about some people being generous and some aren’t.

10 Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.

Trump was mocked for four years. If you don’t know what “the mocker” is just consider how the media, tech platforms and comedians treated Trump. You might think this is how comedians and the press treat all politicians. Really? There is a whole lot of material they could be using against Biden and Harris which they aren’t. I think many felt that Trump was the source, if you remove him from office we will get rid of strife, quarrels and insults. Well that didn’t happen, instead it has intensified by a factor of ten. Trump never suggested deprogramming 60 million Americans who voted for Hillary, many Democrats have done that. Trump never required the military to take a loyalty oath Biden is doing that. Trump never suggested quarantining an entire state, Biden did that. Trump never encouraged punishing a state for passing voting integrity laws, Biden did that. Biden is the one who left 15,000 Americans and 100,000 Afghanis behind for the Taliban, Trump never would have done that.

11 One who loves a pure heart and who speaks with grace will have the king for a friend.

Love one another, keep on loving one another. Satan is the one who is sowing hate, the best way to stand against that is to love with a pure heart and speak with grace. Don’t stoop to their level.

12 The eyes of the Lord keep watch over knowledge, but he frustrates the words of the unfaithful.

CNN has been unfaithful and their words are being frustrated by the expose from Project Veritas. The two impeachments of Trump were based on the testimony from the unfaithful and their words have been frustrated. January 6th was a false flag event and Revolver news is doing a wonderful job of exposing that. Every day more and more people discover the media is lying to them. Their ratings are dropping and more and more people are waking up to the lies and the deceit. At this point Biden's base of support is around 30% of the country, that is lower than Nixon was when he resigned.

13 The sluggard says, “There’s a lion outside! I’ll be killed in the public square!”

Why does it say sluggard and not coward? Too many are just too lazy to get the truth. They get scared because the Cancel Culture screams and shouts. But they are a paper lion. I went to a “Stop the Steal” rally in Washington DC and there were Antifa there to attack and threaten us. The problem was they were outnumbered 5,000 to 1. They were a paper lion. After that I went to another rally in Atlanta and this time they were better organized. They were dressed for battle, all carrying bats, they had trash can lids for shields, they had helmets. But they were still outnumbered 200:1, not only so but many in the rally were also prepared and were carrying guns to protect the crowd (Georgia, unlike Washington DC is open carry). The people who are “scared” of the “cancel culture” are sluggards. If they would actually do a little research before they listen to these thugs they would realize they were a paper tiger before bowing to them. MLB took a 40% hit to their ratings as a result of bowing to the Cancel Culture.

14 The mouth of an adulterous woman is a deep pit; a man who is under the Lord’s wrath falls into it.

Wow! Why are some people deceived by these liars in the media along with the corrupt politicians? They are under the Lord’s wrath! To my understanding what is happening is like refining silver. All the dross is gathering together to be removed by the Lord. If you are under the Lord’s wrath you will fall for Pelosi, and CNN and the Squad.

15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.

Look at who the most foolish ones are, they are “children”. When I was in Atlanta I could see the twenty or so Antifa who wanted to start a fight, and I could see the thousands who were there for the Stop the Steal rally. The Antifa were all in their twenties, foolish children. The men in the rally with the rifles looked like men, some were cops, some were military. Less than a hundred yards away was a gang of thugs with baseball bats and I didn’t have the slightest fear, in fact there were women with small children and babies in the crowd and no one was the slightest bit nervous. There were real warriors defending the perimeter.

16 One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich—both come to poverty.

Biden’s policies do both. Opening the border guarantees a large supply of cheap labor, that will oppress the poor in America. His $6 trillion in government packages is gifts to the rich. He will bring this country to poverty.
 

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The Two Witnesses

John 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe.


John the Baptist, who was Elijah who is to come, came to testify concerning the light that through him all might believe. This is what the two witnesses do during the tribulation.

John 5:39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me,

The scriptures, the law and the prophets, testify concerning Jesus. They are the two witnesses.

Luke 9:30 Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. 31 They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem.

His departure -- his crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection and ascension? Yes, all of that is spoken of in the law and prophets. How about the way of salvation? Yes. These are our two witnesses, not men. The men who deliver this are irrelevant. What is a witness, the only thing that is relevant is what they witnessed, not who they are.

Revelation 11:3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”


To prophesy means to speak forth, to speak for, and to speak beforehand. A press secretary is a "prophet" for the president. The witnesses are simply the press secretary for Jesus.
 

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Thirty Lessons on how to overcome the accuser of the brethren

Saying 1

17 Pay attention and turn your ear to the sayings of the wise; apply your heart to what I teach, 18 for it is pleasing when you keep them in your heart and have all of them ready on your lips. 19 So that your trust may be in the Lord, I teach you today, even you. 20 Have I not written thirty sayings for you, sayings of counsel and knowledge, 21 teaching you to be honest and to speak the truth, so that you bring back truthful reports to those you serve?

Think of this as the Black Belt coaching for people to battle Satan. The first lesson is always about balance. They try to get you off balance, say something that is not honest and then they will jump on that. When cops question a suspect they can lie with impunity, but if the suspect says one lie they will jump on that. No one cares that those in authority lied. So rule #1 speak the truth. Jesus Christ is the truth. The only way to stay balanced is to speak Jesus Christ.

Saying 2

22 Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, 23 for the Lord will take up their case and will exact life for life.

You crush things that are much smaller than you. You can crush an ant. Remember, compared to the Lord you are the ant. Treat others the way you want to be treated. I don’t want to be crushed by the Lord so therefore I do not crush others. This is the golden rule of the Lord’s judgement (the corollary to the golden rule).

Saying 3

24 Do not make friends with a hot-tempered person, do not associate with one easily angered, 25 or you may learn their ways and get yourself ensnared.

These first rules are all defensive. Speak truth, remember you are the ant, fear the Lord and watch out for snares and traps. Most Christians who wish to be in spiritual warfare are not serious about that, they don’t think that the enemy is trying to lay a trap for them. Instead of speaking Jesus they retreat and say nothing. The best defense is a good offense. If the enemy tries to sift you it will be in court, He is the accuser of the brethren. He will try and take some word or action of yours and use it to condemn you. So then, fill the pages with words about Jesus. The minute He quotes you in court He opens the door for you to use every single word you have spoken, He has made it relevant. Turn his accusation of you into an opportunity to speak the gospel. Second be humble. I love what Michael Jordan said, knowing what he knows now he never would have agreed to the “Be like Mike” campaign. That campaign is not humble. As long as you view yourself as an ant they can’t cut you down to size, you are already as small as they can make you.

Saying 4

26 Do not be one who shakes hands in pledge or puts up security for debts; 27 if you lack the means to pay, your very bed will be snatched from under you.

In other words be prudent. If they can’t get you with bad companions they will try using a scam artist. I once talked to a man who was a scam artist, he said he appealed to people’s greed. The way you avoid being taken in a scam is you deal with your greed, your desire to “get rich quick”.

Saying 5

28 Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by your ancestors.


Our ancestors gave us the Constitution. The Bill of Rights are our ancient boundary stones. Treat those as sacred. The only way to move them is by a 2/3rd majority in both the House and the Senate. Treat that as gospel. Our ancestors were the 12 apostles, the New Testament is our boundary stone. Do not twist or change that word. Do not say that some of those verses are out of date, this is the twentieth century. No, the proper response is “I am an ant, I may not understand this verse, but who am I to presume to move it”.

Saying 6

29 Do you see someone skilled in their work? They will serve before kings; they will not serve before officials of low rank.


Finally, if you are ambitious that is fine, focus that ambition on becoming skilled in your work.
 

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Mark 3:1-7 Is it lawful to do good or to do evil? To save life or to kill?

There is an interpretation of the four gospels that Matthew is the message to those who will be the last to be taken during the end of the age (the first shall be last and the last first), Mark is for lukewarm church which will be taken in the middle of the tribulation and Luke is for those who are raptured at the beginning of the tribulation. Therefore we see some interesting differences in this section from Matthew and Luke.

1 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there.


In Matthew we get an outsider's perspective of Jesus and His disciples in a field picking grains and we look on this scene and ask how come His disciples are breaking the sabbath. That is missing in Mark because these ones are not picking the grains. They are not looking at little words sprinkled throughout the Bible that open up the teaching on the end of the age. In Mark this teaching begins with the man with the shriveled hand. They have been told in this church that “no one knows the day nor the hour” and so they have allowed that teaching to keep them from picking the grains which in turn causes their hand to be shriveled.

2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.” 4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

Stand up in front of everyone. If you want to get healed you will need to take a stand, not about the rapture, not about eschatology, not about any of that. You will need to take a stand on one basic question: is it lawful to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill? Right now we are seeing some incredibly weird laws. Trump was impeached because of an allegation that he was asking the leader of Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden for corruption as a way to influence the election. This accusation caused the media and the Democrats to become outraged over the implication, yet in September we were given physical evidence that Hunter Biden had sold influence to his father who was Vice President at the time and not one word. No outrage, in fact nothing other than to do everything in their power to ignore it. A week prior to the election Hillary Clinton is very vocal and public that Joe Biden is not to concede “under any circumstances”. This was the rallying cry to the Democrats, bringing tears to many of their eyes as they heard this. One week later they are outraged that Trump has not conceded because they are appealing alleged voter fraud in the key states that determined this election. The mainstream media says there is no evidence of voter fraud to which the President’s press secretary holds up 234 signed affidavits alleging 11,000 incidents of voter fraud. So they change that to there is no evidence of “widespread voter fraud” to which Giuliani responds with evidence of several million votes for Trump that were either deleted or switched to Joe Biden by the Dominion software used to tally the votes, software that Clinton, Pelosi and Feinstein have an ownership stake in and which also has ties to China. We see attorney generals in numerous states doing everything they possibly can to prevent audits of their election, why? We were told there would be no vaccine mandates only for them to now have vaccine mandates in many places. Biden announced that Afghanis would be given priority over Americans in evacuating them from Afghanistan. Biden tried to charge Americans $2,000 each for the evacuation flight before the outrage shut that down.

At the end of the age a simple question that you must stand up for: is it legal to do good or to do evil? During the campaign right up to election day the media condemned Trump rallies as “super spreader events” then the very next day they are in the streets in massive rallies celebrating Biden’s apparent victory without a peep from the media. Likewise with Obama's 60th birthday celebration. During the lockdown every large gathering was made illegal except for BLM protests. These were advertised via all the social media platforms. The organization raised over a billion dollars, not for charitable work, but for the purpose of electing Democrats. But the day after the election a woman starts a Facebook page to set up protests calling for scrutiny over possible election fraud and Facebook shuts it down because it could provoke violence. The “stop the steal” rallies are distinctive for their protestors kneeling prayer, but they are outlawed by Facebook because they might provoke violence. Yet they never outlawed the BLM protests that were often marked with riots and looting. Take a stand, is it lawful to save life or to kill? “But they remained silent”. How can you not answer that simple question?

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

This event exposed their plots to kill Jesus. The end of this age there will be judgement. You will have those who believe in Jesus receiving judgement and you will also have those who plot to kill Jesus receiving judgement. Before that can happen you have to separate them. Today we see these groups being separated. I saw on Youtube many people at these “stop the steal” protests saying they were Democrats, they weren’t there to support Trump rather they were there to support the US constitution and a free and fair election.

7 Jesus withdrew with his disciples to the lake, and a large crowd from Galilee followed.

Right now you have to withdraw from the mainstream media and these big tech platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Instead there are smaller platforms like Rumble that you can use, and other sources of news like Next News, NTD, Sky news, Dailywire, etc.
 

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Mark 3:8-35 They are guilty of an eternal sin

8 When they heard about all he was doing, many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon. 9 Because of the crowd he told his disciples to have a small boat ready for him, to keep the people from crowding him. 10 For he had healed many,so that those with diseases were pushing forward to touch him. 11 Whenever the impure spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” 12 But he gave them strict orders not to tell others about him. 13 Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. 14 He appointed twelve that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach 15 and to have authority to drive out demons. 16 These are the twelve he appointed: Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter), 17 James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means “sons of thunder”), 18 Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot 19 and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

Likewise there are some very powerful “preachers” on these platforms. So although many of these are taking a stand for doing good and not for killing, there are also those who are preaching Jesus as well. Also, please note, impure spirits cannot tell others about Jesus, this honor is only for His saints.

20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”

This is funny. Everyone talks about that crazy uncle at Thanksgiving that “is out of his mind”. When my family was celebrating Biden’s “win” I responded that “yes, this is a very exciting election and I have been paying close attention and am very interested to see how it turns out in the end”. That brought a vehement response, I pointed out that CNN and Fox don’t get to call elections, the GSA does. Again, the response was like hitting a hornets nest with a bat, but the kindest thing they might of said is that “he is out of his mind”. Yet here we are a year later and guess what, we still haven't resolved this. Everyday it looks more and more like the election will be overturned.

22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

Now that is what the mainstream media is saying. The ugly, nasty accusations are off the charts. Their hypocrisy is on full display that they would all rally behind Clinton’s cry “do not concede under any circumstances” and then rail against Trump and portray him as Scarface holed up in the oval office. Durham's latest indictment proves that they were complicit and involved.

23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan Drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.

If Trump were "Satan" he couldn't drive out Satan, he couldn't "drain the swamp". This is how you can discern who is who. Is Biden driving out Satan? No. Is there any possibility that he can drive out Satan? No. The nasty, ugly attacks on Trump and his supporters, isn't that how Satan talks, how he acts? However, we also know that Satan's end has come when you see them opposing themselves. When you see them take out Cuomo, or attack Biden, this is evidence that their end has come. You see this in all the gangster movies with the iconic "you dirty rat". When the end comes they all abandon ship and try to save themselves.

27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house.


During the end of this age the Lord is going to plunder the strong man’s house, that is a reference to the rapture and the Lord coming as a thief. For the lukewarm church the Lord comes as a thief. But first, before the rapture, you must tie up the strong man. Bind him, throw him in prison. That is what we are seeing right now. That is what the “stop the steal” protests are all about. That is what Giuliani and hundreds of affidavits, witness testimonies, and physical evidence are all about. That is what the Pandemic is all about. This pandemic has bound up the strong man and his economy. The audit is binding the strong man, the lies they tell are binding the strong man. Biden blamed the Afghanistan crisis on poor intelligence, the military was out immediately after his speech refuting his lies. Biden claimed that the US is no good at nation building, pundits immediately dug up old video of him promoting "nation building" in Afghanistan. Every lie is used to bind the strong man, that is the problem they face with everything they ever speak being recorded and kept on tape.

28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

You can say that your crazy uncle has lost his mind, that is fine, you can be forgiven of that. But if you say that everyone needs to ignore 234 signed affidavits, if you say that the rest of the country needs to ignore 71 million people, then there is no forgiveness for that. You can be forgiven for supporting BLM in theory but when you see their hypocrisy and corruption and lies and still support them, no forgiveness for that. You can be forgiven for voting for Joe Biden, but once you see his incompetence on full display and how dangerous that is to the safety and security of this country then you can no longer defend him. If you do, there is no forgiveness for that.

30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.”

If you say that following the legal, constitutional process to contest the election in the courts is “impure” and a “coup” then there is no forgiveness for that. They made the accusation that January 6th was an insurrection. Then it was revealed there were no weapons, and then it was revealed that the only people who were killed were killed by the Capital security, that Officer Sicknick was not bludgeoned, he was not killed by bear spray, that all of that was a lie. Then it was revealed that actually the FBI was the one involved in planning and carrying out the insurrection. Now the FBI is trying to say there was no insurrection plan because they want to stop the investigation of what happened. All of a sudden they realize they stepped into the bear trap. You said they had an impure spirit, we are going to investigate that and find out exactly who had the impure spirit.

31 Then Jesus’ mother and brothers arrived.Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. 32 A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, “Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you.” 33 “Who are my mother and my brothers?” he asked. 34 Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 35 Whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother.”

Every believer is concerned that they would be found worthy at the end of the age. Apart from a select few like the Mother Mary we know that all Christians are uneasy about whether or not they will be raptured. So this is a very encouraging word, “whoever does God’s will is my brother and sister and mother”.
 

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A word to the Fatherless

Saying 7

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When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you, 2 and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony. 3 Do not crave his delicacies, for that food is deceptive.

We are still talking about righteousness and having a balanced stance. The last saying said that if you were skilled in your work you will serve before kings, now this one says if you do sit with a ruler or king make sure you are not given to gluttony. This is one of the key lessons we learn from Tom Brady. He was not given to gluttony. He could have demanded a much higher salary but he didn’t. As a result the team was able to afford other key players which played a major role in their winning so many Super Bowls. You always hear about some superstar quarterback giving expensive gifts to his offensive linemen. That is stupid, if he had taken 5 or 6 million less in salary the team could have afforded the best offensive line there is, that in turn would give him a few extra years in the league, better stats, and more wins.

Saying 8


4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich; do not trust your own cleverness. 5 Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings
and fly off to the sky like an eagle.

The goal is not to get rich, it is to be skillful at your job. Larry Bird exemplified this, he was not interested in interviews, talk shows, or advertisers. He understood that the one thing that mattered most was being skillful at his job. There is a story that he was home practicing on the court he had, his girlfriend was told explicitly not to bother him with trivial matters. Sport's Illustrated called and wanted to do a cover story on him so she felt this was important, she called him in off the court. When he discovered the reason he rebuked her, apparently a cover story in Sport's Illustrated was an example of something he felt was trivial.

Saying 9

6 Do not eat the food of a begrudging host, do not crave his delicacies; 7 for he is the kind of person who is always thinking about the cost. “Eat and drink,” he says to you, but his heart is not with you. 8 You will vomit up the little you have eaten and will have wasted your compliments.

Again, let’s learn from Tom Brady. New England would have renewed his contract but they were definitely a begrudging host and wanted him to retire. If you don’t go willingly they can force you out by creating an environment for you to fail. It is the best move to leave gracefully the minute you realize they want you to leave.

Saying 10


9 Do not speak to fools,
for they will scorn your prudent words.

We saw this last year, Trump said that you could treat Covid with Hydrochloroquine and scorn was heaped upon him. Yet he was right, his words were prudent.

Saying 11


10 Do not move an ancient boundary stone or encroach on the fields of the fatherless, 11 for their Defender is strong; he will take up their case against you.

This is a repeat, it is like a refrain. After several sayings about people who are very skilled at their job and yet were not appreciated. Why would New England want to get rid of Tom Brady when he was still playing at an elite level, was an outstanding teammate, and was willing to play at significantly less than market value? He was fatherless just like Joe Montana. In both of their cases the coach was not glorified in their success, instead the debate was over who was most responsible for the success. This is a warning to the coach and the owner, do not try and disrespect a Tom Brady, don’t try to encroach on his field, because his defender is strong. The worst thing for Belechik’s legacy is his attempt to say that Brady was past his prime. This is also the biggest shame to Boston, it reminds us of Babe Ruth and now Tom Brady. Each was the best player in his sport while he played and yet both were despised by Boston teams. Now look at the US, after a year of attacking and tearing down statues of great generals and leaders in US history we see how utterly incompetent and pathetic these "woke" leaders are with the debacle in Afghanistan.
 

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30 Sayings of the Wise continued

So far we have seen all various things that go on before you even get on the field. Don’t be a glutton when negotiating a contract, if they don’t want you it is better to leave, be careful about trying to ruin someone’s career with a bad reference, focus on practice and developing your craft rather than opportunities to cash in.

Saying 12

12 Apply your heart to instruction and your ears to words of knowledge.


This is how you improve. It doesn’t say to listen or even to obey, it says to apply. This means you are taking the instruction and words of knowledge and applying them to your craft. This is what James means when he says “faith without works is dead”. He means you need to apply your faith to your ministry.

Saying 13

13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die. 14 Punish them with the rod and save them from death.

Definitely not politically correct, but very true. People attacked Michael Jordan when the book “Jordan’s Rules” came out portraying him as a bully. He wasn’t a bully, that is absurd, bullies pick on weaker people. He was disciplining his teammates with the rod to save them from collapsing under pressure during the playoffs. He changed the culture from a losing team to a dynasty. I heard Robert Parrish comparing Jordan's leadership to larry Bird. Bird set an example whereas Jordan was much more "in your face" but when Jordan came to Chicago this team had a culture of losing and when Bird went to Boston they had a culture of winning.

Saying 14

15 My son, if your heart is wise, then my heart will be glad indeed; 16 my inmost being will rejoice when your lips speak what is right.

I am always reminded of Seattle versus the New England Patriots in the Superbowl. Seattle had driven down to the goal line at the very end of the game. New England was leading but a touchdown here would win the game for Seattle. They had one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and they had one of the best short yardage running backs in the NFL. It looked like the game was over and then a rookie or 2nd year cornerback made a great play to intercept the ball in the end zone. That interception snatched victory from the jaws of defeat for New England. Later the story came out that the coach had been very tough on this particular player trying to drill into him how to defend this play just days earlier. During the practice you might think the coach has it in for me, but later when you have won the Super Bowl you realize he is rejoicing as much as you are that you acted in a wise way.

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Do not let your heart envy sinners, but always be zealous for the fear of the Lord. 18 There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.

“There is always a future hope for you”. Isn’t that great! The sinner steals something and is dancing and rejoicing, don’t envy them, no, be zealous for the fear of the Lord and there is always a future hope for you. In 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded their star quarterback Jamieson Winston to New Orleans and brought in Tom Brady. During the regular season New Orleans played and beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers twice and you can see Jamieson Winston celebrating those victories. But then they met in the playoffs and Tampa won. Every time you lose use it to motivate you to study your weaknesses and improve them and there is always hope for you.

Saying 16

19 Listen, my son, and be wise, and set your heart on the right path: 20 Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, 21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor,
and drowsiness clothes them in rags.

Again, the focus is on being skillful at what you do. Riches fly away, drunkards and gluttons become poor. The goal is not to get a big fat contract or to be the toast of the town. I hated the New England Patriots, I came up with every reason in the book why Tom Brady is overrated. In the end it was undeniable, I saw the little things he did like not take a big salary and to not think more highly of himself than he ought, and ultimately realized there is a lot more to being successful than just running and throwing.

Saying 17

22 Listen to your father, who gave you life, and do not despise your mother when she is old. 23 Buy the truth and do not sell it— wisdom, instruction and insight as well. 24 The father of a righteous child has great joy; a man who fathers a wise son rejoices in him. 25 May your father and mother rejoice; may she who gave you birth be joyful!


Candace Owens is a black woman who is a pundit. She makes a very strong case that in the US discrimination against blacks is not the issue, the issue for blacks is broken families and fatherless families. One of the ten commandments is to honor your father and mother that it may be well with you (be successful) and that you may live long on the earth (have a long career and a long life). You see this rule proven time and again.

Saying 18

26 My son, give me your heart and let your eyes delight in my ways, 27 for an adulterous woman is a deep pit, and a wayward wife is a narrow well. 28 Like a bandit she lies in wait
and multiplies the unfaithful among men.

You don’t want to slide into a deep pit, you will lose your cart, your horse, everything. Also you don’t want to fall in love with a wayward wife, you will get bruised and it is very difficult to escape. How does she snare a husband? It is as though she were a bandit lying in wait. Not only so but she will multiply the unfaithful, she will teach her children her ways.

Saying 19

29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? 30 Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine. 31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! 32 In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. 33 Your eyes will see strange sights, and your mind will imagine confusing things. 34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. 35 “They hit me,” you will say, “but I’m not hurt! They beat me, but I don’t feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink?”

Why do people turn to the bottle? Perhaps a failed marriage, perhaps a miserable career, etc. If you are envious of sinners you will likely ignore your mother and father, you will get snared by the adulterous woman, get damaged, lose everything and then turn to the bottle.
 

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Mark 13:1-13 When is the Big Day?

1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Every time the gospels take up this burden they put it into this context that not one stone of the temple will be left upon another. We hear this from many different perspectives, a great shaking is another example. The worldly system is a condemned building, it will go up in flames and not one stone will be left upon another. This is a major point for the tribulation and end of the age.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

The question is very clear, and it is a question that many ask, even today. Jesus does not tell them “it is not for you to know”. Instead He goes into great detail about what they need to watch for.

5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Many use the fact that there have been many deceived on this issue as a basis to mock anyone who talks about it. That is a mistake, when the rapture comes it will be a great testimony to the world that Jesus Christ is king and that He is the savior of the world. This is because everyone on earth knows that the rapture is part of our basic teachings. To ignore it or be ashamed of it because previous people have been deceived is precisely Satan’s strategy. Others will take the fact that many have been deceived as an excuse not to study it because “who can know” and “there are too many interpretations”. The Lord told you this would be the case. The fact that there are is a fulfillment of prophecy, it is also an indication of how big a deal this is to Satan. In football I was taught to “fight the pressure”. If they are trying to push you one way you want to fight against that pressure. Satan is clearly trying everything in his arsenal to get the saints to talk about anything but the rapture. This is also how you get deceived. Convincing you to ignore this is a win for Satan. Jesus, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, Jude, none of these guys ignored this. When you are in a game like football or basketball the coaches will practice 2 minute drills repeatedly, because they don’t want any confusion at that moment in the game. Scam artists will use different techniques to get you to fear that you have to act now or lose all hope. When you are fearful your thinking brain shuts down and all you have left is the “fight or flight” response. It is “yes or no”. So then, we are much better served if we dive into this, think about it soberly and don’t allow ourselves to be in a time crunch where you don’t have the time. That is also how many are deceived.

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

There are a lot of things that must happen in this age. Jesus is Lord, so all the human kingdoms have to be exposed as corrupt and dead. It was essential that the US would be formed with our constitution. World War II was critical to serve as an atonement and open the door for the Jewish nation to be reformed. We needed Hitler to prefigure the Antichrist. We also needed the technological advancements that we saw in the Gulf War. The church age is also the age of scientific advancement. All these things “must needs be”. But now we have something completely new "rumors of war". For six thousand years if you went to war everyone knew it, there were swords and horses, and guns and dead people. But now we have cyber attacks, we have all of this CIA stuff, all this deep state stuff, all of this bioweapons stuff. Was the Pandemic an act of war? Right now it is simply a rumor of war.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


The beginning of sorrows. The comparison of the end of the age to a woman in travail giving birth is one overriding theme. A pregnancy involves a lot, not just the last day of travail. The New Testament makes it clear that believers must go through a fiery tribulation. This age has had many, you didn’t have to wait until the tribulation to go through trials.

9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.


The purpose of preaching the gospel is not simply so that the lost can be saved. There are those that will reject the gospel. They cannot be judged without a testimony against them. It doesn’t matter if the gospel is received or rejected, the fact that it is preached is effective and that word will not return void.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Do not despise the written word. We need to speak the word and we need to publish the word. People use the word in Matthew that it must be preached, but that is not the word in Mark. Here it simply must be published. Because of the internet the gospel has certainly been published among all nations. This is a prophecy that could not have been fulfilled prior to this age with the internet.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

You might be intimidated, but the Holy Spirit isn’t. This is the opportunity He wanted, let Him speak.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

So if you want an idea of how bad it will be there you go.
 

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Matthew 10:19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Mark 13:11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 12:11 “When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

Two things, first, the Holy Spirit wants this opportunity to speak and give a strong testimony, do not shy away, just let the Spirit speak. Second, I find it very interesting that in Matthew and Mark He talks about the believers being arrested and brought to trial, but in Luke we are simply speaking to the synagogues, rulers and authorities. Right now that is what we are doing. We may get censored and suspended from Facebook or Twitter, we may be shunned from the mainstream media, we may get insulted by Biden, but we stand strong and speak the word. However, once the tribulation begins they will turn the screws, you will be arrested and even beheaded. Do not worry beforehand, just say whatever is given you at the time.
 

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1John 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

This verse suddenly hit me, "even now many antichrists have come". We are so focused on "the" antichrist we have missed the fact that there are an army of antichrists. You can't perpetrate this election fraud, and perpetrate this plandemic, and create a killer vaccine without many antichrists.
 

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Let's look at some of these hysterical utterings from the pandemic being a bioweapon, claims about HCQ and Ivermectin, Masks, Insurance company CEOs, and other doctors and whistleblowers.

HYSTERICAL UTTERINGS OF THE COVID CONSPIRACY GANG

Steve Bannon is probably the captain of this gang as he started a tin foil hat conspiracy podcast January 2020 claiming, get this, that there was a virus in China that could become a pandemic.

Then Steve Bannon brought so called experts and whistleblowers onto his podcast making the hysterical claim that the virus was started in a Bioweapons lab in China! Fortunately for us saner minds like Fauci were able to put this fire out referencing a letter to the Lancet saying that there was no evidence that it came from the Bioweapons lab and that the real origin was a bat cave hundreds of miles away. Granted this letter has since been discredited as pure bunk, but their heart was in the right place.

But then things started to get dangerous, Trump in a desperate move told us we could use HCQ! Can you believe that? HCQ is bleach [you have to use a concentration that 10,000x greater than what you would take but still]. Think how dangerous this is. Of course Fauci outlawed the use of HCQ but 3rd world nations like Africa did use it. Granted these dirt poor African nations have completely avoided the pandemic and they have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the world around 2-3% but all of that is anecdotal. They point out irrelevant things like 10,000 tylenol would kill you on the spot or that HCQ has been used for 50 years and has been shown to be safe and effective.

Then you have Dr. Zelenko, another one pushing the fake news. Trump had a very bad case of Covid and he treated him and Trump was better in a day. That is the only reason anyone even pays attention to this guy, that and the fact that he has treated tens of thousands who also had Covid. This is the guy who used Ivermectin! What's next, horse tranquilizer? Sure, he has had a remarkable run of success, probably just luck, and once again Fauci had to step in with his saner approach of making it illegal for Doctors to prescribe this. If only Fauci had authority over the whole world because India used Ivermectin. We are talking catastrophic effects, even though they avoided Covid to a large extent. This however, is not Africa, yes India has some of the most crowded slums in the world just like Africa, but they are not a 3rd world nation. The catastrophic impact of the success of Ivermectin in India is that now no one trusts Fauci!

Don't get me started on masks. These nut jobs claim they don't work because of some peer reviewed scientific articles. That is like saying a teddy bear doesn't work to comfort little children. They also claim all kinds of physical and mental harm to kids who wear them all day, why, just because of a bunch of right wing scientists doing peer reviewed studies?

But we haven't gotten to the worst rantings! A CEO from an insurance company pointed out that after the vaccinations we had a 40% spike in deaths among 18-64 year olds compared to the pandemic year and of course the looney tunes put 2 and 2 together and said this was due to the vaccine. Other doctors have come forward to say they have seen a huge spike in myocarditis, this despite trying to shut them up by firing them, and it doesn't help that we have had over 100 professional soccer players collapse with myocarditis. Can anyone say "coincidence, coincidence, coincidence, coincidence". This is key point, if you want to say the Covid Conspiracy gang is making hysterical utterances then you must believe in coincidences.
 

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Luke 3:

5 Every valley shall be filled,
And every mountain and hill shall be brought low;
And the crooked shall become straight,
And the rough ways smooth;

6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

All three synoptic gospels have similar accounts of John the Baptist's ministry, however, only Luke has this prophesy. The other two gospels conclude with "make his paths straight". This indicates that Luke is to those who do the prep work for this highway. You have mountains (the elites) and you have valleys (the deplorables) and in Luke they bring these elites low and they fill in the valleys. Right now we see this happening. News story after news story is exposing the elites, it is bringing them down. Likewise, protest and rally after protest and rally like the stop the steal rallies and the Trucker protest are filling in the valleys. People are discovering how essential the "deplorables" are.

The crooked shall become straight. When we look at the election process it is extremely crooked and I am at this moment watching Mike Lindell bring in thousand and thousands of affidavits of fraud.

The rough ways smooth -- we have seen this as well. We saw school board meetings that were "rough". Arresting a father who was complaining about his daughter being raped and the school board covering it up. In another meeting they wouldn't let a father speak because he wasn't "diverse" enough since he was white.

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God. How do you see the salvation of God? You see lives transformed, you see these transformed people make the rough ways smooth, and make the crooked become straight.