Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Wisdom is too high for fools

Saying 23

7 Wisdom is too high for fools; in the assembly at the gate they must not open their mouths.


Why do you think they want to censor you? They are unable to debate openly, they get exposed as fools.

Saying 24

8 Whoever plots evil will be known as a schemer. 9 The schemes of folly are sin, and people detest a mocker.

This was Trump’s error: he was a mocker. He thought it was his skill, talking about “sleepy Joe” or “little Rubio” or how thirsty someone was. People detest a mocker. If Trump had refrained from mocking others he would have been more popular and far less “unpopular”. The problem was that many people detested him to the point they were willing to scheme to get him out of power.

Saying 25

10 If you falter in a time of trouble, how small is your strength! 11 Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. 12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?


I have been very impressed with those who have not faltered in time of trouble. Mike Lindell, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon, etc. They have been working every day to hold back those staggering toward slaughter. There are clearly people who think the best thing to do right now is to keep your head down, don’t make waves, and hope everything passes. That is foolish. The only reason Cancel culture, censoring, and all the other heinous things that are being done even can happen is because of the “silent majority”. If 50 or 60% of this country would raise their voices in opposition to all these things then this would be over immediately. The best way to deal with a bully is to punch him in the nose.

Let's consider a specific example of this. There are those who use the smallpox and polio vaccine as an example of why we should accept the vaccine mandate.

No one is denying that the vaccine that eliminated smallpox or polio were great developments. All we are saying is that bringing them is as support for the vaccine mandate is idiotic.

1. Both of those vaccines took 50 years to develop, had several attempts that were neither safe nor effective and it wasn't until we had 12 years of data that we mandated them. Therefore they are evidence that supports the vaccine hesitant that are arguing against a vaccine mandate of an Experimental vaccine.

2. Was there ever a pandemic in human history that was ended with a vaccine? No. Your use of the smallpox vaccine suggests you may not understand that and have confused the two issues.

3. What has always worked in the past is human immunity, staying home if you are sick with symptoms, and treatments that help boost the immune system. I have used HCQ twice and both times it worked remarkably well. Not just for me but also for my wife and son. We have learned that there is a direct correlation between how serious you get sick from Covid and how much vitamin D you have in your system. Take vitamin D and you won't end up in the ICU. We have also learned that Quercetin and Zinc is a very powerful way to boost your immune system to viral infections.

4. There is a reason that using a vaccine is not only not going to work at putting an end to the pandemic but could actually cause new and deadlier variants. We know the virus mutates rapidly. We also know there are hundreds of millions of people worldwide who are infected with one variant or another and we know the vaccine does not give you immunity to the entire virus but only one piece of it. So a variant like Delta or Omicron will arise and there is no protection. All you are doing with this vaccine is creating an environment where variants will be favored.

Also, they have snarky remarks about using bleach is simply a fool being a parrot for foolishness. HCQ is used as a bleach at a concentration of 10,000x greater than what you use as a therapeutic. Try taking 10,000 tylenol and see how long you last.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. 23 Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy: for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for in the same manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

This is fascinating, this is not in the book of Mark. In Luke you are blessed if this happens because it is your choice to follow the Lord, during the tribulation it will no longer be your choice, so there is no blessing associated with it. Therefore we can see this verse as a prophecy of what the tribulation will be like and also a confirmation that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Another fascinating difference between Mark and Luke

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire. 50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost its saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace one with another.


Both Mark and Luke have the part about Salt being good and not losing your saltiness. But only Mark says that everyone shall be salted with fire. This corresponds to the promise to the church in Philadelphia that they would be kept from the tribulation that was going to come on the whole earth. Once again, evidence that Mark is for those who go into the tribulation while Luke is for the church in Philadelphia.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 8:16 And no man, when he hath lighted a lamp, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but putteth it on a stand, that they that enter in may see the light.

Another fascinating example, both Luke and Mark say the same thing about the lamp being put on a stand. The church is a lampstand. But that is not what Matthew says.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a lamp, and put it under the bushel, but on the stand; and it shineth unto all that are in the house. 16 Even so let your light shine before men; that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

This is clearly a word to the city of Jerusalem.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 12:57 And why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right? 58 For as thou art going with thine adversary before the magistrate, on the way give diligence to be quit of him; lest haply he drag thee unto the judge, and the judge shall deliver thee to the officer, and the officer shall cast thee into prison. 59 I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou have paid the very last mite.

Wow! This verse is not in the gospel of Mark! The saints who go through the tribulation they are paying the last mite. They were not diligent to judge what is right.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113

Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of Jehovah, ye that tremble at his word: Your brethren that hate you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, have said, Let Jehovah be glorified, that we may see your joy; but it is they that shall be put to shame. 6 A voice of tumult from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of Jehovah that rendereth recompense to his enemies.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 6:29 To him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and from him that taketh away thy cloak withhold not thy coat also. 30 Give to every one that asketh thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

Here is another verse that is not in Mark. Again, the concept is the same, prior to the tribulation you get to embrace this voluntarily, if not you will be forced to embrace it during the tribulation. We know that the point of the Mark of the Beast is to take away all your goods from you and to smite you if you refuse to worship the beast. You had the chance to do this voluntarily but there are many Christians that have compromised with the world. They think they are far wiser than the Jesus freaks who just make all Christians look bad.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Here is another verse that is in both Matthew and Luke but not in Mark. In Luke the believers have the choice, in Mark they don't. Why did many believers not get raptured prior to the tribulation, because they tried to serve two masters.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Key years in Biblical Prophecy (see post 3,544)

1. 1917 -- End of WWI, End of Ottoman Empire, Balfour Declaration

2. 2001 -- the year of 9/11, caused greatest stock market crash, exactly 12 Shemita cycles from 1917

3. 2008 -- one shemita cycle later, epic financial collapse unlike anything we had seen up till then.

4. 2022 --> go backwards in time and you would determine that Jesus died in the year 27 AD, 69 Shemitah cycles from that is 456 BC.

5. 2029 -- Would this be the year that ushers in the millenial reign exactly 12 shemita cycles from 1945?

2029 is 286 Shemita cycles from Jesus crucifixion.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released: 38 give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, shall they give into your bosom. For with what measure ye mete it shall be measured to you again. 39 And he spake also a parable unto them, Can the blind guide the blind? shall they not both fall into a pit? 40 The disciple is not above his teacher: but every one when he is perfected shall be as his teacher. 41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 42 Or how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me cast out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.

Wow, I love the comparison with Mark. In Mark there is no warning about the blind guiding the blind and both falling into the pit. Nor is there the warning about beholding the mote in your brother's eye. In other words, if you are in the tribulation you have already fallen into the pit, you were led by the blind guide, there is no point in warning about that any more.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Mark 13:9 But take ye heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in synagogues shall ye be beaten; and before governors and kings shall ye stand for my sake, for a testimony unto them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached unto all the nations. 11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit. 12 And brother shall deliver up brother to death, and the father his child; and children shall rise up against parents, and cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.

This account is only in Mark. It sounds very much like what will happen during the tribulation.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 9:57 And as they went on the way, a certain man said unto him, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 58 Jesus said unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the heaven have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60 But he said unto him, Leave the dead to bury their own dead; but go thou and publish abroad the kingdom of God. 61 And another also said, I will follow thee, Lord; but first suffer me to bid farewell to them that are at my house. 62 But Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

This is not in Mark, again think of the Gospel of Mark to those in the tribulation. It is completely unnecessary to say this because it is obvious. At that time if you want to follow the Lord you won't have any place to lay your head.

This is the problem, many Christians have wanted to have their cake (salvation) and eat it to (enjoy this world). They have nice jobs, well funded churches, and so they didn't want to hear about the Lord, or His coming, or the word, and they pressured the pastors to just tell them what they wanted to hear. So then prior to the tribulation you need this warning, but once the tribulation takes place this word is no longer necessary.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Luke 12:51 Think ye that I am come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 for there shall be from henceforth five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 They shall be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother in law against her daughter in law, and daughter in law against her mother in law.

Here is another example of a verse that is in Luke but not in Mark. If you were in the tribulation you would not be thinking anything like this. You would already know about the division. No one would be thinking that to be a Christian was to "give peace in the earth". Already they use this "thought" to condemn those who would not get the vaccine or who are protesting against the mandate. "Good Christians would bring peace" and other non biblical garbage.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Compare the situation before the tribulation with the situation in the tribulation

Luke 3:19 but Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother’s wife, and for all the evil things which Herod had done, 20 added this also to them all, that he shut up John in prison.

This is the full account of John the Baptist in Luke, compare that with the account in Mark

Mark 6:17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife; for he had married her. 18For John said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother’s wife. 19 And Herodias set herself against him, and desired to kill him; and she could not; 20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and kept him safe. And when he heard him, he was much perplexed; and he heard him gladly. 21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, and the high captains, and the chief men of Galilee; 22 and when the daughter of Herodias herself came in and danced, she pleased Herod and them that sat at meat with him; and the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee. 23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom. 24 And she went out, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptizer. 25 And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou forthwith give me on a platter the head of John the Baptist. 26 And the king was exceeding sorry; but for the sake of his oaths, and of them that sat at meat, he would not reject her. 27 And straightway the king sent forth a soldier of his guard, and commanded to bring his head: and he went and beheaded him in the prison, 28 and brought his head on a platter, and gave it to the damsel; and the damsel gave it to her mother. 29 And when his disciples heard thereof, they came and took up his corpse, and laid it in a tomb.

It seems like the beheading of John the Baptist in the tribulation foreshadows the saints who refuse the mark of the beast being beheaded in the tribulation. Whereas in Luke all they do is get locked in prison like the January 6 protestors or the Truckers in Canada.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Wow

Mark 6:45 And straightway he constrained his disciples to enter into the boat, and to go before him unto the other side to Bethsaida, while he himself sendeth the multitude away. 46 And after he had taken leave of them, he departed into the mountain to pray. 47 And when even was come, the boat was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. 48 And seeing them distressed in rowing, for the wind was contrary unto them, about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking on the sea; and he would have passed by them: 49 but they, when they saw him walking on the sea, supposed that it was a ghost, and cried out; 50 for they all saw him, and were troubled. But he straightway spake with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid. 51 And he went up unto them into the boat; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves; 52 for they understood not concerning the loaves, but their heart was hardened.

This account is in Matthew but there is no mention in Luke! During the tribulation believers will not be able to work, so during that time the believers will need the Lord's miraculous provisions like being able to walk on water. We don't see that prior to the tribulation. That said many have seen the Lord's miraculous provision for their ministry, but apparently what we have seen prior to the tribulation will only be a foretaste of these miracles that they will see during the tribulation.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
Mark 7:24 And from thence he arose, and went away into the borders of Tyre and Sidon. And he entered into a house, and would have no man know it; and he could not be hid. 25 But straightway a woman, whose little daughter had an unclean spirit, having heard of him, came and fell down at his feet. 26 Now the woman was a Greek, a Syrophoenician by race. And she besought him that he would cast forth the demon out of her daughter. 27 And he said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread and cast it to the dogs. 28 But she answered and saith unto him, Yea, Lord; even the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs. 29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the demon is gone out of thy daughter. 30 And she went away unto her house, and found the child laid upon the bed, and the demon gone out.

This story is in Matthew and Mark but not in Luke! The Christians and the Jews that receive Jesus at this time will be completely humbled, like this woman, seeing themselves as pet dogs beneath the master's table. Think about it, why weren't they raptured before the tribulation? They may have seen themselves as experts, guides to the blind, etc. How humbling it would be to be left behind, it would be like that person who had set themselves down at the chief seat in the wedding feast only to be told to get up so someone else could have their seat and then in shame they take the least prominent seat. Being left behind will deal with your ego.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
A fundamental difference

Luke 9:22 saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up.

This is the account in Luke, compare this with Mark:

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, and the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 And he spake the saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33 But he turning about, and seeing his disciples, rebuked Peter, and saith, Get thee behind me, Satan; for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men.

Luke does not have this part of Peter telling Jesus He doesn't need to go to the cross! This is the difference, you have Christians who teach this, that you don't have to go to the cross, being left behind to go through the tribulation is equivalent to Jesus saying "Get thee behind me, Satan; for thou mindest not the things of God, but the things of men." This is the fundamental difference between Luke and Mark.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,686
6,732
113
The Fundamental difference, part 2

Luke 9:23 And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25 For what is a man profited, if he gain the whole world, and lose or forfeit his own self? 26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in his own glory, and the glory of the Father, and of the holy angels. 27 But I tell you of a truth, There are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Can you believe it, this is not in Mark! Those who are raptured before the tribulation received this word, those who are left behind are those who tried to save their life and as a result lost it. If you are a Christian and trying to gain the whole world you should be warned! If you are a Christian who is ashamed of the Lord and of His words, you need to be warned!