Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Let's go through these verses in reverse order

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go, ye know the way. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; how know we the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and dost thou not know me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; how sayest thou, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

1. The goal is that the father would be glorified in the son.

2. Whatever we ask in the name of Jesus He will do so that the father would be glorified.

3. We will do the works that Jesus did and greater works shall he do and this is because Jesus has gone to the Father.

4. The goal is that we would believe that Jesus is in the Father. If you can't do that at the very least you can believe because of the works that you see.

5. If you have seen Jesus you have seen the father, if you know Jesus you have known the Father.

6. Jesus is the only way to the father, He is the way, the truth and the life.

7. Jesus is going to the Father, he has already shown us the way.

8. For the last two thousand years Jesus has prepared a place for us in Heaven in the Father's house, he promises to return and bring us to where He is. This is the rapture.

9. He tells us this so that we would not be troubled, we believe in God we need to also believe in Jesus.

Think of Jesus as the guy who jumps out of the helicopter to rescue those who are drowning in the ocean. You believe in Him and He in turn lifts you up into the Helicopter typifying Heaven and God. You see God doing these rescues, soon you also will be able to do them and even more. Why? Because all those guys who are rescued and lifted up into the helicopter will become an army.
Many of the watchmen, maybe all of them see John 14:3 as a critical verse about the rapture. But that is not the point of these verses.

Jesus went to the Father to help the disciples believe that Jesus was in the Father and to pour out the blessing from the Father so that they could do the works that they saw Jesus do.

Now, when the rapture takes place it will be the same thing only in much greater scale. 500 people saw Jesus resurrected, how many around the globe will see the raptured saints raptured? This will make it much easier for the rest of the world to believe and receive the gospel. The goal is that the Father would be glorified in the Son and the strategy is for the whole world to believe because of the works that they see with the chief work being the rapture.

If you are left behind, as the saints who were left behind after Jesus crucifixion, your heart would be troubled. Everyone talks about the tribulation and their heart is troubled. This portion of the word and even the rapture of the believers is so that those who are left behind would not be troubled. If you believe that Jesus is in the Father then you will pray to Him and He will give you whatever you ask in His name.

The tribulation is not about the believers being beaten down but rather the believers being victorious in Christ and putting Satan to an open shame.
 

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There are a lot of people who dislike this channel but the fact is he is one of the few people who is closely paying attention to the current dreams and visions of various prophets. The Bible says very clearly that God will do this at the last days so you are ignoring the Biblical prophecy if you are not looking around at those with dreams and visions.

The other thing I like about this guy is he is a filter, he has various standards that a dream or vision must have.

I am not saying he has never made a mistake, neither is he. But to jump to the response that "he is a false prophet" is not verifiable to my impression. There are a lot of things he shares that I don't agree with, but he may be right and I am wrong or vice versa. Being wrong in your understanding is not the same thing as being a false prophet.
 

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Wow, this prophecy likens America to Sodom and Gomorrah. He says the fall of the US takes place in a single day.

Now this video is focusing on March 17, 2022. That is 9 days from now.

He says that in his heart God has been urgent on him to buy more wheat. I also had the same feeling when we left NY. It got to the point that within me the Spirit was urgent and I felt like Lot urging my wife and son to leave. The day we left a big snow storm hit NY and the snow was beginning to fall as we left. We all knew if we didn't leave then we would be stuck for another week.

On arriving in South Dakota I have been at peace. We have all kinds of issues selling the house and have been staying in a hotel for an entire month and yet I am at peace and as much as I go to the Lord and say "Lord, what about this" He seems to be at perfect peace like that is a non issue. I don't have a word from the Lord but I definitely have peace within to not worry about us staying a month in the hotel.

Now take the speaking Stan has with the speaking I have with the Dreams of Dana Coverstone. The Jets dream surely seemed like our experience as we were driving back and forth from NYC to SD twice. It was as though we were jetting back and forth.

The Rockwell dream hit very close to home as Norman Rockwell went to my HS and his paintings remind me very much of home, particularly the one referenced in that dream, and in that dream the Lord is commending those ones who paid attention to what was going on and took action to "take cover". I felt very encouraged listening to those two dreams.

I would also point out that this voice screaming at Stan to buy more wheat was confirmed by a dream another person had.

Now in that dream he was told that 2:45 was a date, if February is the 2nd month, then 45 days later is March 17th. Wow, weird.

March 17th has already been prophesied by Steve Fletcher who has shown signs in the heavens for March 18th. So now we have signs in the heavens, a speaking to Stan, a dream by someone else that confirmed it, as well as my own experience, Dana Coverstone dreams, and the book of Esther.

Yes, the story in Esther is of an internal revolution which ties into Dimitri Duduman's prophecy.
 

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All he is saying is that he has been given a warning concerning March 17th that was an urgent call for him to order more wheat or else he wouldn't be able to feed as many people has he hoped.
 

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There is a fascinating story in the Jewish calendar. April 2nd is the start of the new year. April 15th is Passover where all the believers got saved. April 16th - you clean your house out of all leaven, that is not "sin" but rather the customs of the world. For example a TV could be a source of leaven that you toss out. April 18th you get firstfruits -- it isn't a full harvest but it is a kind of foretaste of reaping the fruit of righteousness. This is how the year begins, it looks like how the Christian life begins bringing us out of the slavery of sin into the good land and making a nation out of us who used to be slaves of sin. But then how does the year end? Purim. March 17th, two weeks before the start of the New year we kick out Haman, a type of the Satanic rule of this world. The whole world lies in the evil one but we, as believers have grown in grace and have been praying that the Lord's kingdom would come on Earth as it is in heaven.

22 and he put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 

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What do the Watchmen Look at?

There are five avenues that the watchmen have used.

The Bible is the primary avenue, some focus on the allegories, others focus on the black and white word, and still others are wonderful at expounding on Old Testament prophecies.

The second avenue is to look carefully at current events and see if any fit in. One man did a wonderful book called "Harbingers" which tied 9/11 into Biblical prophecy, others have tied the Mortgage meltdown in, and of course Israel being reformed and then taking control of Jerusalem are used by everyone. The two cows born with 7's on their foreheads is another one that I think Sid Roth did a show on. I saw a video today where the name of God is written on the East Wall of the Temple mount in vines growing there.

The third avenue is signs in the heavens
The one event that got everyone's attention and that you are alluding to is the Revelation 12 sign, it appeared September 23, 2017 and took place on the Feast of Trumpets. It is a big sign and people do not think it is an accident that this comet is supposed to hit the earth on September 23 4 years later.

The fourth avenue there are dreams and visions. Dana Coverstone is one example, but Ken Peters had a dream in 1980 which he then shared in 2000 on the Prophecy Club. He begins by saying "as soon as I fell asleep the dream began, the first thing he heard was a loud horn that just blared continually, after that he saw the graves opened". Ken Peters died on Aug 14, 2021 and Kabul fell on Aug 15, 2021. I only learned recently that "Magog" referred to a bunch of nations including Afghanistan. The war that kicks off the tribulation is an alliance between Russia, Afghanistan, Turkey and a few other Islamic nations. To me the dreams color in a little background.

Finally there is something called "predictive programming". I had a problem with this until I saw God referring to it in Ezekiel 33. Predictive programming is where the elites warn each other, but do it in a way that the deplorable unwashed masses will be kept in the dark. This is so they can profit off of our destruction.
 

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Ezekiel 34 -- Shepherds who only take care of themselves

34 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock?

The mayor of Chicago has banned protests on her street. She said this is all about protecting her family. She was elected to be the shepherd of the entire city, a city with protests, riots and looting in the streets. A great number of people are being gunned down in the streets of Chicago each year, and all these businesses are suffering. Her job is to take care of the flock and all she is taking care of is herself.

3 You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock.

Vladimir Putin is reported to have $200 billion. Xi Jinping is reputed to be worth $1.5 billion. The NY Times ran an article calling the Chinese Parliament a “billionaires club”.

4 You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally.

The Black Lives Matter protests are all about how harshly and brutally the leaders have ruled. In Belarus they are protesting their “president” and in Lebanon they are protesting their rulers. The Ukrainian invasion by Russia is certainly harsh and brutal rule.

5 So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals.


The gang violence, the warehouse explosion in Beirut, the deaths from Chernobyl, the people are like sheep being scattered because there is no shepherd. They have become prey for all these wild animals. At this point 2 million have fled the conflict in Ukraine, they are being scattered.

6 My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them.

It would be very easy to catch and prosecute perpetrators of gun violence. All you need to do is computerize the database on guns just like we have done with fingerprints. But they refuse to do this, saying it would undermine the right to bear arms since a nationalized database on the computer would be the first step for the government to take the guns away. So then, instead you could require every gun owner have liability insurance just like we require insurance for people who own cars. Then the computerized database could be held by a variety of insurance agencies and when a crime is committed the police would provide the information about the gun, bullet and shell casing to the insurance companies who could do the check and respond back. It would still be much more effective than what we have now.

7 “‘Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 8 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because my shepherds did not search for my flock but cared for themselves rather than for my flock, 9 therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 10 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them.


This is what the defund the police movement is all about. If the police are not protecting and serving the public, then the public needs to stop paying for their services and hire some new shepherd that will. The same is true of the politicians. Corruption is so prevalent that many governments fear rooting it out as it will root the entire government out. This is a promise from the Lord to remove these politicians, Amen Lord as you have promised so do.

11 “‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. 12 As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness. 13 I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land. 14 I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel Will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. 15 I myself will tend my sheep and have them lie down, declares the Sovereign Lord. 16 I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice.

This age is all about seeing that Jesus is Lord. Every other government is a failure, every other leader has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The end of this age will see an end to these corrupt governments, corrupt rulers, corrupt shepherds. During the tribulation you will see the Lord Himself gather these sheep, it will be the greatest revival ever, comparable only to Jesus' earthly ministry except worldwide.

17 “‘As for you, my flock, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will judge between one sheep and another, and between rams and goats. 18 Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture? Must you also trample the rest of your pasture with your feet? Is it not enough for you to drink clear water? Must you also muddy the rest with your feet? 19 Must my flock feed on what you have trampled and drink what you have muddied with your feet?


This judgement will extend to all of us. These protests have included those who have rioted and looted. They destroy the shops of local businessmen. They are not simply protesting injustice, they are filled with envy and jealousy for their neighbor who is lifting themself out of the pit.

20 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says to them: See, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21 Because you shove with flank and shoulder, butting all the weak sheep with your horns until you have driven them away, 22 I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. 23 I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. 24 I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the Lord have spoken.

Bernie Madoff was a fat sheep who plundered the “weak sheep”. The gangs prey on the weaker sheep, extorting them. We need a shepherd with the courage of David to take on the Lion and the Bear.

25 “‘I will make a covenant of peace with them and rid the land of savage beasts so that they may live in the wilderness and sleep in the forests in safety. 26 I will make them and the places surrounding my hill a blessing. I will send down showers in season; there will be showers of blessing. 27 The trees will yield their fruit and the ground will yield its crops; the people will be secure in their land. They will know that I am the Lord, when I break the bars of their yoke and rescue them from the hands of those who enslaved them.

Slavery is alive and well all over the world. The prison system in the US is a form of slavery. People sell themselves as slaves because of indebtedness. The mortgage crisis was a way to put tens of millions of people into indebtedness and enslave them all over again. For all the sins of the US it is far worse in the third world.

28 They will no longer be plundered by the nations, nor will wild animals devour them. They will live in safety, and no one will make them afraid.


I saw a video about Venezuela, a place considered to be one of the most dangerous places in the world. That is a place where the gangs truly do plunder the people and devour the people. Everyone in the poor neighborhoods lives in fear. Inflation plunders the people. Governments printing money based solely on debt plunders the people.

29 I will provide for them a land renowned for its crops, and they will no longer be victims of famine in the land or bear the scorn of the nations.


Venezuela is very rich with oil. It is amazing that the country could be so poorly managed that a few people are extremely rich and the rest live in abject poverty terrified by the roving gangs. It provides a vision for what Detroit can become, and what Chicago can become after that. Ukraine is a land renowned for its crops but is now going to be a victim of famine.

30 Then they will know that I, the Lord their God, am with them and that they, the Israelites, are my people, declares the Sovereign Lord. 31 You are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, and I am your God, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”


The end of the age is not the end of the world. The end of the age is the end of the rule of evil and corrupt rulers. It ushers in a new age where Jesus is Lord.
 

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Ezekiel 35 The Lord has heard the revilings of Hollywood

1 Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it, 3 and say unto it, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O mount Seir, and I will stretch out my hand against thee, and I will make thee a desolation and an astonishment.

Who is this Mount Seir? It is easy to know that it refers to the Edomites, that they were the descendants of Esau, the twin brother of Jacob. He is the older brother that will serve the younger. He is the profane one who sold his birthright for a pot of beans. He is the one that Jacob dressed up like and acted like he was Esau to steal the blessing. To be fair to Jacob since Esau had already sold the birthright the blessing for the firstborn should have been Jacob’s. They celebrated all kinds of evil that befell Israel. According to Romans 9 Abraham’s seed is through Jacob and not Esau, Paul compares these two to the flesh and spirit warring with each other. But, they are both the seed of Abraham. Our heritage according to the Spirit is the word of God, so then, what would be the fleshly version of the word of God? This is Hollywood. If you look at all the great movies and their themes they are all Biblical. Recently Hollywood has been completely focused on apocalyptic themes. But previously major themes for Hollywood movies have been of resurrection, or David versus Goliath, or transformation, or forgiveness, or mercy, or even salvation. Christians are supposed to be the people of the book but more and more they have been corrupted and become the people of the movies.

4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate; and thou shalt know that I am Jehovah. 5 Because thou hast had a perpetual enmity, and hast given over the children of Israel to the power of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time of the iniquity of the end; 6 therefore, as I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: since thou hast not hated blood, therefore blood shall pursue thee.

This is what predictive programming is. People in Hollywood are aware of this coming calamity and they think it is funny to encode this in their movies. They are spectators, cheering the coming destruction, or as the Lord says “they love blood”. They want everyone to know that they knew and if you say why didn’t you tell us they’ll say we did but you were too stupid to see it. There is a perpetual enmity between Hollywood and born again Christians. Even the term “born again” reminds you of Jacob getting the birthright from Esau.

7 Thus will I make mount Seir an astonishment and a desolation; and I will cut off from it him that passeth through and him that returneth. 8 And I will fill its mountains with its slain: in thy hills and in thy valleys and in all thy watercourses shall they fall that are slain with the sword. 9 I will make thee a perpetual desolation, and thy cities shall not be inhabited; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah.

Oops, think how far Hollywood has fallen in just two years. Because of the pandemic movie theaters have gone bankrupt and are being shut down. Many are located in Malls which are also going bankrupt and being shut down. Because of this the “big releases” of new movies have gone out with a whimper. But imagine what happens when the whole world sees that they knew about the coming destruction and didn’t tell anyone. They will be vilified and reviled.

10 Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas Jehovah was there: 11 therefore, as I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, I will do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast showed out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I shall judge thee.

Hollywood is composed of storytellers. They have even dabbled in Bible stories like Jesus Christ Superstar (a broadway musical but still part of the performing arts) and the Ten Commandments. These are the two nations of the Jews and the Christians. They have truly shown their hatred of these ones. For example they ridiculed and mocked Mister Rogers Neighborhood. A Christian ministry to children. They set up their own vile shows like Captain Kangaroo and a bunch of garbage cartoons for Saturday morning. The Lord is going to do unto them according to their anger.

12 And thou shalt know that I, Jehovah, have heard all thy revilings which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to devour. 13 And ye have magnified yourselves against me with your mouth, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard it. 14 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate. 15 As thou didst rejoice over the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Edom, even all of it; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.

When this judgement comes Hollywood will realize and come to know that the Lord heard all of their blasphemy. All the vile things they said, all of their revilings of Christians. He has seen how they magnified themselves against the Lord Jesus. During the millenial reign the whole earth will rejoice and they will be made desolate.
 

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Biblical reasoning concerning March 17th/18th

There are a lot of very good feasts and types with rapture scenarios and Purim is only one of many. However, Purim is a type of a concealed or hidden rapture. So I find it a very good candidate for a pre-tribulation rapture.

Song of Songs describes a rapture that takes place after the Spring equinox making this a very good time for this pre-tribulation rapture.

Jesus said there were 12 hours in the day when Lazarus was raised, again pointing to this time of year.

This is a concluding event of the year for the Jewish year and it makes sense that the rapture is a concluding event of the age for Christians.

This is six months prior to Feast of Trumpets, the ideal date for the start of the tribulation and we have typology in Esther of a feast for 187 days for queen Esther. We are told that the Queen of Sheba (7) depicting the church, is given a tour of Solomon's kingdom and the thought is that after the rapture the saints are given a tour of Jesus' kingdom. David reigned in Hebron for 7 1/2 years before reigning in Jerusalem and we see that as being a type of these last 7 1/2 years of this age before the millenial kingdom.

The blessings to Abraham end with the believers being a blessing to the whole world. The book of Esther at the end of the year depicts the believers being a blessing to the whole world.

18 For the word of the cross is to them that [h]perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.

The Christian life begins at the beginning of the year with Passover, the word of the Cross which is to us being saved the power of God.

19 For it is written,

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And the discernment of the discerning will I bring to nought.


This is a good description of what happens to Haman and his rebellion against God during Purim at the end of the Jewish year.

Signs in the heavens concerning March 17th/18th

There is a remarkable sign in the heaven of the planets crossing the river at this time. It looks precisely like the story of the children of Israel crossing the Red Sea. 4 celestial bodies led by Jupiter the king planet (Jesus / Moses) with the Sun as the pillar of fire going before them cross the flood poured out by Aquarius while 4 celestial bodies led by Saturn (depicting Satan / Pharaoh) is following them.

Signs in current events concerning March 17th/18th


We are witnessing very turbulent times. My reasoning is that since the 9th of AV saw the collapse of Afghanistan and judgement on the US I would expect that Purim would also be a very significant event. True it doesn't have to be this year but the appropriate event would be the exposing of an evil plot of rebellion to take over the world. What I find very hard to believe is that this would not be revealed for another year.

Pfizer has released 55,000 pages of documents concerning their testing of the vaccine and already 1,000 people have volunteered and are being organized to go through this. That means 55 pages per person a day we can go through the entire thing in a day. Anything they find they have a system of posting and bringing it to the attention of the lawyers and expert doctors. Already they have discovered three huge things: they may have violated the law in conducting these trials, they knew that the vaccine was not effective at protecting against Covid, and they knew that 11% of the people in the trial had serious adverse reaction that they never advised anyone about. This is what they have released after 1 day. I expect that every day we will get more and more damning revelations. The day before they revealed that Biden's administration spent a billion dollars to bribe the mainstream media to only give positive stories on this vaccine. If these stories have come out in the last two days do we really think it will take another year to expose Haman?

Also, Russia has said they have the evidence of US bioweapons labs in Ukraine, China has also reported on this and the assistant secretary of state has confirmed this. Two days ago this was considered a lie from Putin, now we know it is true. Today Putin is revealing that the evidence is very damning concerning the US and at this point he has to be seen as the most credible source. Once again, this story is coming out rapidly, hard to believe that this could take another year to be revealed.

We already have enough evidence to decertify the 2020 election. No one thinks this will be resolved by the courts but rather by the military. Think how idiotic it would be for the military with all the evidence to wait until after the 2022 election. If you did that you allow for all kinds of further fraud that would also have to be cleaned up.

In conclusion I expect Purim to be when Haman gets exposed and I cannot see how this could be next year, has to be this year. Hence, I am expecting very big things to take place March 17th/18th
 

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Let me add that Stan's timeline of Biblical feasts with their prophetic meaning (he is guessing) is in my humble opinion, laughable.

There are others who have focused exclusively on this, I would direct you to Pastor Sandy, this is not Stan's wheelhouse.

See post 3753 to see where I think Purim fits on the Calendar and the spiritual significance.

As for these other feasts the year begins with Nisan and Passover (Nisan 14). I would suggest that the rapture is the conclusion of the age of grace for some Christians (Purim), followed by two weeks of mourning for those left behind, but very quickly signals a new beginning for all those Christians who are left behind (Nisan 1). I see the first half of this 70th week, the 3 1/2 years being analogous to the Lord's earthly ministry. It will be like the start of the gospel of Luke with the two witnesses calling for repentance and baptizing (Passover followed by crossing the Red sea is a type of our baptism).

As for the Antichrist we are pretty sure he appears on the 9th of AV based on the story of Noah and Feast of Trumpets is not "fiery judgement" but rather the official start of the 70th week, the day Antichrist confirms the covenant with the many.
 

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I am looking forward to the Tribulation

But this is because my view of it has changed dramatically.

What was it that kicked off the apostolic age? It was Jesus ascension. I think that the rapture will kick off a similar "golden age" for the gospel. It will be miraculous with an incredible harvest. I think that the Lord has planned everything to maximize the number of people who receive Him and are saved. When Jesus went to the Father in the ascension He poured out His spirit and His apostles did the works that they had seen Him do. Likewise when the rapture takes place I think the Spirit will be poured out and you will see believers stand up around the world doing the works that we have seen done by Jesus and the apostles. Will Satan kill them? Sure, but that is because he has lost. Killing the believers is an admission of defeat, it is like saying "uncle" in a fight.
 

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He quotes the Jets dream by Dana Coverstone and I must have missed it the first time:

"Up is coming and it is beginning, all that you have braced for is now."

Two very big things -- "up is coming" I interpret as the pre-tribulation rapture despite what Stan says. "All that you have braced for is now" I interpret to refer to the tribulation. Any doubts about the Russian invasion not turning into Ezekiel 38 -- might as well forget it, the Lord is saying it is now!

"Stay braced and ready, eyes on the prize and be steady in your steps" -- Jesus Christ is the prize -- eyes on Jesus Christ our powerful savior.
 

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2Chronicles 24: 23 And it came to pass at the end of the year,

The word for "end of the year" in Hebrew means circuit. Today the word is understood as the Equinox. A circuit refers to something going around a track and returning to the same position. This is exactly what happens with the equinox. There is some dispute as to whether or not this referred to the equinox at the time of Moses but I find the explanation of why it wouldn't very flimsy. This is a culture that used the moon to determine the start of each month. Keeping track of the start of each year or the end of each year was critical. We know that the start of each year for the Jews was the month of Nisan which always occurs immediately after the equinox. The point of contention is whether or not the first day of Nisan is after the equinox. If this verse does in fact say that the end of the year is the vernal equinox then it tells us exactly which new moon is the start of the year, every year. If it doesn't say that then what does it say? The sun has returned to the same place as the end of the last year, but where is that place?

Josephus gives a different way in which you can calculate the first day of the year, but his way also agrees that the first day of the new year is always the first new moon after the equinox.

Finally there is this term that it is the month Abib, or it has to be in Abib. Abib is a star in the constellation Virgo and if you are after the equinox you will see as the sun rises in the morning the star Abib goes below the horizon. If you pick a month earlier the star Abib will be below the horizon before the sun rises, if you pick a month later the star Abib does not go below the horizon for some time after the sun rise.

If you do this, always start with the first new moon after the equinox then the Feast of Trumpets will also be the first new moon after the Fall equinox. The feast of trumpets is the date that used to be the first day of the year in Noah's day. For the world the year begins after the Fall equinox, but for the Jews once they left slavery their year started after the Spring equinox.

Once you understand this then you will immediately know that Rosh Hashanah cannot take place prior to September 21/22. The Hebrew calendar is prophetic, translating days on our calendar to days on the Hebrew calendar will reveal patterns and prophetic meaning. So this makes a very big difference. This year the Torah calendar is wrong, they were wrong with Passover and they are now wrong with Feast of Trumpets as well.