Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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When Israel crossed the Jordan and entered the good land the first city to be defeated was Jericho. That city depicts censorship. In the Satanic kingdom of darkness controlling what people say is always the first thing the dictators do.

How do you defeat this city? You preach the gospel, that is what the marching around the city blowing the horn indicates. The sounding of the horn signifies the coming of the king and also the call to battle. Inside that city it seems they are shut up, and no one is receiving your message. But in reality they are all in a panic, watching the news, wondering when the attack is coming. The wall has a place where the soldiers stand to watch what is going on and everyone keeps going to them "what do you see" and they keep responding "nothing, they are just walking around the city". This causes everyone to question the talking heads. They know they are liars, they know they censor the truth, so this just causes everyone within that city to no longer trust the "overlords". Everyone now feels if they were up on top they would be able to figure out what they are doing. So on the seventh day when they hear the horns sounding again and again and the shout they know "now something is happening" and they all rush to the top of the wall to see for themselves and as a result the wall falls down flat. It was not designed for everyone in the city to bum rush to the top at the same time. This is the problem with censorship, you lose credibility and trust.
 

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Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day?

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. 2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel. 3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

Elijah going up in a chariot is a type of the rapture. These types all reveal something about the rapture. They are like photographs and if you put them all together you get a fuller picture. Samson pushes out the pillars on a great sacrifice to Dagon. I understand the worship of Dagon to be connected to the Catholic church since the hat the priests of Dagon wore are the same as the hat the Pope wears. Then when Elijah calls down fire to clear up the confusion between the worship of Baal and the worship of the true God we see 400 prophets of Baal and 450 prophets that sit at the table of Jezebel all assembled. We would not see that on Christmas or Easter, the leaders of the Catholic church and the Denominational churches would all be in their locality on these days. However, the funeral of a Pope would call them all to be gathered together in St. Peter's Square and that funeral would be seen as a great sacrifice to Dagon. Now when Jesus raised Lazarus he had been in the grave for four days. The funeral of a Pope takes place 4-6 days after they die. So this also helps confirm that this event is probably the funeral of a Pope. I am not saying that the Pope will be raptured, again when Elijah calls down fire the prophets of Baal have sacrificed a bull. So he would be their sacrifice. Elijah's sacrifice would be all the people of faith over the last four thousand years since the time of Abraham. So when we put this altogether once we hear of the pope dying and they set the date for the funeral we would know the day of the rapture. Granted there have been 112 Popes, but we have been given the Prophecy of the Popes by Saint Malachi, so that helps us to realize we are talking about this particular Pope. Other signs like the Writing on the Wall sign also let us know it will be this March. So now we can look at this story with Elijah being taken up and realize all the genuine prophets of God knew the day Elijah would be raptured. That is my point from this story. According to the types and shadows when the day of the rapture comes those who have been carefully studying these things will know. Two thousand years ago they didn't know, and even two hundred years ago they didn't know, but when the day comes we will know just as Noah knew to enter the ark and Lot knew to get out of Sodom.

4 And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho. 5 And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

By the testimony of two or three witnesses let a thing be established. In both places, the place of consecration and the place of overcoming the fear to speak we get this testimony. This establishes the fact that those who are fully consecrated to the Lord and are witnesses of Him will know the day of the rapture.

They start at Gilgal. That is where the 12 stones are that they set up when they crossed the Jordan river. It is a place of consecration. Jericho was the first city that Israel had to defeat to enter the good land. It signifies censorship. The first hurdle we must all overcome is our fear of speaking for the Lord. The city has a curse on it, so it also signifies those who are in the world, living under a curse, and they can be saved by Jesus who became a curse for us. We see this also as it is almost forbidden to talk about the rapture, and if you do talk about it you definitely cannot say the day when the rapture will be.

6 And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the Lord hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on. 7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. 8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

The Jordan river is an obstacle, but if you have faith you can overcome that obstacle. That is a key lesson that Elisha needs to learn. Crossing the Jordan depicts freedom from oppression, deliverance, to have your bonds broken. It is a line that separates the good land from the wilderness. Do not think that you will cross this line when you are raptured, you must cross it first so that you can be raptured.

9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

Elisha is said to represent the tribulation saints while Elijah represents the saints in the church age. This double portion indicates a great revival during the tribulation, a time of miracles.

10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.

Being a witness of the rapture is critical for this revival. Right now there is so much confusion, everyone has a different understanding of the Bible. We see through a glass darkly, so in some respects this is understandable. But we also have false prophets, deceivers, Satan disguising himself as an angel of light, etc. This verse here tells us something critical, we must see that all those religious leaders are gathered in one spot and they are not raptured. That will eliminate all confusion that they can sow. But you also need to know those who are raptured and see them raptured. That way you will know who was telling you the truth and who was lying to you. They get a double portion of the Spirit because you eliminate all that deception, all that deceit and all that confusion.

11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

If thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so
 

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PROPHECY THE SNARE HAS BEEN LAID


Jer. 50:21-32 21 Go up against the land of Merathaim, even against it, and against the inhabitants of Pekod; waste and utterly destroy after them, saith the LORD, and do according to all that I have commanded thee. 22 A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction. 23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! How is Babylon become a desolation among nations! 24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. 25 The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans. 26 Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left. 27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! For their day is come, the time of their visitation. 28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple. 29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it, round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel. 30 Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all of her men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD. 31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. 32 And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him.

My son, the snare has been laid and this nation will stumble pridefully into it. The church is not even aware of the trap, for they are too focused on receiving blessings. This snare has been set because you, My beloved church, have strived for it. I have opened up My armoury and have brought forth My weapons of indignation for this time, saith the Lord.

My son, I will send forth from the utmost north a nation that will take everything by force, nothing will be left standing. Your young men will fall in the streets, and your women will be ravaged. All the men of war will be cut off, and a great wail will go up from a nation once proud and strong. Behold, I am against you who thought you could be great again; never again will those words be heard. Hear me now saith the Lord of Heaven's Armies, this nation will fall in one hour, and the Bear will devour it's prey. This nation has stumbled and fallen, and none will help pick it up. Because of the arrogance and pride of America, the world will cheer at her defeat. War is coming, My people. You should be preparing, you should be hearing my true watchmen, but you do not see, for you are blind. You do not hear the warnings because you are deaf. You do not prepare for anything because you are lazy. So many of My Children will perish because they were too prideful to believe that I still use watchmen and prophets to warn My body. REPENT NOW!!! Repent and seek Me with all you have, or you will be just as dirt on the ground.

My son, this word is hard because I am coming soon, and only My faithful remnant are ready. Coming very soon, this nation will be shaken to it's very core. Many will fall and hell will be enlarged. Time is now! get your house in order, get your heart in order, for I am coming soon, get ready.

I love you My beloved remnant, stay in My Word.

Amen Lord Jesus
 

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PROPHECY-- AMERICA'S IRON YOKE



Jeremiah 28:12-14 12 Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying, 13 Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron. 14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

My son, as America continues to slide into the abyss - I WILL CONTINUE TO TIGHTEN THE IRON YOKE THAT I HAVE PLACED UPON HER NECK. America has now fallen and worships every foul idol that stands against Me. I will continue to allow the people of this nation to fall into UTTER DARKNESS. The intent of the peoples' hearts are continually evil, and they REFUSE TO REPENT of their evil ways. I will turn them all over to a DEBASED MIND and allow My righteous judgments to OVERTAKE them.

My son, even those of My body have ALLOWED every foul spirit into their midst. Therefore, I will even TIGHTEN THE YOKE OF IRON on the necks of an unrepentant body. They will feel the judgments that I AM PLACING upon a rebellious people. I WILL BEGIN TO TEAR DOWN THEIR BUILDINGS AND SCATTER THEM. THEY WILL CRY OUT TO ME TO REMOVE THE YOKE - BUT I WILL NOT HEAR THEM - FOR THEY REFUSE TO REPENT AND TURN THEIR HEARTS TOWARDS ME. THEY CONTINUE TO TRUST IN A MAN AND SYSTEMS THEY HAVE CREATED.

My son, the BURDEN of this judgment falls on the SHEPHERDS who have led My children far from Me. AMERICA - THE YOKE OF IRON IS NOW BEING TIGHTENED as My body has REFUSED TO STAND for the statutes that I have set forth in My Word. As My army of warriors have laid down their swords and refuse to fight, I WILL ALLOW the reprobates to become more VILE and begin the PERSECUTION that My children so FEAR. The BLESSED HOPE that My children claim is to TAKE THEM AWAY will only be found on BLOODY KNEES.

My son, I know My servants are wearied from SHOUTING REPENT to a deaf body - but very soon I WILL START THE SHAKING - and the DEAD WILL WAKE and realize they have been DECEIVED. MY DEAD BODY WILL SLOWLY COME TO LIFE IN AMERICA - AFTER MUCH PERSECUTION. Many will die during this time and come home early - while MY REMNANT continue to fight on their knees. REPENT NOW, you lukewarm children and turn from your sins and follow Me! I WILL NOT BREAK THE YOKE OF IRON UNTIL I RETURN. I AM COMING SOON.

Amen. Lord Jesus
 

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Purim (1)

Esther and Ruth are two books of the Bible named after women and in both cases they describe the raptured saints. They give us two different views of the Bride of Christ.

Esther 9:1 Now in the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar, on the thirteenth day of the same, when the king's commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution, in the day that the enemies of the Jews hoped to have power over them, (though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them

So then in this book the King represents God. So God's decree draws near where the enemies of the Jews hope to have power over them. I think that is a reference to the start of the 70th week, which will start on Nisan 1. To understand that we need to understand "70 weeks". 70x7 = 490 and that is the number of times the Lord designated to forgive those that sin against you. We can summarize this as the Jews rejecting Jesus as the Messiah 490 times. The most likely way in which this 70th week will begin is with the sacrifice of a red heifer. Jesus was sacrificed for us, the Bible tells us clearly there is no longer another sacrifice for sin. The Jewish religion was based on sacrificing animals as a stop gap measure until the Messiah was sacrificed as their Passover lamb. To reject that sacrifice is a sin and by sacrificing a red heifer to cleanse and sanctify the priests is an insult to the Lord. If the Jews want to start up their old religion again, most likely with a big Passover celebration they would need to first sacrifice the Red Heifer. So if they were to do that on Nisan 1 it would be the start of the 70th week. My understanding is that the Red Heifers that Israel has brought to sacrifice are the right age and some have been certified as genuine red heifers. However, in a year they will likely be too old. I don't think that is a hard and fast rule, however as the cows get older they are more and more likely to have a few hairs change color and no longer be certified.

2 The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, to lay hand on such as sought their hurt: and no man could withstand them; for the fear of them fell upon all people.

We know that Satan desires our hurt, but this is more bold than usual. They actually have some sinister plan to kill all the Jews that they thought was about to go into action. This is very clearly a reference to the tribulation, to the hour of trial that the church in Philadelphia is kept from. This is Biblical proof that the seventieth week and the tribulation both start on Nisan 1, not on Tishrei 1.

3 And all the rulers of the provinces, and the lieutenants, and the deputies, and officers of the king, helped the Jews; because the fear of Mordecai fell upon them.

Now why would this be? We can see a shadow of this with the Trump movement. No one feared "MAGA" when Biden was elected and they did as they pleased. But since Trump being reelected in November of 2024 everything is changed. You can tell many people are now fearful of MAGA and many are helping them.

4 For Mordecai was great in the king's house, and his fame went out throughout all the provinces: for this man Mordecai waxed greater and greater.

What does this mean? I think this is a reference to the rapture. I believe the rapture prior to the tribulation is when the Lord chooses out those who will take the spiritual lead in His body. It could be in worship, in preaching, in teaching, in prophesying, in miracles or whatever. I have said before it is like the Lord taking the first string off the field in football and putting the second and third string in.

5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.

We see this in Samson pushing out the pillars and we see this in the Fire falling on Elijah's sacrifice. We also see this in the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead and the Jewish leaders saying they needed to kill Jesus or else the whole world will follow Him. I think this is the response of the Antichrist after the rapture and seeing the great revival that it sparks.

6 And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men. 7 And Parshandatha, and Dalphon, and Aspatha, 8 And Poratha, and Adalia, and Aridatha, 9 And Parmashta, and Arisai, and Aridai, and Vajezatha,

These 11 places describe the whole world, there is a worldwide revival. Why not use the number 12 to depict the whole world? Because one of the twelve has been removed at the rapture.

10 The ten sons of Haman the son of Hammedatha, the enemy of the Jews, slew they; but on the spoil laid they not their hand.

Once again, we saw this with Elijah when he slew the prophets of Baal. We see this in Revelation where Babylon the Great is thrown down at the same time as the Man child is caught up.

11 On that day the number of those that were slain in Shushan the palace was brought before the king. 12 And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have they done in the rest of the king's provinces? now what is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done. 13 Then said Esther, If it please the king, let it be granted to the Jews which are in Shushan to do to morrow also according unto this day's decree, and let Haman's ten sons be hanged upon the gallows.

You can't slay a person today and tomorrow. Once they are "slain" that is it. However, the thing that has been can be the thing that will be and according to the Bible there is no new thing under the sun. So it is reasonable that Esther's prayer is that what they have done here will be a shadow of what they will do during the end of the age. We can pray that God would be with us and we would be victorious over the enemies of God today just like Esther was yesterday.

14 And the king commanded it so to be done: and the decree was given at Shushan; and they hanged Haman's ten sons.

Another way to look at this is a duplicate victory. The tribulation saints are led in victory during the first half of the tribulation and the Jews as a nation are led in victory during the second half of the tribulation. Think of a playoff game in Basketball where you must win 3 out of 5.

15 For the Jews that were in Shushan gathered themselves together on the fourteenth day also of the month Adar, and slew three hundred men at Shushan; but on the prey they laid not their hand.

500 and then 300, that is a total of 800. One hundred is the number of absolute completion and 8 is the number of new beginnings and of the Lord Jesus. Purim marks this absolute expression of Jesus in His victory and marks a new beginning.

16 But the other Jews that were in the king's provinces gathered themselves together, and stood for their lives, and had rest from their enemies, and slew of their foes seventy and five thousand, but they laid not their hands on the prey,

The spoil is a temptation, and it is cursed. To not lay hands on the spoil indicates that they are not only victorious over death, but also over sin and temptation. It is very clear in the account there are groups. Notice how these ones "gathered themselves together". This indicates they had been scattered like the woman that flees into the wilderness after the Man Child is caught up. This reminds me of Philadelphia, all those members are told that they will no longer have to go out, they were like Antipas, ones who had been driven out from the other churches and scattered. What is the big reason that the other five churches reject the path that Smyrna and Philadelphia have taken? Well they want to lay hands on the spoil. What is the main reason that Antipas was against all and was martyred or excommunicated? He convicted them of sin in laying hand on the spoil. After the rapture many believers will see their mistake and now they are taking the same path that those in Philadelphia took.
 

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17 On the thirteenth day of the month Adar; and on the fourteenth day of the same rested they, and made it a day of feasting and gladness. 18 But the Jews that were at Shushan assembled together on the thirteenth day thereof, and on the fourteenth thereof; and on the fifteenth day of the same they rested, and made it a day of feasting and gladness.

Purim is a day of feasting and gladness. But Amos speaks of the rapture as turning that feasting and gladness to mourning as for an only son. Jesus said they will be eating and drinking right up until the rapture. Once again, that aligns with a rapture on Purim.

19 Therefore the Jews of the villages, that dwelt in the unwalled towns, made the fourteenth day of the month Adar a day of gladness and feasting, and a good day, and of sending portions one to another.

This aligns with no one knowing the day, is it the 13th or the 14th? Purim, like the feast of trumpets, is "the longest day" and "the day that no one knows".

20 And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, both nigh and far, 21 To stablish this among them, that they should keep the fourteenth day of the month Adar, and the fifteenth day of the same, yearly, 22 As the days wherein the Jews rested from their enemies, and the month which was turned unto them from sorrow to joy, and from mourning into a good day: that they should make them days of feasting and joy, and of sending portions one to another, and gifts to the poor.

So then it seems the 13th, the 14th and the 15th are days to celebrate Purim. The rapture is accompanied with three days of darkness, so this might fit together somehow, just as Lazarus was raised from the grave the fourth day, you could view the three days before this as three days of darkness. I don't believe the three days of darkness can precede the rapture because if you did that where would the surprise be? Instead I see this as a mirror image, whereas with Lazarus he was in the grave three days and then raised the fourth, and at the end of the age the rapture takes place followed by three days of darkness.

23 And the Jews undertook to do as they had begun, and as Mordecai had written unto them; 24 Because Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, the enemy of all the Jews, had devised against the Jews to destroy them, and had cast Pur, that is, the lot, to consume them, and to destroy them; 25 But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head, and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.

Got to appreciate this. What has gotten God's people into trouble for the last six thousand years ever since the fall? They have failed to do as God has instructed. So then they have learned their lesson by the time we get to Esther. Then we also learn God's righteous judgment, as you have done it will be done to you. With what measure you measure it will be measured to you.

26 Wherefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. Therefore for all the words of this letter, and of that which they had seen concerning this matter, and which had come unto them, 27 The Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would keep these two days according to their writing, and according to their appointed time every year; 28 And that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed.

This is an appointed day, but it is not one of the feasts of the Lord in the Torah. That is important because there are two different covenants and we in the New Testament are not in the Old Covenant. The Jews keep Purim and the Christians keep the blessed hope of the rapture.

29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim. 30 And he sent the letters unto all the Jews, to the hundred twenty and seven provinces of the kingdom of Ahasuerus, with words of peace and truth, 31 To confirm these days of Purim in their times appointed, according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry. 32 And the decree of Esther confirmed these matters of Purim; and it was written in the book.
 

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I do not generally post links from Wackadoodle Samoan and this may be the first link I have posted in #13,327. Nor do I generally post anything without a Biblical basis. So the Biblical basis for the above post is that many refer to Israel as God's timepiece and those prophecies are very precise as to the time based on what is happening in Israel.

Now in these three posts he says his fourth post will offend many. I am not posting it even though I am not offended. He is basically saying a certain man is the Antichrist.

The reason I am not posting this is I will address this issue myself.

First, I believe quite strongly that the following people are key figures in Biblical prophecy for the end times:

Donald J. Trump, Elon Musk, King Charles, Emmanuel Macron, Benjamin Netanyahu, Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud, Pope Francis, Barak Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Vladimir Putin, Steve Bannon and Jizkiahu Ben David.

This fixation on one person is going to cause us to miss the forest because we are trying to pick out one tree.

If you have been paying close attention you will also know there are several very well known people in the US in the occult, some are 33 degree FreeMasons, others are involved in Witchcraft.

It bothers me that Christians are fixated on these people, if you simply believe the Bible then you would know the whole world lies in the evil one. People get roped into this bondage to sin for several reasons. Some may think that one world government is the best thing for the earth, others may be blackmailed into being involved and still others may have naively cut a deal with Satan and do not realize that if they would confess their sins, repent and plead the blood of Jesus those chains would be cut and they can still be saved.

Anyway there are many Antichrists, not just one, though in the Bible there is only one that is called "The Antichrist". Also, the word Antichrist does not mean "against Christ" it should be understood as "counterfeit Christ". Everything Satan does is simply a counterfeit of what God has done. They will present the Antichrist as a savior on a white horse come to rescue us. The same people who created the crisis will then use that crisis to present the AntiChrist as the solution.
 

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Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

This is what we see with Samson pushing out the pillars and when Elijah calls down the fire and with the book of Esther. You do not see this with any of the feasts of the Lord in the Torah, but you do see it with the 15th of Av. Both of these days are on full moons as well.
 

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I have heard that the Jews do not have the thought of the Son of God becoming man and then becoming a savior.

Really?

Eve is called the mother of all living, Adam became a living soul, so there is a basis to have a second Adam who is a life giving Spirit.

Adam was made in the image and likeness of God. We are then told that Jesus is the image of the invisible God and He bore witness of God, hence He was the likeness of God as well.

Surely Noah gives us the thought of a savior.

Abraham is given a promised blessing where all the nations will be blessed by his seed.

David is also given a promise that his seed will sit on the eternal throne.

Joseph was given the Egyptian name Zaph Naph Paneah which means "Savior of the world".

What about Moses, wasn't he a savior to the Jews who were slaves?
 
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If you are talking about Post #13,330 are you saying that there is no hint of Jesus Christ being the savior of the world in the Old Testament?
I was joking man write on. I just cant figure out how some of you guy's have the time in a day to just sit and type on a computer keyboard as much as some of you do. My lawn would be knee high to a giraffe if I did that.
 

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My testimony of how I got saved

I joined a Pee Wee football team. We had a very good coach and we went undefeated and qualified to play a bowl game in Florida (we were located in NY). We won that game too and then were told we were "national champions" based on some formula that includes our grades in school. As a result of this I got a big head, and this was the same year that Mohammed Ali was going to fight Joe Frazier in Madison Square Garden. I was in sixth grade and I organized our own prize fight. We had two undercard fights and then I fought Mike Irwin. We had roped off a ring in my friends back yard and put down mattresses. We had three judges and a referee and a time keeper. We fought 12 3 minute rounds. From the very beginning I was losing and between each round all I wanted was someone to tell me what I needed to do but my friends in my corner were as clueless as I was. I lost a decision after 12 rounds. Now I know why these fighters will check into a hospital after a 12 round fight. That was the closest I have ever come to death. Then the next year I was on the Pee Wee football team again and we again went undefeated. The previous year we had beat out some team in Texas for the national championship by a tiny fraction of a point so our bowl game was in Dallas to play them. We won that game and again were national champions. However, I was now too old for that team and the next level team was not very good and neither was our high school team when I got to high school. I had learned in those three years that what I needed was a coach. If I had a great coach it would make all the difference. So I began to think about what I would do for the rest of my life, what would I like to do. I thought about hockey but figured what is the point to giving yourself 100% for something that you were going to have to retire from at 35? I thought of many things but nothing seemed to be worth giving your whole life to. Then it occurred to me I needed to know if God was real. If God was real and I would have to stand before him after I die then that makes a huge impact on what I should and should not do. As soon as I thought that I realized that was a stupid question, of course God was real.

So then my second question was "which God is real?" I was raised a Christian but it seemed absurd to me that some guy 2,000 years ago walking around in sandals with dirty feet was God. On the other hand the God of the Jews, that definitely was the real God. My best friend, who was ironically named Joshua, was Jewish so I began going to the Synagogue with him and I wanted to start studying the Bible. I figured if Jesus was not God there had to be a mistake in the New Testament, I'd find the mistake and then could rule out Jesus. At this time I was at church with my family and they read the verse about Jesus coming down in the clouds in great glory. As soon as I heard that I thought "That's it! I would gladly give my life to be there." Within I heard "pray about it" (I knew the verse ask and you shall receive). So I thought "I will". Immediately I hear the reply "This time, do it!" So as soon as church was over I went to my room, got down on my knees and prayed "Lord, I want to see you when you come down in those clouds". In my mind I heard the response "you will, and furthermore I say unto you that you are a son of God".

That blew me away, a son of God! My Father is the one who created the whole universe!

That was when I first started praying to Jesus. It wasn't until my freshman year in college that I met some Evangelical Christians who led me to get baptized and taught me the Bible. But my burden in sharing this is that Jesus is that great coach. If you allow Him to teach and train you then you can become a champion, otherwise you will go through life getting beat up, bloodied, and miserable.
 

ZNP

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I was joking man write on. I just cant figure out how some of you guy's have the time in a day to just sit and type on a computer keyboard as much as some of you do. My lawn would be knee high to a giraffe if I did that.
No problem, I have saved these all on Pdfs and they are on the computer, so they are not cluttering up a bookshelf. They make up at least 9 400 page books or more. Also, I am retired, so time is not an issue.