Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Luke 2:4-7 Mary the Hillbilly

4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the town of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, 5 To be enrolled with Mary, his espoused (married) wife, who was about to become a mother. 6 And while they were there, the time came for her delivery, 7 And she gave birth to her Son, her Firstborn; and she wrapped Him in swaddling clothes and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room or place for them in the inn.

During this process of separating the wheat from the chaff the believers need to separate themselves to the House of God (Bethlehem). At this time there will be no room for believers in the Inn. What kind of a mother puts her baby into a feeding trough in a barn? This girl is rural, we used to call them hillbilly's but that is no longer politically correct. Now we call them "deplorables". If you think I'm exaggerating try reading her prayer again, it is very clear that she identifies herself as a deplorable.
 

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Luke 2:8-24 Ohh, so that's why there was no room at the Inn

8 And in that vicinity there were shepherds living [out under the open sky] in the field, watching [in shifts] over their flock by night. 9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord flashed and shone all about them, and they were terribly frightened. 10 But the angel said to them, Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which will come to all the people. 11 For to you is born this day in the town of David a Savior, Who is Christ (the Messiah) the Lord! 12 And this will be a sign for you [by which you will recognize Him]: you will find [after searching] a Baby wrapped in swaddling clothes and lying in a manger. 13 Then suddenly there appeared with the angel an army of the troops of heaven (a heavenly knighthood), praising God and saying, 14 Glory to God in the highest [heaven], and on earth peace among men with whom He is well pleased [men of goodwill, of His favor].

Sometimes we get too focused on the Antichrist and the mark of the beast and you won’t be able to buy or sell without it. On the other side we have a heavenly host of angels that appear to shepherds. Think of these shepherds as being like the midwives when Pharaoh wanted to kill Egyptian male babies. So let’s not hyperventilate on what the enemy is going to do, God is great, He is omnipotent and He is omniscient. Trust in Him. These shepherds are used to dealing with wolves. What a contrast with the religious and political leaders who think the world revolves around them. The biggest thing happening was in this barn and with these hillbilly rural farm workers.

15 When the angels went away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us go over to Bethlehem and see this thing (saying) that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us. 16 So they went with haste and [by searching] found Mary and Joseph, and the Baby lying in a manger. 17 And when they saw it, they made known what had been told them concerning this Child, 18 And all who heard it were astounded and marveled at what the shepherds told them 19 But Mary was keeping within herself all these things (sayings), weighing and pondered them in her heart.

Many Christians focus on how great it would be to be those raptured before the tribulation. But look at this story, those who are here seeing the Lord years before His ministry, they were embracing their position as outcasts of society. As Paul said "the offscouring" of society. The best description of these people was given by Hillary Clinton, she said they were "irredeemable". There is just no way for Satan to buy them off.

20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, just as it had been told them. 21 And at the end of eight days, when [the Baby] was to be circumcised, He was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb. 22 And when the time for their purification [the mother’s purification and the Baby’s dedication] came according to the Law of Moses, they brought Him up to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord— 23 As it is written in the Law of the Lord, Every [firstborn] male that opens the womb shall be set apart and dedicated and called holy to the Lord— 24 And [they came also] to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the Law of the Lord: a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.

This offering indicates they were in extreme poverty. Maybe the claim that there was no room in the Inn was because every nook and cranny was already occupied, but I wonder if she wasn't a poor hillbilly if they would have found room for this pregnant girl about to give birth. Today if you saw some poor hillbilly teenage girl who is 9 months pregnant with her fiance what you would assume? They treated her like a farm animal, no way they do that if she was someone "important". Every Christian who thinks they are so important, can we look at Mary and be humbled?
 

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We have a contradiction here

Daniel 7:21, 22 "I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;"

Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Matthew 16:18 I say unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


The promise from the Lord is that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church He builds and yet in Revelation we are told that the Antichrist will prevail over the saints. Anyone who thinks there is no pre-tribulation rapture needs to reconcile this contradiction.
 

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"By Peace he shall destroy many" Daniel 8:25

Biden is a man of peace. We now have peace at our Southern border, not like when Trump was president and everyone was screaming everyday about it. Of course this peace is destroying America. He also made peace in Afghanistan, though it does look like that peace has lit a fuse that will destroy the Middle East. And Biden is much nicer to China and that peace that he is making with them will almost certainly destroy Taiwan. Biden's support of Ukraine has put us at war with Russia, a nuclear power. Biden has gone to Israel to make peace by dividing Israel up and giving a piece of it to the Palestinians. God has already said that if he does that then God will divide the US.
 

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Timing of the tribulation?

So then what does the Bible say:

1. The fig tree prophecy talks about Israel "and all the trees" which refers to the other nations that were also formed after WWI at about the same time as Israel. The Lord says that this generation will not pass away until all things are fulfilled. The only verse in the Bible that seems to define a generation is in Psalm 90 -- 70-80 years. Since Israel was reformed in May 1948 80 years later is May 2028, being the time at which everything that the Lord was referring to in the context of the prophecy will be fulfilled. That would mean that He would return in Glory in the Clouds to Jerusalem by May of 2029 before Israel turns 81.

2. Most end time teaching considers the last 7 years of this age to be the 70th week in Daniel and the tribulation. This seven years begins with the Antichrist confirming the covenant with the many. However, it does not end with Jesus returning in glory on the clouds, that would be something that would take place before Armageddon and before the end of the 70th week. Therefore the Antichrist is revealed at the start of the 70th week and according to Paul in his writing to the Thessalonians the Antichrist is not revealed until the Holy Spirit steps aside which we think is a reference to the rapture. It seems to me and to many others that the Antichrist needs to be revealed prior to the Feast of Tabernacles in 2022. Seven years later would be 2029, about six months after Jesus returns in glory in the clouds.

3. There is no prophecy that tells us the date of the rapture and instead the Lord compares this to a woman who is pregnant. You may have a due date, but that is simply a guide and you must be watching. We are commanded by the Lord to watch. He also compares this coming to a thief in the night. The thief would never tell you ahead of time the day and hour he is coming, which is why you must prepare and you must watch. He also compares this to a farmer who again may have a general idea of when to expect the crops to be ripe yet at the same time needs to be watching carefully to know precisely when to harvest.

4 With that in mind it appears that the book of Psalms are prophetic with the first 121 Psalms giving a prophetic reading from 1901 to 2021. (A book was written about the prophecy in the Psalms). In these Psalm 18 is very clearly describing a pre-tribulation rapture. So if we look at 1918 we can get an idea, like watching the trailer to a movie, of the year of this rapture. Two big things took place, you had a worldwide pandemic and you had the end of WWI. Psalm 120 referring to 2020 prays for deliverance from liars, and Psalm 121 refers to the pre-tribulation rapture. The Jewish year begins at Feast of Trumpets so this year will come to an end September 26, 2022.

5. The book of Joel also describes a worldwide pandemic in great detail and says that it is a sign that the day of the Lord is at hand. However, the prophecy in Joel cannot refer to the Spanish flu because he describes a global shutdown of the economy as part of this pandemic and also precisely describes social distancing as a key strategy in combating the pandemic.

6. There are other signs as well in the heavens pointing to 2022 as well as wars and rumors of war and earthquakes in various places (the number of earthquakes this year are at least 100x the average for this last century if not 200x).

7. Other prophecies say that a lunar eclipse and a solar eclipse will take place at the start of the Great day of the Lord. We will have two pairs of lunar and solar eclipses per year, and the only one left for 2021 is Nov 19 and Dec 4.

8. Jesus said that His return would be as the days of Noah. One notable day was the day that Noah released the Dove and the Raven. The dove denotes the spirit and the raven denotes the spirit of Antichrist. The day he released it was the 9th of Av which is August 6, 2022.

9. We were also told that the only sign that would be given to this adulterous generation was the sign of Jonah. We had the sign of Jonah a year ago in June. A man was swallowed by a whale and then spit back up. Meanwhile a building collapsed in Florida and the only person to survive was a boy named Jonah.

10. The Bible also describes the rapture as the wheat harvest and this is the season of the wheat harvest.

11. Jesus also said that they would be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage at the time of his coming. If you read the story His point is that they would be clueless about the coming catastrophe which would destroy them all. So this is similar to Jesus crucifixion, He said that the enemy would be rejoicing when He was crucified while the disciples would be mourning. We are told "blessed are those that mourn". This word by Jesus indicates that at the time of His return the disciples would be fasting while the world will be feasting. The disciples would be mourning while the world would be celebrating. We are in a three week fast that began on 17th of Tammuz and ends on the 9th of Av. This is a time of fasting, praying and mourning. No pious Jew would be feasting or marrying during this time.

What do the dreams and visions of the prophets say?

We have numerous prophecies that indicate there is no more time left to brace yourself for what is about to hit us. It could be days or weeks away, but surely not years away.
 

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The Antichrist is "the Assyrian"

Micah 5:5 And this man shall be our peace. When the Assyrian shall come into our land, and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight [d]principal men. 6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: and he shall deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our border.
 

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Isaiah 13:1 A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw:
2 Raise a banner on a bare hilltop,
shout to them;
beckon to them
to enter the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded those I prepared for battle;
I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath—
those who rejoice in my triumph.


An army will come from God, summoned from a great distance away to bring judgment to the Earth.

4 Listen, a noise on the mountains,

like that of a great multitude!
Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms,
like nations massing together!
The Lord Almighty is mustering
an army for war.
5 They come from faraway lands,
from the ends of the heavens—
the Lord and the weapons of his wrath—
to destroy the whole country.


When God says "they come from far away lands" He is clarifying that they are coming from the ends of the heavens. We now believe our solar system is a binary star system with the other star being a brown dwarf meaning you can only see it with an infrared telescope like the one the Vatican has purchased. This system is on an extremely elliptical orbit that takes it hundreds of years to go around the Sun, maybe even longer.

6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near;
it will come like destruction from the Almighty.
7 Because of this, all hands will go limp,
every heart will melt with fear.
8 Terror will seize them,
pain and anguish will grip them;
they will writhe like a woman in labor.
They will look aghast at each other,
their faces aflame.

9 See, the day of the Lord is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.


Think of the movies about "the purge" where the elites go into their little bunkers for the night while everyone trapped outside either gets killed or kills others.

10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.


There are many prophecies that this takes place during a solar eclipse and lunar eclipse. However, I suspect it is far worse than a typical one. If planet X system gets very close to the Earth it would definitely block out the Sun. We estimate that it is ten times more massive than Earth which would make it much, much bigger than our moon. If it comes between the Earth and the Moon it would also block out the moon. Can you imagine the entire world seeing this huge planet approaching Earth, blocking out the Sun and the Moon? They would melt with fear.

11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.


It is on full display. In the US we are seeing the leaders have no regard for the law or the constitution. They are evil (the vaccine is designed to destroy natural immunity making people dependent on the sorcerers and giving them complete control over life or death). The people who have done this are wicked, arrogant, haughty and ruthless.

12 I will make people scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.


We are told many places that this judgement will be by fire. We also learn of massive death totals that are very hard to believe with billions of people dying (in Revelation). Not only so but the rapture removes those who are faithful to God.

14 Like a hunted gazelle,
like sheep without a shepherd,
they will all return to their own people,
they will flee to their native land.
15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
all who are caught will fall by the sword.
16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be looted and their wives violated.

17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes,

who do not care for silver
and have no delight in gold.


The elite are prepping, they are building bunkers to hide in. The problem with that is they will all be scattered and isolated. Then this hoard of "Medes" (I'm thinking Mad Max) will sweep through with the atrocities you get when you have complete anarchy. These elite thought that their gold would be useful which is so stupid, once Mad Max kills them he gets all their gold, why would he have any use for these "elites"?

18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
they will have no mercy on infants,
nor will they look with compassion on children.


After a cataclysmic event like this no one is in a position to be a nursemaid to a bunch of small children.

19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the pride and glory of the Babylonians,
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah.


Many people try to interpret Babylon as Iraq. Is Iraq the "jewel of kingdoms"? Everyone on earth knows that today "the jewel of kingdoms" is the United States. But even if you disagree then what nation on earth can be described as "Sodom and Gomorrah"? There are two ways to look at this, rather than simply saying "the United States" I would say "Multinational corporations that are pushing for globalism". They are corrupt like Sodom and Gomorrah, they are the "jewel of kingdoms". Toyota is the jewel of Japan, GM is the jewel of the US, Rolex is the Jewel of the UK, etc.

20 She will never be inhabited
or lived in through all generations;
there no nomads will pitch their tents,
there no shepherds will rest their flocks.
21 But desert creatures will lie there,
jackals will fill her houses;
there the owls will dwell,
and there the wild goats will leap about.
22 Hyenas will inhabit her strongholds,
jackals her luxurious palaces.
Her time is at hand,
and her days will not be prolonged.


Why would no one live there again? This sounds like a nuclear attack.
 

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2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 

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Jeremiah 50:1 This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah the prophet concerning Babylon and the land of the Babylonians: 2 “Announce and proclaim among the nations,
lift up a banner and proclaim it;
keep nothing back, but say,
‘Babylon will be captured;
Bel will be put to shame,
Marduk filled with terror.
Her images will be put to shame
and her idols filled with terror.’


Marduk is a god that Hollywood worships, the Oscars are held in what could be considered a temple to Marduk. Babylon was built with bricks that had idols on every brick. Bel and Marduk are two of these idols, pagan gods. If Marduk is the God of Hollywood and he is a subordinate of Bel then I would think Bel would refer to the mainstream media and all the ways in which they control people with brainwashing and propaganda. I like how Jeremiah says "keep nothing back" this is contrast to the elites who are hiding this information while they build themselves underground bunkers for the elites and for their armies.

3 A nation from the north will attack her
and lay waste her land.
No one will live in it;
both people and animals will flee away.


A strong case can be made for the US being Babylon, if that is the case what Nation is to the North of the US? Canada is, but I think this is a reference to Russia. If Russia attacks they will do so from over the North pole. Now this expression that no one will live in her but both people and animals will flee away, that tells me that Russia will nuke the US. Recently the US provoked Russia by encouraging the Ukraine to join NATO. If Ukraine joined NATO it would be the beginning of the end of Russia. This was an existential threat to their sovereignty. So Russia invaded Ukraine and the US supplied arms and supplies to Ukraine. They were using Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia. Not only so but the US is making it clear they want this to be a long, protracted war that will bankrupt and destroy Russia. This war would be devastating to Ukraine, everyone that depends on wheat from Ukraine and even to all those that can't afford fuel prices to go up. This is forcing Russia into a corner where they must attack the US. However there is no way Russia can win a conventional war with the US. This forces Russia to go nuclear and it will be quite soon.

4 “In those days, at that time,”
declares the Lord,
“the people of Israel and the people of Judah together
will go in tears to seek the Lord their God.


In the same way we have two different people of God based on God's covenant, we have the Christians who are left behind and we have the Jews. If the US were destroyed Israel would immediately be threatened. After the rapture all the believers left behind will go in tears to seek the Lord. This reminds me of the prophecy in Amos where God is going to turn our feasts to mourning. Thanksgiving is the big feast in the US, if the rapture takes place around the time of Thanksgiving it would certainly turn that feast to mourning for those left behind. To destroy the US as a power would leave Israel and Taiwan naked to attacks from Russia and China. Russia has already made deals with the Middle East to provide security and to sell oil in a different currency than the US dollar.

5 They will ask the way to Zion
and turn their faces toward it.
They will come and bind themselves to the Lord
in an everlasting covenant
that will not be forgotten.


This is why there must be a pre tribulation rapture, it will show to the rest of the saints who God has approved and it will cause them to rededicate themselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant. Christians like to talk about "revival" where many unbelievers get saved, but this will be a revival where millions of lukewarm Christians repent and rededicate themselves to the Lord. Right now many Christians are mocking and ridiculing the warnings. Those that survive this attack (the US will be destroyed in one hour) will be able to repent and confess their sins in not listening to the prophets and the warnings God sent.

6 “My people have been lost sheep;

their shepherds have led them astray
and caused them to roam on the mountains.
They wandered over mountain and hill
and forgot their own resting place.
7 Whoever found them devoured them;
their enemies said, ‘We are not guilty,
for they sinned against the Lord, their verdant pasture,
the Lord, the hope of their ancestors.’


This is a description of the Apostasy. Laodicea is the apostate church. At the end of the Age you will have the evangelical church (Philadelphia) and the Apostate church (Laodicea).
 

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Jeremiah 50:8 “Flee out of Babylon;
leave the land of the Babylonians,
and be like the goats that lead the flock.


This is where we are right now. They have mandated this vaccine which is a deceitful shot, you need to flee out of this system. If you are an American how do you do this? Yes, America is the Great Babylon and Sodom and Gomorrah. However, we learned that this curse is on three places Mardook (Hollywood), Bel (NYC) and Babylon (Washington DC). The East coast and the West coast.

9 For I will stir up and bring against Babylon
an alliance of great nations from the land of the north.
They will take up their positions against her,
and from the north she will be captured.
Their arrows will be like skilled warriors
who do not return empty-handed.


Arrows, sounds like missiles. The arrows are "like skilled warriors" sounds like these have a guidance system similar to our cruise missiles. During the Gulf war we got video images of these cruise missiles traveling hundreds of miles and not only hitting the building but going into the window of the building that was the target.

10 So Babylonia will be plundered;
all who plunder her will have their fill,”
declares the Lord.


If I were an army and wanted to plunder another country the US would be my first choice. Lots and lots of plunder. If I were going to plunder the US then NYC, LA, Washington DC, Miami, San Francisco, these would be my first choices. Iowa, Wisconsin, Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, not so much.

11 “Because you rejoice and are glad,
you who pillage my inheritance,
because you frolic like a heifer threshing grain
and neigh like stallions,
12 your mother will be greatly ashamed;
she who gave you birth will be disgraced.
She will be the least of the nations—
a wilderness, a dry land, a desert.


It is so hard to follow this thought from the Lord because we are so used to having "good guys and bad guys", white hats and black hats. God is judging Babylon for their idolatry and His people for becoming compromised by this. But if the countries being used by God to bring that judgement are also idolatrous how do they think they won't also be judged. This is not a case of your idol defeated their idol but rather God used you to bring them down and if you are arrogant you too will suffer the same fate. Also, it seems that Babylon is judged for pillaging Israel, in like manner those that pillage the people of God in the US may be judged as well. When Babylon was used to punish Israel for not obeying God they were proud and arrogant and abusive and so Babylon was then judged. In the same way at the end of this age the luke warm and apostate church will be judged in the US, but those who rejoice in that judgement will also be judged.

13 Because of the Lord’s anger she will not be inhabited
but will be completely desolate.
All who pass Babylon will be appalled;
they will scoff because of all her wounds.
14 “Take up your positions around Babylon,
all you who draw the bow.
Shoot at her! Spare no arrows,
for she has sinned against the Lord.


We refer to this as "the one who won the divorce". Two people were married, it ended in a divorce, one goes on from there to glory and success, the other is left in a ruinous heap. Why would no one inhabit her? This tells me it will be a nuclear attack. Russia has nuclear bombs they can set off in the ocean that will cause a 500 foot (might even be meter) tsunami that would hit the entire East and West coastline of the US. That wave would be radioactive and would contaminate the coastline for at least a mile or two inland. No one would live in NYC, or Washington DC or LA or San Francisco.

15 Shout against her on every side!
She surrenders, her towers fall,
her walls are torn down.
Since this is the vengeance of the Lord,
take vengeance on her;
do to her as she has done to others.


It doesn't matter if the US is Babylon, regardless, God will do to us as we have done to others. The CIA is known as the "Cocaine Importing Agency" because they fund their illegal operations by importing drugs to the US. Our deep state has treated other countries despicably therefore it is God's judgement that as we have done it will be done to us. Every side indicates the attack comes from the East coast, the West Coast, over the North pole and from South America.

16 Cut off from Babylon the sower,
and the reaper with his sickle at harvest.
Because of the sword of the oppressor
let everyone return to their own people,
let everyone flee to their own land.


Why do they keep talking about everyone fleeing to their own land? We have many people from around the world working here in the US. When the US falls they will all return back to their own people and their own land. This attack comes at harvest time. When the church is raptured the saints go up and the fire comes down.

17 “Israel is a scattered flock
that lions have chased away.
The first to devour them
was the king of Assyria;
the last to crush their bones
was Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon.”


The King of Assyria and the King of Babylon are both types of the "little horn" that rises up in the book of Revelation. Nebuchadnezzar is the golden head of the beast, and the little horn is called "the Assyrian". The people of God who are left after the rapture will be devoured and crushed by the "Antichrist" or better known as "the little horn" or the "11th horn".
 

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You were found and captured because you opposed the Lord

Jeremiah 50:
18 Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
“I will punish the king of Babylon and his land
as I punished the king of Assyria.


How do people not learn? We read about the rise and fall of the Roman empire, we see what made them fall, and then we follow in the same path? This history has repeated itself with every empire, Egypt used to be great, now they are nothing. Greece used to be great, now they are nothing. Iraq used to be great, now they are nothing. Rome used to be great, now they are nothing.

19 But I will bring Israel back to their own pasture,
and they will graze on Carmel and Bashan;
their appetite will be satisfied
on the hills of Ephraim and Gilead.
20 In those days, at that time,”
declares the Lord,
“search will be made for Israel’s guilt,
but there will be none,
and for the sins of Judah,
but none will be found,
for I will forgive the remnant I spare.


Again, how do people see this and not realize there is a God in heaven? He told you that He would bring the remnant of Jews back to Israel, he told you this thousands of years ago, and He did it, repeatedly.

21 “Attack the land of Merathaim
and those who live in Pekod.
Pursue, kill and completely destroy them,”
declares the Lord.
“Do everything I have commanded you.


Do everything I command you concerning completely destroying these people. Why? I suspect it has to do with the Nephilim. Remember the prophecy about God putting enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent? Later we learn about the Nephilim on Earth mingling their seed with man. The flood was to completely wipe out this mingled seed, yet later we learn of the giants who were still here from this seed. There is a satanic seed on this Earth, it is not simply "pagan" worship of various false gods, it also involves the genetic makeup of these people.

22 The noise of battle is in the land,
the noise of great destruction!
23 How broken and shattered
is the hammer of the whole earth!


The hammer of the whole earth? What is that? Is this a reference to their military might or is this a reference to their industrial might? After WWII what impressed all the countries both our allies and our enemies was not simply the military might of the US but even more the industrial might. At that time we were "the hammer of the whole earth!"

How desolate is Babylon
among the nations!
24 I set a trap for you, Babylon,
and you were caught before you knew it;
you were found and captured
because you opposed the Lord.


Let us be honest, the US opposes the Lord. They oppose the Lord in the schools, they oppose the Lord in their media, they oppose the Lord in their art, they oppose the Lord in their history and they oppose the Lord in their government.
 

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You shall not gather the grapes thereof

Deuteronomy 28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.


I can see these judgements as a vision of the tribulation. Jesus said that prior to the tribulation they will be marrying and giving in marriage until the day the flood came and took them all away. I suspect that many of those who just got married will experience this judgement. Same thing with building houses. But I especially wanted to point out this verse about not gathering the grapes from a vineyard. The grape harvest begins late August.

We have those who are telling us the rapture is the wheat harvest which goes to early August. There is a period of several weeks that this could take place. However, this prophecy seems to tell us that whenever the rapture takes place it will be before late August. That tells me the next three weeks from July 23 to August 15 should be a very high watch time.
 

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I just heard that 9% of Christians read their Bible everyday and 19% of them never read it, and another 18% very rarely read it.

If you do not read the bible regularly can you have a genuine relationship with the incarnated word of God?
 

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Luke 2:25-35 The Deep State

25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout [cautiously and carefully observing the divine Law], and looking for the Consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

I love this, my favorite experience. Everyone talks about this "deep state" of corrupt wicked people highly placed in government who are secretly operating behind the curtain. But my experience is that wherever you go there are those who are devout and righteous. He is in Jerusalem, in the temple, can see her poverty, and yet he can also see the Lord's Christ.

26 And it had been divinely revealed (communicated) to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One). 27 And prompted by the [Holy] Spirit, he came into the temple [enclosure]; and when the parents brought in the little child Jesus to do for Him what was customary according to the Law, 28 [Simeon] took Him up in his arms and praised and thanked God and said, 29 And now, Lord, You are releasing Your servant to depart (leave this world) in peace, according to Your word.

Luke is considered the gospel for those who are raptured prior to the tribulation. These are the ones who were looking for the Lord before He was even born. Mark is the gospel to those who wake up after the rapture. For them the gospel begins with the ministry of John about 30 years after this. This chapter reveals two witnesses, Simeon and Anna. During the tribulation there will also be two witnesses (signified by the ministry of John the Baptist). We need this, all of us need this, whether you are "the mother Mary" or someone left behind.

30 For with my [own] eyes I have seen Your Salvation, 31 Which You have ordained and prepared before (in the presence of) all peoples, 32 A Light for revelation to the Gentiles [to disclose what was before unknown] and [to bring] praise and honor and glory to Your people Israel. 33 And His [legal] father and [His] mother were marveling at what was said about Him. 34 And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother, Behold, this Child is appointed and destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against—35 And a sword will pierce through your own soul also—that the secret thoughts and purposes of many hearts may be brought out and disclosed.

Jesus is destined for the fall of many, not just the rising. All those who have sold themselves to do evil will fall. During the tribulation He will be a sign that is spoken against. In the end the secret thoughts and purposes of the heart will be brought out. Simeon had a secret and it was just brought out, Jesus being the incarnated God had a secret, not all secrets of the heart are evil. There is a joke about some Christians being “secret agents”. Whatever you are on the inside will be revealed at this time. This is why they hated Donald Trump. The way this deep state, the corrupt wicked people in authority can stay there is from "mutual assured destruction". No one exposes anyone otherwise they all get exposed. This is how Hoover ran the FBI, he dug dirt on everyone not to expose them but to use it for leverage against them. Why do you think the FBI had Hunter Biden's laptop for a year and were silent. They wanted Biden to get elected because then they would have maximum leverage. Trump ruined all that. He was happy to expose them all. They accused him of Russian collusion because they were colluding with Russia. They accused him of being a pervert because they were perverts. They accused him of using his power as President to unfairly influence the election because they did that. They impeached him for negligence in protecting the capital because they were the ones who were negligent. God is not going to let one word fall, this prophecy will be fulfilled.

"The secret thoughts and purposes of many hearts will be brought out and disclosed".
 

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And knew not until the flood came

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

To me this has got to be one of the most incredible prophecies concerning the end times.

1. We are told about this in the Bible, the single best selling book of all time, it is everywhere, every library, every book store, just about every home. Go to any hotel and you'll find one in your room. So how could they not know?

2. There are amazing prophecies that must be fulfilled beforehand. Israel must return to the good land. The whole world sees this and yet doesn't know? Israel must get Jerusalem back, the whole world sees this and yet still doesn't know?

3. Then the natural disasters will increase exponentially prior to the day of the Lord, doesn't that alarm them and wake them up?

4. Joel says there will be a worldwide pandemic that causes a shutdown of the world's economy because this is God declaring a sabbath rest. How do you not notice this, something that has never happened before in human history?

5. Everyone in the world has heard of Noah, they know that creatures are all going extinct which is why a seed bank designed to save species alive is referred to as the "ark". In the last two decades they found evidence of Noah's ark, they found the ark, they found Noah's home and his wife's burial stone, and they found evidence of this worldwide flood. Yet they don't know?

6. So this prophecy indicates there is a concerted effort to hide the truth just as there was when Jesus rose from the dead. You would think finding Noah's ark would be front page news, instead they mock at these various replicas and museums that have been built.

7. There is a judgement here. Imagine you live a few miles from Noah where he is building this humongous ark and you don't know? How could you not be interested enough to stop by and find out what he is doing and why?

8. We have had signs in the heavens, and we had the sign of Jonah last year, and I could go on and on which is why this is post #5,258. I have gone on and on. That is what I can't understand, how do they not know? 93,000 people have viewed this site, I am posting links to at least 20 other sites who are also sounding the warning and alarms. There are conferences going on about the rapture this weekend. In the end if you don't know it is because you willfully refused to listen and closed your eyes.