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I said a wrong deserves some type of discipline ... I never said every situation deserves a whipping ... Read your Bible folks ...
Proverbs 13:24 [SUP]24[/SUP]Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
Those are not my words ... They are the words of God ... I don't see it saying to ever ignore a wrong or to be afraid to offer some discipline ... At least, that's not what my Bible says ...
Proverbs 13:24 [SUP]24[/SUP]Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.
Those are not my words ... They are the words of God ... I don't see it saying to ever ignore a wrong or to be afraid to offer some discipline ... At least, that's not what my Bible says ...
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It's actually proven children and adults respond better and listen/obey better when things are clearly explained to them. When "because I said so" is the only answer a kid gets he never learns anything. He doesn't learn why it's wrong. He doesn't learn the potential risks. And this can even make it more enticing.
It's a similar idea as the old give a fish/teach to fish addage. Your tone sounds very religious and and demanding, which more closely resembles the attitude the Pharisees carried, and less of the attitude Jesus carried. And who was Jesus the mist harsh towards? The Pharisees.
When they brought the adultress to Jesus to be stoned did he say "she didn't listen so have at it! She should know better!"? Or did he have compassion on her. Sometimes strict discipline is what's needed, other times it can be counterproductive. Wisdom is knowing which is needed and when. Wisdom and biblical teaching is Not to drop the hammer down every single time "because I said so".
God Himself didn't just say "You're sinners and need to be saved" but He explained to us why. What sin was. What the consequences were. He even has it written down so we can study it better.
It's a similar idea as the old give a fish/teach to fish addage. Your tone sounds very religious and and demanding, which more closely resembles the attitude the Pharisees carried, and less of the attitude Jesus carried. And who was Jesus the mist harsh towards? The Pharisees.
When they brought the adultress to Jesus to be stoned did he say "she didn't listen so have at it! She should know better!"? Or did he have compassion on her. Sometimes strict discipline is what's needed, other times it can be counterproductive. Wisdom is knowing which is needed and when. Wisdom and biblical teaching is Not to drop the hammer down every single time "because I said so".
God Himself didn't just say "You're sinners and need to be saved" but He explained to us why. What sin was. What the consequences were. He even has it written down so we can study it better.
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I said earlier it was fine to explain to the boy why he was being punished ... I said it was fine to attempt an explanation to him ... I also contend that is not always necessary as the child may be too young to understand the explanation ... Something to consider here: When Moses gave the Ten Commandments unto the people, did he sit down and thoroughly explain "why" God said to follow them ? ... Or did he simply say those were God's commands ? ... When one has faith, they should not require any lengthy explanation ... Just doing as the Bible says should be good enough ...
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Just found an awesome app to go along with dr. safety,to where you can lock "any app" so like say if some child or person is smart enough to go to settings to turn off the child lock,this app locks even "settings" to where you "have to" type in a password just to attempt turning it off it's called...
Safe app lock,and it's so cool you not only can lock any app but you are allowed to even "hide the icon" of Safe app lock to where even you might forget where it's "hidden"(it has 4 widgets that access different features making it a guessing game which one can unlock the apps!)
and it provides some "false alarm" tricks,like a "fake crash message" saying "unfortunately settings stopped working" and won't allow a password to by pass unless you "hold" ok otherwise pressing ok makes it close,and it's "free" to boot though might need an update from google.(still worth it)
This is a load off my mind because I now locked all access to internet,used fake crash message for google, dr.safety and settings and put the icon in "hidden mode" on my phone to where pretty much "no child" can get through to the internet whatsoever or even by pass dr. safety's blocks without a password.
Safe app lock,and it's so cool you not only can lock any app but you are allowed to even "hide the icon" of Safe app lock to where even you might forget where it's "hidden"(it has 4 widgets that access different features making it a guessing game which one can unlock the apps!)
and it provides some "false alarm" tricks,like a "fake crash message" saying "unfortunately settings stopped working" and won't allow a password to by pass unless you "hold" ok otherwise pressing ok makes it close,and it's "free" to boot though might need an update from google.(still worth it)
This is a load off my mind because I now locked all access to internet,used fake crash message for google, dr.safety and settings and put the icon in "hidden mode" on my phone to where pretty much "no child" can get through to the internet whatsoever or even by pass dr. safety's blocks without a password.
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When we are obedient to God, God will help us to understand. I agree with that.
But obedience comes from hearing. And some of us are able to hear Him and His explanations because we have studied Him and have learned to hear His "voice", so to speak.
Can the same be said for this young child? I dont think so.
So then in this scenario, who does this boy have to be obedient to? His father.
So one would hope / expect that once the command is given, by the father, for the son to obey....then he too, will help the boy to understand. And understanding requires explanation.
But obedience comes from hearing. And some of us are able to hear Him and His explanations because we have studied Him and have learned to hear His "voice", so to speak.
Can the same be said for this young child? I dont think so.
So then in this scenario, who does this boy have to be obedient to? His father.
So one would hope / expect that once the command is given, by the father, for the son to obey....then he too, will help the boy to understand. And understanding requires explanation.
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That was all great kaijo until that last sentence ... The Bible does not say "explanation" before "understanding" ... It says "obedience" comes before "understanding" ... If we rely upon an explanation for our understanding then that is relying upon our own minds and God says to renew our minds in His commands and not to rely upon our own understanding ... It is obedience unto the LORD that brings forth that understanding ... It is not any other way and the Bible is clear about this ... The boy may not understand God just yet ... He is to obey his earthly father ... If his earthly father leads him to obey God, then the child will obtain the understanding ...
It also does not say "experience" before "understanding" either. Yet, in order to understand something...one either learns of the consequences through experience, or learns of the consequences by witnessing someone elses experiences. Either way, "experience" also comes before "understanding".
What is written in the bible is merely a summary of the order in which the events occur.
If He were to add every single possible step that comes before and after "obedience" and "understanding"...as well as before and after every other summarized event, that chapter would be probably be about as long as the entire bible itself.
"Critical Thinking" is also expected of us in order to "understand".
What is written in the bible is merely a summary of the order in which the events occur.
If He were to add every single possible step that comes before and after "obedience" and "understanding"...as well as before and after every other summarized event, that chapter would be probably be about as long as the entire bible itself.
"Critical Thinking" is also expected of us in order to "understand".
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What you are not understanding yourself is that "obedience" IS the critical part to understanding ... Experience only does any good if that experience is in obedience ... Experience at being disobedient to God never helped anyone ... The Bible is not merely a summary of anything ... It is a complete blueprint for life my friend ...
So you walk in the room and here he is watching porn. He immediately goes defensive knowing his @ss is grass. But instead playing the lawnmower, you walk over, sit down, and watch with him for a minute or so. Then you calmly start discussing it ... is this how you think women really look and want to be treated? Are these people really happy doing what they do, does that really look like an act of love and giving? How would you see it if you knew they were being forced into it? Maybe we should pray over them, instead of being inflamed in the flesh. And then pray...
The point is, he's growing up, he's getting hormones, this stuff is out there, you're never going to make it unavailable to him, and so instead of trying to forbid and hide it, you both come to see and understand it for what it is ... and condition a response to where it's presence induces not passion but prayer, for those involved and those so addicted. Then you can relax and know that you don't have to hide it, because he's learned to see it for what it is and respond appropriately.
The point is, he's growing up, he's getting hormones, this stuff is out there, you're never going to make it unavailable to him, and so instead of trying to forbid and hide it, you both come to see and understand it for what it is ... and condition a response to where it's presence induces not passion but prayer, for those involved and those so addicted. Then you can relax and know that you don't have to hide it, because he's learned to see it for what it is and respond appropriately.
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The Bible is complete and not a summary ... That is precisely why it states in Revelations that adding anything to it or subtracting anything from it is a sin ... If you feel you have some type of wisdom to add unto the Bible then you are wrong ... You would be much wiser to follow it as it has already been written ... God did not leave anything out that you can add in order to enhance the book ... To believe that you can explain something better than God is vanity at work ...
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It was not simply his experience that helped him ... It was him finally realizing that his disobedience was costing him is what truly helped him ... There is a major difference between the two ... If he would not have had the wisdom to realize he was wrong he could have experienced the same thing over and over again and learned nothing ... So, it took more than just the experience itself ... When he realized his disobedience was costing him rather than helping him that is what led to his understanding ... When he understood it was best to be obedient, then he understood what to do ...
Well i couldn't have put it any better myself.
Experience leads to Critical Thinking, which leads to Understanding.
Also, did you notice who it was, in the parable, that lacked Understanding? Sure enough, it was the older brother who did everything "right"...because he had no Experience in disobeying his Father.
Experience leads to Critical Thinking, which leads to Understanding.
Also, did you notice who it was, in the parable, that lacked Understanding? Sure enough, it was the older brother who did everything "right"...because he had no Experience in disobeying his Father.
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It depends on "what" understanding you are saying the older brother lacked ... He did not lack the understanding that obedience was the best policy ... What he lacked in understanding was the joy his father had shown when his younger brother had just learned the same thing ... The older brother already knew to be obedient ... He proved however that this will not make a person absolutely perfect ... As he lacked the understanding of how the father felt so much joy that his other son was learning to be obedient too ... The father felt as though he had located a lost sheep, as his younger son was now learning to be obedient as well ... It was that feeling of the father that the older brother failed to understand ...
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It is not necessarily "experience" that leads to understanding ... It can be but that is not always the case ... That is proven by those who continue making the same mistakes and learn nothing ... This is exactly why the Bible does not say this, because it is not always true ... What IS always true is that obedience will always lead to understanding ... It will not lead to the understanding of everything, but it will always lead to the understanding of what command one is obeying ...
Also "critical thinking" is not always the path to understanding either ... Some do not possess the mind for such critical thinking so that cannot carry those individuals to understanding ... Again, what will carry them to understanding is obedience because that is what God promises ... Even one without the ability of critical thinking can still enter into understanding by obeying God's commands ... After the obedience God promises to provide the understanding ...
So, experience and critical thinking will work for some individuals some of the time ... But the Bible has given much better advice than that as obedience will work for all individuals all of the time ... That is why your explanation is not better than the explanation within the Bible ...
Also "critical thinking" is not always the path to understanding either ... Some do not possess the mind for such critical thinking so that cannot carry those individuals to understanding ... Again, what will carry them to understanding is obedience because that is what God promises ... Even one without the ability of critical thinking can still enter into understanding by obeying God's commands ... After the obedience God promises to provide the understanding ...
So, experience and critical thinking will work for some individuals some of the time ... But the Bible has given much better advice than that as obedience will work for all individuals all of the time ... That is why your explanation is not better than the explanation within the Bible ...