Believe that you NEED a Marriage License in order to be truly Married? (Lesson)

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BlackTigress777

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(This is mainly addressed to Christians who live in America. If your country uses marriage licenses, this message may be sought out to you as well. By the way, I am NOT against or hate homosexuals or bisexuals.)

I have a very important question, why exactly do (some) christians say that in order to be married in God's Eyes, you HAVE to have a marriage license AND a ceremony?

1. "Not under law, but under grace."

For one, the bible never states HOW you have to marry. It does state that it is a convenant between a Man, Woman and God. From a religious view point, marriage is Not a privilege, it's a Right that we automatically have - and it's a right to have with any one. Once again, the bible never states How to marry or who to marry to. There are ways to how marriage is shown within the bible, but anyone saying that you HAVE to have a ceremony, license, witness, priest, make it public or that it Has to be within a Church is merely stating their Opinion to how to be considered married to God.

Marriage is a covenant between Man, Woman and God. It is an Option - we do Not have to get married to someone if we don't want to. Since we're under grace and not under the law, there is no specific thing that we Have to do in order to be considered married Except have that faithful promise to our husband/wife and keeping it faithful through God. The covenant is the Source of the marriage. Of course the bible explains how you should Treat your husband or wife with good advice, but this is Within the marriage.

Technically, asking "How do I marry according to the bible?" is like asking "How do I love my Mother according to the bible?" The bible states To love and respect your mother, but it Never states exactly HOW to love your mother.

2. Choosing the Government over God?

I'm always constantly hearing christians say "We have to submit to the 'Law of the Land' and it's Governing Authorities, so you must get a marriage license in order to be married in God's eyes - it's the right thing to do. If you do not get a marriage license, you're rebelling against the law of the land and are not submitting yourself to it." So basically,

The Government automatically has a Right to change what God has already given to us? The bible never states what we Have to do in order to be considered married Except for the covenant between Man, Woman and God. How does the Government automatically have the power to say if we're married or not - isn't that their Opinion? If the quote that was stated was True, doesn't that mean that the Government has ultimate power between humanity and now They're all of a sudden allowed to change what's in the bible to gain more money and power for themselves?

Well..Actually (according to the American standard), the Government isn't stating that.

According to the first ammendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

America is a "Freedom of Religion" state. According to our religion, there is nothing that we Have to do in order to be considered Married except for the covenant of Man, Woman and God. "Congress shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion"..This statement automatically proves that the marriage license is not enforced BY LAW, therefore you are Not rebelling against the law of the land if you choose Not to get a marriage license.

3. Then what is the purpose of a marriage license?
Originally, the marriage license is a Result of segregation in the late 1900s, but now days the marriage license is an Option for financial benefits for a marriage (or technically, if you just want benefits from someone - you can be "legally" married to the person next door just for financial benefits, not necessarily being in love with them...even though that wouldn't quite seem right..)

What does it mean to be Legally married then?
Being "legally" married means that you can Legally recieve these benefits from the U.S. - these benefits are according to insurance, taxes, credit scores, expenses, employer benefits and such.
If your marriage is "recognized by the Government" (meaning that you have a marriage license - or common law marriage), you are Legally allowed to recieve these benefits.
If you are married With Out a marriage license, this Doesn't mean that your marriage is Illegal, it means that it WOULD BE Illegal if you were to gain these benefits With Out a marriage license.

How do I feel about the Marriage License?
I don't like the fact that it originated from segregation, however, it's purpose has changed. I believe that that a marriage license is unnecessary if a couple does not want to/ cannot have children. But I do feel if you Want to go on with the American tradition or simply want one, that you should get one or if you do choose to start a family - mainly for the financial benefits. Although some christians are against the marriage license and believe that the government has control over your kids if you get one - I don't think that. No one has True control over Your children. The government can't force your kids to eat straight vegetables or to sit down/stand up if they ever tell them too..things like that.

4. You do not Have to follow Tradition.

A tradition is considered to be "a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, also a basical character of a society still maintained in the present, with origins in the past." Basically, a tradition doesn't just pop up in mid air, it's made or created by someone or a group of people. S
ome people even consider some wedding traditions to be Pagan (for example, wedding rings.)

According to the "Law of the Land" and the bible, you do Not need to Follow any form of tradition at any time - this includes Marriage. Tradition can be something that's very opinionated. Just because I can decide to do jumping jacks before I brush my teeth and hardly anyone else does, doesn't mean that what I do isn't a Tradition. It's a tradition to Me because that would be something I do everyday. You do Not HAVE to have a ceremony in order to be considered married. As a matter of fact, if you want to celebrate your marriage or just do something for it, you can do pretty much whatever you want (of course, not anything Bad..) If you want to jump off of a skyscraper in order to celebrate your marriage, then do so. This can be how you take part of your very own tradition.

(btw, those were merely examples..I do not do jumping jacks before brushing my teeth..repeat..do not do jumping jacks before brushing my teeth..nor do I want to jump off a skycraper in order to celebrate marriage..)


5. Witness?

This is an opinion that I'm clearly confussed with. Many christians also state that you need a witness in order to be Married. Once again the bible Never states How to be considered married besides the covenant between Man, Woman and God.

..I could never understand Why you would need a witness for something such as marriage. The marriage is between Two people (and God), no more than that - so there is no witness Needed for it. And for what exactly? The two people are marrying each other, not commiting crime..Why would someone ask the "witness" something about these two being married? ..."Hey, are those two over there married?" "Yes, I was a witness." ..Whoever asked the original question could simply just ask one person of the couple if they're married or not, Why would this person need proof? I mean for what reason?

Although unneccessary, this isn't one of the crazier opinions of how to be married in God's eyes..then again it isn't quite understandable either (in My opinion..)

Overall:

We are Not under Law, but under Grace. There is the 10 (9) commandments that we should try our best to follow, but in order to Marry - to establish the covenant between Man, Woman and God, you do not Have to do anything else besides making the promise to your husband or wife. The bible does Not state who and how to marry. Once again, as christians, we are Not under Law, but under Grace. We can marry however and *whoever we want to, just as long as we go by the covenant.

*(of course, no incest..just had to state that.)

You Disagree with what I'm saying?

If you disagree with what I am saying because of Opinion, then I understand that. If you disagree because of facts, then there should be statements within the Bible that states what you Have to do in order to be married Besides the covenant between Man, Woman and God.

#1. I still don't believe that a couple isn't married in God's eyes if they're married with out a marriage license.

(1) If they're Not "legally" married as a couple and not thus meaning not married in God's eyes, then exactly What are they? If they are just "girlfriend & boyfriend" and technically not "legally married", couldn't they have Many girlfriends and boyfriends? If they're not having sex with each other, the technically they could have as many girlfriend/boyfriend relationships as they want, right? (Btw, you can still be a married couple even without having sex.)

(2) Marriage licenses are relatively new, they were made as a result of segregation. If you Truly believe that
a couple isn't married in God's eyes if they're married with out a marriage license, aren't you, in a way, supporting segregation? If it never were for segregation, marriage licenses would Not have existed.

(3) We are under grace, not law. If we Had to get a marriage license in order to be married in God's eyes, wouldn't everything that Paul was saying according to grace be a lie? Wouldn't that be considered a law?

(4) If you
don't believe that a couple isn't married in God's eyes if they're married with out a marriage license, aren't you saying that the Government has the power to change Anything? Isn't that contradicting? If they can clearly change your thoughts into thinking that you Have to have a marriage license, then that means that they've changed marriage in order for it to have a requirement.

#2. According to Romans 13: "
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established."

(1) So God has established a "Freedom of Religion" government upon us? Didn't he tell us Not to worship other idols or "Gods" before him?

(2) Also, according to christianity, isn't homosexuality an abomination? Even though the bible clearly states this, God just happens to allow "Same-Sex" marriage All of a Sudden? Do you feel that God would consider a loving Gay, yet Legally (with marriage license) married couple actually Married than a loving couple between man and women who do are Not "legally" married?

(3) Also, Timothy 1:9 states "
We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers."

So basically, if you disagree with me, you believe that marriage with out a marriage license can be against the Law. So does this mean that originally, the way that God intended marriage to be is technically sinful and ungodly?

(4) Also, to some point, couldn't having a marriage license be considered a love for money? For example (and lets be realistic, mistakes do happen) if a couple were to "legally" divorce, how would you feel if your ex- husband or wife were to rant about how much money they wanted From you, or how much child support they Want from you or how much they clearly don't want to pay?

(5) If Not having a marriage license was against the law, why Isn't it against the law to have sex With Out one? How come a "legally" married couple cannot recieve a license to have sex? Wouldn't this mean that MANY couples would be investigated in some way to figure out if they're having sexual relations? Shouldn't they get arrested if they do? Couldn't someone turn themself in for having sex with someone they're not "legally" married to?

(6) If someone is receiving SSI benefits due to an illness, their benefits can immediately stop due to the fact that she/he has "legally" married - the husband/wife can now pay for her bills towards her illness (this clearly isn't usually the case. Most likely, the husband/wife can't afford to pay off the bills.) Does this mean that the ill just Cannot get married since their benefits will get cut off? Isn't this saying that they're forced to stay single, and if they don't, they may die?

Stated in the First Ammendment -
"Congress shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion", having a marriage license isn't for Or against the law. It is merely an option.

#3. There Has to be a ceremony. Since there were some in the bible, it must be needed in order to be married in God's eyes.

(1) This actually isn't true. Isaac and Rebekah did Not have any ceremony of any kind and they were considered married.

(2) The celebrations or ceremonies of marriages were celebrated for Many days. If you Have to have a ceremony, then shouldn't the ceremony be celebrated for those many days? If it weren't, wouldn't you not be considered married then?

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To me, the world has distorted what marriage was Originally made for, a commitment between a man and woman with a promise to each other. The Heart of marriage is a covenant between Man, Woman and God. Options to have a celebration, ceremony, marriage license and so are Optional and are not NEEDED. I am not 100% for Or against the marriage license or traditions according to marriage. This is truly a statement to those who believe that something materialistic is Needed in order to truly be married. I did this because I am So Tired of people stating their Opinions as Facts to others, and it really needs to stop.

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Here are some sources (I agree with Most of what they're saying, not All - some opinions are stated):

You Don't Need a Marriage License

Marriage License—in Bed with the State!

Marriage License Truth


 
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kenisyes

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It has been so great to see God's teaching lead you over the last few months.

My wife and I had 2 anniversaries. Legal on June 27 and real on Feb. 25.

On June 27, 1981 we held an evangelical outreach service, and led the music ministry gathered from several states, where we became legal. The pastor told us that what we were going to do was against the rules and he could not allow it. The next morning he called us up, and told us God woke him up in the middle of the night, and we could do whatever we wanted. We prayed and trusted God for the weather for our outdoor reception. It was the only sunny day that whole cold, rainy June.

On Feb. 25, 1981 Jesus walked in and married us personally.

My wife was a member of a 150 person prayer group at the time. Not one person even noticed that we were living together, although I was from New Jersey at the time, and this was in upstate New York.

In some states (like Pennsylvania), marriage is legal when two people cohabit and have at least one piece of legal paperwork with joint names usual for husband and wife (even a joint bank account). I think it's to honor something about the maybe not-legal ministry status of Amish people, but I'm not sure. You should see the trouble they have when such a marriage breaks up, and a court has to split the property!

To add to your arguments: Never once in the whole Bible is there any command or example of anyone being married by an outside authority.

To clarify "witness": In Bible days, the young man signed the contract with the girl's father (and gave him some money or gifts), and then went away where his father helped the young man build a house, thus having plenty of teaching time for how to love a woman. The bridegroom went to pick up the arranged for (and paid for) bride. They went into the house, and the best man guarded the door. When they finished consummating the marriage, the groom told the best man to start the party. That was the witnesses. (Also notice how Jesus as Bridegroom honors each custom. I learned this from Messianic Jews.)
 
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BlackTigress777

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The pastor told us that what we were going to do was against the rules and he could not allow it. The next morning he called us up, and told us God woke him up in the middle of the night, and we could do whatever we wanted.
<3

I appreciate everything you said, and I really love that statement. It really does amaze me because this isn't the first time I heard about a pastor being woken up in the middle of the night by God (..the first was my grandfather who was a pastor as well.)

I'm starting to think differently about pastors, the ones who teach right you know..
 

damombomb

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1Timothy4:1-5 In 1 Timothy 4:1-5, Paul warns us of what to expect in the last days of earth's history...
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
What about this scripture?
 
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BlackTigress777

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1Timothy4:1-5 In 1 Timothy 4:1-5, Paul warns us of what to expect in the last days of earth's history...
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."
What about this scripture?
That scripture from my view, states as if certain things are causing the forbidding of marriage - such as the pressure of the marriage license, possible compitition for having a huge, expensive wedding just to compare it to other weddings, financial situations, other christians stating that you HAVE to do this/HAVE to do that in order to be married, worrying about how others feel about the situation - constantly hearing and seeing those things may cause someone to not marry or turn to abstinence (which of course, abstinence isn't exactly bad)

For example, I plan on marrying my best friend (not anytime soon, but eventually). Me and him know each other very well. If something does go wrong and we end up divorcing (and I end up becoming the victim, ex: cheated on - as you know divorce is the result of sin), as of how I feel right now, I believe that I may Never desire to marry anyone else ever again. Now, I'm not 100% sure that I'll stay that way, but since this world is the way that it is now and how (in my opinion) trust is constantly diminishing between relationships, as of right now, I assume that I would rather stay single than to Try to find another best friend and hope that me and this new guy would make it in marriage. Even though I don't believe that my conscience is seared, my own trust itself is seared due to how I think the majority of men and relationships are in this world as a result of certain things.

When it comes to the commanding to abstian from meats, things such as vegetarians (who claim that it's wrong to eat animals with reasons that aren't revolved around health concern), pro-animal organizations and certain other religions who consider other animals as holy can cause others to stop eating meat.

In other words, the pressure caused by the overall Opinion of a subject (or an opinon from someone who's considered important) can sear someone's conscience. It can cause someone to believe that it's a Fact, instead of what it really is - an opinion.

Btw, I actually like that scripture..It seems that my favorite scriptures are within Timothy.
 
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kenisyes

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<3

I appreciate everything you said, and I really love that statement. It really does amaze me because this isn't the first time I heard about a pastor being woken up in the middle of the night by God (..the first was my grandfather who was a pastor as well.)

I'm starting to think differently about pastors, the ones who teach right you know..
This guy was shipped out in due course, as the bishop cleansed the churches of the Holy Spirit.
 
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kenisyes

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For example, I plan on marrying my best friend (not anytime soon, but eventually). Me and him know each other very well. If something does go wrong and we end up divorcing (and I end up becoming the victim, ex: cheated on - as you know divorce is the result of sin), as of how I feel right now, I believe that I may Never desire to marry anyone else ever again. Now, I'm not 100% sure that I'll stay that way, but since this world is the way that it is now and how (in my opinion) trust is constantly diminishing between relationships, as of right now, I assume that I would rather stay single than to Try to find another best friend and hope that me and this new guy would make it in marriage. Even though I don't believe that my conscience is seared, my own trust itself is seared due to how I think the majority of men and relationships are in this world as a result of certain things.
I was hoping you would share this. Anna and I were best friends for four years before Jesus married us. I think He really likes that, when husband and wife can be best friends. Then you get real spiritual love from Him, real friend (soul) love from your past, and you can have the best physical love in your future. It's really a chance for Him to use you.
 
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BlackTigress777

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I was hoping you would share this. Anna and I were best friends for four years before Jesus married us. I think He really likes that, when husband and wife can be best friends. Then you get real spiritual love from Him, real friend (soul) love from your past, and you can have the best physical love in your future. It's really a chance for Him to use you.

It truly is amazing. It really does seem like a story..
I actually have a slight psychological problem (due to issues with my father..who hasn't seen me in about 10 years..) When it comes to the public, I'm Very quiet, and I usually don't talk nor like to talk, unless someone starts the topic or something about them peeks at my interest (like their shirt or something)
..It happened in high school..A mutual friend of ours introduced me to him and his friends. I just happened to sit next by him. The moment he started talking to me, I Knew that we were extremely compatible, regardless to how quiet I was originally. We became good friends immediately and exchanged numbers the same day..lol..We texted each other every single day. Then he started to act more sweet..and started to give me more hugs than he usually did..So I suspected that he liked me. I didn't want to ruin our friendship so soon or something, so I planned to ask him if he liked me in Febuary..But I guess that was too late, because he decided to asked me out in December.

..So, we were high school girlfriend and boyfriend. I was a sophomore, he was a freshmen. Unfortunately..He broke my heart in high school; his friends made rumors about me - some of his guy friends were saying things like "She told me that I was gay" and his girlfriends would say that I gave them a "dirty look". I Never did such things, but of course..this was high school..and the high school in particular was corrupted (in my opinion).

When he broke up with me for those reasons, of course I was very angry and planned to never talk to him again, but he never seemed to leave me alone. One day, I became so mad and I told him how I felt, and I told him that I never wanted to speak to him again.

Four months later..he wrote me a Long message over facebook..it was actually funny..he was trying to do that thing where you talk on a Random topic, then ends the topic with "I just wanted to tell you..you don't have to write back."

But I did write him back, and I was still very upset...But something in my mind told me, no matter how mad I get at this guy, he Still wants to talk to me..If he Still wants to talk to you now, even after all this, then just give him a chance to be your friend again..And so I did.

It's been two years since that happened, and I could count on my fingers of one hand how many days we Haven't talked to each other. We talk to each other almost every single moment of the day. Thing is, I've moved. We still live in the same state, just different locations. I haven't physically seen him in years. Since things are starting to look up to my family (money wise), I'll be able to see him soon. I can't wait.

I'm Really not kidding, when I say that me and him know almost EVERYTHING about each other, I mean it. He knows what health problems I have, to how many moles I have on my face..

It truly is a great experience to love a best friend. It's much more then just physical attraction and slight compatibility, you know..? :)
 
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BlackTigress777

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..btw, a little extra note..My avatar represents me and him....lol..I love animals, so I claim that I'm a black tigress and that he's a gold lion...lol..
(Rare - as in it would be rare to see a Black Tiger / Individual - the stripes on a tiger repesent it's own individuality. I'm my own person, so I'm a "Rare Individual"..my own little made up thing..lol)
 
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kenisyes

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It truly is amazing. It really does seem like a story..
I actually have a slight psychological problem (due to issues with my father..who hasn't seen me in about 10 years..) When it comes to the public, I'm Very quiet, and I usually don't talk nor like to talk, unless someone starts the topic or something about them peeks at my interest (like their shirt or something)
..It happened in high school..A mutual friend of ours introduced me to him and his friends. I just happened to sit next by him. The moment he started talking to me, I Knew that we were extremely compatible, regardless to how quiet I was originally. We became good friends immediately and exchanged numbers the same day..lol..We texted each other every single day. Then he started to act more sweet..and started to give me more hugs than he usually did..So I suspected that he liked me. I didn't want to ruin our friendship so soon or something, so I planned to ask him if he liked me in Febuary..But I guess that was too late, because he decided to asked me out in December.

..So, we were high school girlfriend and boyfriend. I was a sophomore, he was a freshmen. Unfortunately..He broke my heart in high school; his friends made rumors about me - some of his guy friends were saying things like "She told me that I was gay" and his girlfriends would say that I gave them a "dirty look". I Never did such things, but of course..this was high school..and the high school in particular was corrupted (in my opinion).

When he broke up with me for those reasons, of course I was very angry and planned to never talk to him again, but he never seemed to leave me alone. One day, I became so mad and I told him how I felt, and I told him that I never wanted to speak to him again.

Four months later..he wrote me a Long message over facebook..it was actually funny..he was trying to do that thing where you talk on a Random topic, then ends the topic with "I just wanted to tell you..you don't have to write back."

But I did write him back, and I was still very upset...But something in my mind told me, no matter how mad I get at this guy, he Still wants to talk to me..If he Still wants to talk to you now, even after all this, then just give him a chance to be your friend again..And so I did.

It's been two years since that happened, and I could count on my fingers of one hand how many days we Haven't talked to each other. We talk to each other almost every single moment of the day. Thing is, I've moved. We still live in the same state, just different locations. I haven't physically seen him in years. Since things are starting to look up to my family (money wise), I'll be able to see him soon. I can't wait.

I'm Really not kidding, when I say that me and him know almost EVERYTHING about each other, I mean it. He knows what health problems I have, to how many moles I have on my face..

It truly is a great experience to love a best friend. It's much more then just physical attraction and slight compatibility, you know..? :)
And doesn't it feel great to tell the story right out loud? It's glory to God and you know it's right and you know it's personally for you. I doubt I will live long enough to see even half of what God is going to do through the two of you, but I hope I see some of it.

Oh, Anna was the only person in my life I could talk to for over 3 hours. We could and did talk all night very often. And I'm the same way about talking to people. [That's why I like it here. I know everyone wants to talk about what I want to talk about.]
 
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kenisyes

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..btw, a little extra note..My avatar represents me and him....lol..I love animals, so I claim that I'm a black tigress and that he's a gold lion...lol..
(Rare - as in it would be rare to see a Black Tiger / Individual - the stripes on a tiger repesent it's own individuality. I'm my own person, so I'm a "Rare Individual"..my own little made up thing..lol)
You need to see my website, and learn about elves and seagulls.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Sounds like you really don't appreciate Romans 13.
 
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the two become one flesh.

Nuff said.

Mutual sexual love is as much as a bond for marriage as anything.

Sex is meant for two people in love.

So, consummation is confirmation.

Engaged to be married.

'married', in the old sense, is the merging of two things.

Oxygen marries with hydrogen and they become water.
 
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Note: with enough 'manipulation', water can again become hydrogen and oxygen.

There are ground where marriage is 'defiled'.

If someone cheats on me, they have broken their bond to me. Because they have broken their bond to God. I have a choice, forgive, or sever the marriage.

The remission lies on her shoulders.

For how can I love one who does not love me?

For God is love.

People do make mistakes. But it all depends, are they sorry?

One instance, because we are one flesh, where I really can 'expect' something.

But I think a lot of that would be avoided for marrying for the right reasons in the first place.

'Youthful bloom' not being one of them.
 
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psychomom

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Tigress, just a few thoughts---

You are young, and most likely both of you are in fairly good health ( I hope! :) )
but the hard fact is if we want our spouses' health benefits, we have to do it up
all nice and proper, legally speaking.

Also---do couples who cohabit without the gov't license
find it easier to walk away from one another when times get tough?
Is the fact they don't have to go through legal divorce proceedings
making it just...simpler? (as in, simplified?)
We all are prone to leaving God's ways at times.
Maybe that license could keep people together
till the Lord woos them back to Himself?

I do agree there's nothing in scripture which says we need Big Brother's approval
except Romans 13. In this country, for better or worse (see what I did there? ;) )
to call oneself married in the gov't's eye is to do the license thing
(or the so-called common law marriage in only certain states).

Also---children.
If one is blessed with them.
Children can be quite cruel, often ostracizing (at least)
one who is different. :(

No need to do the crazy bride type wedding...elopement, or a simple
'pastor in your mom's back yard' type thing. :)

Believe me, no one would like to thumb her nose at the gov't
as much as I would.
Every time I put on my bike helmet I say, "Only for You, Jesus."........ lol
We own a business and every time I write the check that the state requires to support
the subway system in the city 90 miles away which we never use I say,
"Only for You, Jesus." :)

Just some thoughts...thanks for listening. :)
And I am so happy for the two of you. &#9829;
-ellie

 
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kenisyes

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I always say do it God's way, and then get the paperwork to match.
 
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intercessorginger

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I think the question actual question is
" Why do you not want a marriage license and a ceremony before God and family for your "marriage"?

You would want a birth certifcate for your child wouldn't you? One only has to look back on certain groups who were denied this dignity and right to marriage for an answer.

Marriage before God is a covenant between husband and wife and God.

It is not simply a "piece of paper" and it certainly is not "sex as consumation" nor is it "big brother" for goodness sake!

I would recommend a deep study into the spiritual implications and purpose of marriage with prayer.
 
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Tigress, just a few thoughts---

You are young, and most likely both of you are in fairly good health ( I hope! :) )
but the hard fact is if we want our spouses' health benefits, we have to do it up
all nice and proper, legally speaking.

Also---do couples who cohabit without the gov't license
find it easier to walk away from one another when times get tough?
Is the fact they don't have to go through legal divorce proceedings
making it just...simpler? (as in, simplified?)
We all are prone to leaving God's ways at times.
Maybe that license could keep people together
till the Lord woos them back to Himself?

I do agree there's nothing in scripture which says we need Big Brother's approval
except Romans 13. In this country, for better or worse (see what I did there? ;) )
to call oneself married in the gov't's eye is to do the license thing
(or the so-called common law marriage in only certain states).

Also---children.
If one is blessed with them.
Children can be quite cruel, often ostracizing (at least)
one who is different. :(

No need to do the crazy bride type wedding...elopement, or a simple
'pastor in your mom's back yard' type thing. :)

Believe me, no one would like to thumb her nose at the gov't
as much as I would.
Every time I put on my bike helmet I say, "Only for You, Jesus."........ lol
We own a business and every time I write the check that the state requires to support
the subway system in the city 90 miles away which we never use I say,
"Only for You, Jesus." :)

Just some thoughts...thanks for listening. :)
And I am so happy for the two of you. &#9829;
-ellie

I really liked this post :) I think when God says that he puts laws and human statutes in place that there is kind of a .. 'Human reason'. Like you say, to just give that little bit of reinforcement for things.

And to think on God's relationship with us as a bride, it's the kind where he lets us wander and we come back like prodigal sons. It's got no need for a marriage license, so to speak, cause he's such a good and forgiving husband.

It's funny that God's marriage with us is so different to human marriage. Like, we can treat the people we love the most really harshly sometimes and we are so easily led astray.

I suppose that God's attitude towards us as his brides is a lot better than our attitudes toward God as his also.

We always want to stray from each other and from God, but he never shuts the door and locks us in. He just keeps on sending gifts.

Anyway, I wander off in thought a lot lol but I liked this.