Does God literally 'speak' to us in these days?

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presidente

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Hi,
I have to disagree with you, if you look at the history of Pentecostalism, its recent and not theological sound it’s filled with error and really, really bad theology. If you’re not willing to do the hard work and take a serious look at it then we have nothing to discuss and I am ok with that too.
I know more about Pentecostal history than the average Pentecostal. Judging by the way you spelled Parham's name, I'd venture to guess I could possibly know more about it than you do.

If you are Reformed, you will probably consider Pentecostal theology not to be 'theologically sound' since it has not historically been Reformed.
Cessationism is not theologically sound. It contradicts scripture. That's the real issue, what scripture teaches. You are getting sidetracked by focusing on Pentecostal history, since that is not the real issue. I suspect you have read a selective presentation of Pentecostal history. If you read about slanders or accusations against ministers, conflicts between people, or individual's sins, you may come away with that perspective. But if you read about individuals who poured out their lives for the Gospel, miracles and healings, and large numbers of people won for Christ, you may have another perspective.

The Bible says test the spirits so the first thing you need to figure out was it bad pizza the night before, false guilt or just a crazy hunch, or your emotions. I think you asked and answered your own question and audible voice is different from a nudging.
The Bible also teaches that God can communicate through dreams. It doesn't mention pizza, but it does warn that some prophesy from their own hearts. Do you accept what the scripture teaches on this issue?

Rejecting all dreams is not testing the spirits. That disbodience to the command, just as accepting all dreams as being from God would be.
God’s word tells us just the opposite that scripture is sufficient, the cannon is closed and we see that the gifts had stopped as Paul couldn’t heal Timothy’s stomach issues and there was another he couldn’t heal.
The Bible doesn't mention the doctrine of sufficiency, not the type you mention. II Timothy says that all scripture is is given that the man of God may be fully equipped. It does NOT say that scripture is all that is given that the man of God may be fully equipped.

Maybe some cessationists suffer from a form of theological dylexia that causes them to mix up words when they read the passage. :)
Scripture enables the man of God to be fully equipped. But it is clearly not all a man needs to be fully equipped. one also needs the things the Bible teaches about-- like having the Holy Spirit for example. If one has scripture, but not faith, he is not fully equipped.

If a man in a white suit could heal, then MR Hin is a monster for not going to the hospital and doing s
o he would also have no need for glasses.
What if if Jesus wore a white tunic under his robe? Do you think that would mean he couldn't heal?

Jesus healed one person at the pool who was waiting for the water to stir, instead of healing all of them. Would you call Him a monster?
The issue is whether the Bible teaches that God gives gifts to the church, not Benny Hinn.

You can go one step further and look at history and see no mention of it either until the 19th century.
Reference to what? Spiritual gifts? What authors are you reading that assert this. I find it unfortunate, if not disigenuous that some of the authors who write on the subject write that there is no evidence of spiritual gifts after the first century. That is dishonest. If the person did not bother to dig into history before he wrote, it's dishonest to make a blanket statement and to act like an expert who knows what he is talking about. If he did read church history on the matter, and lied about saying there were no references to I Corinthians 12 gifts, then that's dishonest.

There is a lot of evidence for healing, miracles, prophecy, and other spiritual gifts after the first century. There is also a fair amount of evidence for speaking in tongues, not an overwhelming amount when compared to prophecy.

It's strange to me to read authors who condemn modern spiritual gifts as Montanism or who quote Benjamin Warfield, and yet claim there were no spiritual gifts after the first century. If you actually read historical criticisms of Montanism, for example in Eusebius' History of Church, the second-century opponents of Montanism clearly endorse the contemporary use of prophecy in the church, and argue that what Montanus had was not the real thing. Eusebius even refers to a debate between a member of the church and a Montanist after Montanus had died. The member of the church argued that Montanus prophecy had died out, while the apostle argued that prophecy would continue until the Lord returned. Cessationism is the new doctrine, not the historical doctrine of the church.

Ireneaus wrote of brethren prophesying, having foreknowledge, speaking in tongues, casting out demons and raising the dead in his own day. B.B. Warfield tried to argue that Ireneaus may have assumed these things were still continuing because when he was young, some of the folks whom the apostles had laid hands on may have still been doing these things, and he may have heard of it. Those who refer to Warfield to support cessationism should at least look up the histories he refers to. Warfield came up with a lame reason (that contradicts Acts) to support a theory that gifts died out after those the apostles laid their hands on died out.
Then there is the reason why it started in the first place was to verify the ministry of the apostles and Christ after that there was no need for it.
This theory comes from cherry picking some scriptures and ignoring others. Not only did the apostles do miracles. Stephen and Philip weren't apostles. So miracles weren't solely to verify Christ and the apostles. Miracles affirmed the message. Non-apostles could work miracles, too, like Stephen and Philip, as they preached the same Gospel to unbelievers.

This theory also ignores I Corinthians 12, which shows the working of miracles among gifts given to individuals in the body as the Spirit wills in order to profit withal. Then Paul talks about members of the body ministering to one another. So spiritual gifts are also given to build up the body.
Some of the cessationists are dispensationalists and see the two witnesses, who prophesy and work miracles, as yet in the future. There is no justification for saying the gifts ceased but will be restarted again in the future.

Regarding healing Timothy's stomach, it's a weak argument. Belief in healing doesn't mean we don't take some practical precautions for our health. But if you study carefully, Paul likely had an eye illness that led him to the Galatians, probably before the Jerusalem council. Galatians is probably Paul's first epistle. If you go with a later date, he went to Galatia at least by Acts 16. His illness led him to first go to Galatia, so that's still early by comparison.

So Paul, already a miracle worker, had some kind of infirmity BEFORE all those great miracles in Ephesus and other cities. And late in Acts, Paul healed all the sick brought to him on Malta. There is no good reason to assume healing gradually faded away. Paul had an infirmity early on. Timothy had to be concerned with his health later in the century. If the prescense of illness proved cessationism, why would Paul have had an infirmity early on.


By the time Timothy was written the gifts had already ceased.
That contradicts Paul's instruction to Timothy to stir up the gift that was in him by the laying on of Paul's hands in II Timothy 1. Also, the gifts were necessary for John to receive the revelation written in the Book of Revelation. The spectacular nature of that book also argues against the idea that gifts gradually died out.
If all scripture is given that the man of God may be fully equipped, that doesn't mean that all the man of God needs to be fully equipped is scripture.
That strikes me as pretzel logic, and an argument from silence, fully equipped means fully equipped. If you need something other to complete a task you’re not fully equipped.
I think you are putting 'all' in the wrong place in the verse. It's a matter of logic. The passage does not say that scripture is all that is given that a man may be fully equipped.

And it's pretzel logic to say we don't need the things the Bible says we need because we have the Bible.
Keep in mind Timothy probably did not have most of the New Testament. Some parts were written in regions far away.
If the Bible minus the book of Revelation made Timothy fully equipped, why do you accept the book of Revelation as inspired?
Cessationist would not conclude:
"We don't need love because we have the Bible."
"We don't need faith because we have the Bible."
"We don't need to abstain from sexual immorality because we have the Bible."
"We don't need water baptism because we have the Bible."
You are saying we deny the Holy Spirit being in the believer at the time of salvation and saying all gifts when the miraculous gifts are the only ones being disputed.
No, I was addressing the logic cessationists use when they misread what II Timothy 3 is saying.

I'm saying that it is foolish to say that the Bible is all you need to be fully equipped, and therefore you don't need the Holy Spirit. The Bible shows us that we need the Holy Spirit.

Likewise, it is foolish to say that we don't need spiritual gifts because we have the Bible. The Bible teaches us that we need spiritual gifts.
Peter did not even have the complete New Testament canon. Neither did his readers.
How do you know? Epistles were circulated from church to church and other than what John wrote in the 90"s they would of had everything else.
According to your interpretation, how can you say Revelation is needed for the man of God to be fully equipped if it did not exist yet when II Timothy 3 was written?
then no one would be able to cast out demons. Why would God leave the demons roaming around with all kinds of power, but withdraw the power that the New Testament teaches that He has given to the church?
That’s correct we are not to mess with demons and no one can cast them out. I am not saying God doesn’t remove them because of prayer because he does.
It sounds like you are basing scripture on your own conjecture. Christ asked, "by whom do your children cast themout"? So apparently, some Jews who weren't His disciples were casting demons out. Why would Christians be powerless?

Where does the Bible say the church would go back to being powerless to cast out demons? And why would second or third century authors use their power to cast demons, which Greeks considered 'gods', out of people as an apologetic for the faith if Christians weren't going around doing that?

Have you ever read any history on spiritual gifts throughout history? The general belief of the church throughout history has not been cessationist. When it comes ot casting out demons, Gregory winning the king of Armenia over after casting out a demon in the early fourth century comes to mind. Many, many healings and resurrections were attributed to the ministry of St. Patrick, some of them written much later. But the actual bits of writing of his that historians acknowledge tell us that he was directed on occasions by vision and voices he considered to be of divine origin
Your fully vested I get it, but I would encourage you to study American church history, look at the character of men like Perrin and others.
I think you mean Parham. I know he was accused of something bad, but it seems equally likely that he was slandered by his opponents.
The issue is what the Bible teaches on spiritual gifts, not Parhams life. There were churches operating in spiritual gifts before Charles Parham's Bible school in the US and elsewhere. There was even a prophetic movement in the Reformed movement that continued at least until John Wesley's day. As far as Pentecostalism goes, it emerged in at least three movements independently of each other, in India, South America, and the US. Four if you count Wales.
 
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StoneThrower

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Ok, I really don’t think this is profitable and it’s a secondary issue I could post a blog explaining this and then all hell will break loose in the forum and it would divide Christians. Personally as long as you understand correctly the essentials for salvation, I don’t care what you believe. I get tired of all the bickering with those that are part of religious cults in here. It would be nice to see something edifying for a change, but I guess people don’t have dogs to kick when they get home so they take out their frustrations here.
I know more about Pentecostal history than the average Pentecostal. Judging by the way you spelled Parham's name, I'd venture to guess I could possibly know more about it than you do.
Great that’s helpful, it was the end of the day and the guy was a scumbag, and I personally didn’t care enough to look up the spelling of his name as it wasn’t worth my time!
If you are Reformed, you will probably consider Pentecostal theology not to be 'theologically sound' since it has not historically been Reformed.
I consider it to be based on ignorance, and an improper Hermeneutic and have no concerns about it not being reformed
But if you read about individuals who poured out their lives for the Gospel, miracles and healings, and large numbers of people won for Christ, you may have another perspective.
The problem is there aren’t any (healings) that can be substantiated. There is no documented proof of any one being raised from the dead. Why is it healers only work under tents that pass a plate than at Hospitals?
The Bible also teaches that God can communicate through dreams. It doesn't mention pizza, but it does warn that some prophesy from their own hearts. Do you accept what the scripture teaches on this issue?
No, NOT AS NORMATIVE it says that in times past God has used dreams, but it also says that it has all stopped and will resume in the end before Christ returns, those last days nothing about this economy the church age. Which is in Acts 2:17 and is quoting Joel 2:28
Rejecting all dreams is not testing the spirits. That disbodience to the command, just as accepting all dreams as being from God would be.
That would be foolish some believe that Lilith comes to men at night in their dreams for sex. I could dream I was a mushroom but I would accept that as being from God.
Scripture enables the man of God to be fully equipped. But it is clearly not all a man needs to be fully equipped.
You must not have read the verse correctly, fully means fully, as in not lacking anything!
What if Jesus wore a white tunic under his robe? Do you think that would mean he couldn't heal?
No but Jesus has credibility and a proven track record, Hin on the other hand is a shameful charlatan a wolf in sheep’s clothes, out to steel money from sick and desperate people. The marks of a false teacher and there downfall are money and sex, and we know about the money and then there was that affair with a married women Paula White recently who is another false teacher.

Jesus healed one person at the pool who was waiting for the water to stir, instead of healing all of them. Would you call Him a monster?
No but you bring up a great point, why didn’t he? And why did he heal at all? To prove who he was!

Reference to what? Spiritual gifts?
No the Pentecostal church! You want off on an assumption.
That contradicts Paul's instruction to Timothy to stir up the gift that was in him by the laying on of Paul's hands in II Timothy 1.
Let’s not confuse the issue of the miraculous gifts with the gift of being a teacher or a pastor they are two different categories. And God could still use them the buzz word is its not normative, its not normal but then we are talking about God and not Christians.
I'm saying that it is foolish to say that the Bible is all you need to be fully equipped, and therefore you don't need the Holy Spirit. The Bible shows us that we need the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a given, all believers have him once they become born again! And they don’t get a partial amount either when they are indwelt they have all there is to get and need.
It sounds like you are basing scripture on your own conjecture. Christ asked, "by whom do your children cast themout"? So apparently, some Jews who weren't His disciples were casting demons out. Why would Christians be powerless?
Did they really? Or was it like the RC church they tried to. I seem to remember the sons if Sceva getting their butts kicked. Then there was Michael one of Gods mightiest and most powerful angels that didn’t mess with Satan but left that for God to deal with.
 

presidente

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Ok, I really don’t think this is profitable and it’s a secondary issue I could post a blog explaining this and then all hell will break loose in the forum and it would divide Christians. Personally as long as you understand correctly the essentials for salvation, I don’t care what you believe. I get tired of all the bickering with those that are part of religious cults in here. It would be nice to see something edifying for a change, but I guess people don’t have dogs to kick when they get home so they take out their frustrations here.


Discussing doctrine, even doctrine we disagree on doesn't have to be done in a divisive manner. IMO, the topic you raised is better suited to the Bible study forum.

Great that’s helpful, it was the end of the day and the guy was a scumbag, and I personally didn’t care enough to look up the spelling of his name as it wasn’t worth my time!


He was accused of something bad, but charges were not brought against him. He may have been the victim of slander. If he was, then you could be guilty of slander. Do we get a free pass on slander if the person we are slandering happens to be dead? Some of the accusations against him don't seem to be accurate from what I've read. I think he rented space in a KKK hall once. The KKK used to be more of an organization for promoting conservative culture than an anti-black organization. They were more against RCC Irish immigrating here way back when. Harry Truman was a part of the KKK. But there from what I've read, it doesn't seem like Parham was. I think he rented a KKK hall to put on a crusade once. He had a sign with three 'K's he was preaching on. I think one was 'Konsecration." If he's guilty of something in that case, maybe it's cheesy marketing or cheesy sermon points, but if we are going to condemn that, are we going to call all the preachers with cheesy messages on church signs scumbags, too? Parham faced criticism for mixing with blacks, preaching at black churches, allowing blacks to minister to whites. The story that gets repeated that he made Seymour sit outside the Bible college class because he was black and there were Jim Crow laws has been contested, too. His niece's understanding of it was that Seymour was in the room with the other students. I see things repeated on websites that don't seem to be true with a little deeper digging.


I consider it to be based on ignorance, and an improper Hermeneutic and have no concerns about it not being reformed
Which aspects of Pentecostal theology are you thinking about?

The problem is there aren’t any (healings) that can be substantiated. There is no documented proof of any one being raised from the dead. Why is it healers only work under tents that pass a plate than at Hospitals?


How many hours have you put in trying to substantiate claims of healing? Have you bothered to read books of substantiated claims, to check out any websites? To interview any people? I suspect you make your comments based on a lack of research and an a priori assumption on your part. That's the problem with cessationist's books on the topic, too. The author pretends to be an expert and claims there is no evidence for this or that without actually doing any research. There is something dishonest about pretending to be an expert and making pronouncements without having done the research.

Have you bothered reading Keener's book on miracles which goes into multiple cases on it? He's a theologian, and actually you could read the bibliography of his book with the look inside feature on Amazon.

Also, what do you consider a documented case? Is video okay? What about doctor's records? Is two or three witnesses acceptable? None of the miracles in the Bible were verified by medical records or video, so if you require either of those as proof, then you would have to reject portions of the Biblical record as well. And if there are witnesses to a healing, miracle, or resurrection, you should be Biblical and consider them, too, right? I know I've seen medical records posted online for healing. I'm not a doctor, so I'm no expert in that. I've seen X-Rays and things like that posted. There is also a genre of video on YouTube where people will evangelize and lay hands on the sick on the street and film it. Have you bothered to check out a number of these videos before saying there is no documentation?

No, NOT AS NORMATIVE it says that in times past God has used dreams, but it also says that it has all stopped and will resume in the end before Christ returns,


Where does the Bible teach this is not normative for this age. We are currently in 'the last days.' This is an age characterized by prophesying, dreams, and visions according to Acts 2. I can find no scripture that these things stop and will resume in the end before Christ returns. That's a dispensational theory, a particular version of it, but not the teaching of scripture.

Paul, as he was setting up an epistle that would address gifts like tongues and prophecy, wrote to the Corinthians and all who believe,

"So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift, waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"
(I Corinthians 1:7)

those last days nothing about this economy the church age. Which is in Acts 2:17 and is quoting Joel 2:28
Again, this is a dispensational theory about scripture, not the teaching of scripture. (And not all dispensationalists believe this, since Pentecostals tend to be dispensationalists.)


That would be foolish some believe that Lilith comes to men at night in their dreams for sex. I could dream I was a mushroom but I would accept that as being from God.
It would be foolish to accept every dream without testing the spirits. It would be foolish to reject a dream without testing it as well.

Paul wrote to the Thessalonians: Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things. Hold fast to that which is good.

If you want a reason for a lack of the gift of prophecy, notice the warning on quenching not the Spirit. If these things do not operate in our churches, we should ask if our churches quench the Spirit, instead of just assuming that our experience in church is 'normative' for this age. There is no scripture that indicates that a lack of spiritual gifts should be normative.

We do not get a lot of instructions in scripture for what to do in church. What we are given instructs us to allow 'everyone of you' to have a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation, or interpretation 'unto edifying.' We are commanded to let the prophets speak two or three, and to let the other judge. If a revelation comes to one sitting by, the speaking prophet is to hold his peace for ye may all prophesy one by one. Paul corrects those who may disagree with his teaching by stating that he had written commandments of the Lord. If we have a church liturgy that disobeys the commandments of the Lord, might we not be quenching the Spirit? Why assume the 'economy' changed if we aren't following what scripture teaches, and if our church practices do not allow for the sorts of things the New Testament commands us to allow?

Cessationism leads to disobedience to Paul's writings to the Thessalonians. How can a cessationist hear a modern prophecy without despising it, at least certain types of prophecies delivered in the typical manner in which prophecy is delivered in scripture? It is also disobedience to accept every prophecy without proving it. The balanced view is clearly a discerning continuationist perspective. It allows for prophecy to exist and for one not to despise prophesyings. Yet one must be discerning and not accept every individual prophecy without proving or testing it.

You must not have read the verse correctly, fully means fully, as in not lacking anything!
There are two issues here. One is that the passage says that all scripture... is given that the man of God may be fully equipped. It does not say that all the man of God is given to be fully equipped in scripture. That is what you seem to be reading into the verse. Is the Holy Spirit the scripture? If you were jailed for your faith, the jailer could take away your Bible, but he could not take away the Holy Spirit. Paul says that the Holy Spirit is given unto us. Can the man of God be fully equipped without the Spirit?

The other issue is how the Scriptures equip us. Are we equipped by having the scriptures only? If you have a Bible but do not read or obey it, is that sufficient? We have to read and believe what is inside. When I read what the Bible says about spiritual gifts, I read that to one is given the word of wisdom, to another, the word of knowledge, but the same Spirit. I read that to one is giving the gift of prophecy. That's what the Bible teaches. One body part with one gift is not to say to another with another gift, "I have no need of thee."

We shouldn't try to do away with the spiritual gifts the scriptures teach us we need any more than we should try to do away with water baptism, which the Bible also teaches is necessary. Saying "We don't need spiritual gifts because we have the scriptures" is just as foolish as saying, "We don't need water baptism, because we have the scriptures." Why? Because the actual teaching of scripture is that we need both.

Having a copy of the Bible doesn't replace the need to believe and obey what the Bible teaches us. Nor does it replace our need for the operation of the Spirit that the Bible teaches is for the church.

No but Jesus has credibility and a proven track record, Hin on the other hand is a shameful charlatan a wolf in sheep’s clothes, out to steel money from sick and desperate people. The marks of a false teacher and there downfall are money and sex, and we know about the money and then there was that affair with a married women Paula White recently who is another false teacher.
I'm not a Benny Hinn fan or a Paula White fan. I have concerns about Benny Hinn's teachings. I don't know as much about Paula White, but I don't see how she fits the description at the beginning of I Timothy 3.

But Benny Hinn teaches that Jesus is the Son of God. Does that make it wrong to believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Benny Hinn wears a white coat. Does that make it wrong to wear a white coat? (of course at the right time of year in relation to Labor or whatever holiday that is. :))

No but you bring up a great point, why didn’t he? And why did he heal at all? To prove who he was!
It would be wrong to say there was only one reason Jesus healed when the Bible gives us many reasons. A man was born blind 'that the works of God might be manifest in him.' Jesus did a miracle and fed the five thousand after being moved with compassion. Before raising Lazarus, from what Jesus said, one function the miracle performed was so that the disciples might believe in him. Jesus prayed before He raised Lazarus, and from His prayer, we see that He did so that those present might know that God sent him. The Twelve apostles did miracles that demonstrated the truth of the message about Jesus. But so did men who weren't among the Twelve, Stephen and Philip, and later Paul and Barnabas. There are still unbelievers, and there is still a role for these types of miracles. But there are miracles that are given to the church 'to profit withal.' So some miracles are for the church, and some are for unbelievers. The church still exists. Unbelievers still exist. Jews still exist. Gentiles still exist.

Let’s not confuse the issue of the miraculous gifts with the gift of being a teacher or a pastor they are two different categories. And God could still use them the buzz word is its not normative, its not normal but then we are talking about God and not Christians.
The Bible calls these ministries and roles 'gifts.' Cessationists put the ones they aren't comfortable with in one bucket and try to do away with that bucket, but the Bible doesn't justify their putting gifts into buckets. If gifts ceased, then there are no more pastors, and believers operate in their own strength without God's grace helping them. Charismata is derived from charis. And gifts are given according to the grace given unto us.

The Holy Spirit is a given, all believers have him once they become born again! And they don’t get a partial amount either when they are indwelt they have all there is to get and need.
Paul said to be filled with the Spirit. Why would he say that if it were not possible to be not completely filled with the Spirit? Why are on certain occasions in Acts, are we told that Peter or Paul were filled with the Spirit before doing something supernatural?

Did they really? Or was it like the RC church they tried to. I seem to remember the sons if Sceva getting their butts kicked. Then there was Michael one of Gods mightiest and most powerful angels that didn’t mess with Satan but left that for God to deal with.
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Jesus said, 'by whom do your children cast them out', so I'll stick with the words of Jesus. God's name is powerful, and Jesus' name is powerful. There may be occasions where unbelievers have cast out demons in Jesus' name in addition to the sons of Sceva incident. We don't know whether the sons of Sceva met with some success before the occasion where the spirit was wise to them and had the man beat them up.
 
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dabodab

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Thanks for the schooling, gentlemen!

Heres a sermon about the Sons of Sceva Sermon Cloud < Peculiar People: The Seven Sons of Sceva

I also looked up some terms and words.

When married to my children's father many years ago, I dreamed one night that my husband was lying with prostitutes. This dream thoroughly caught me by surprise. But I believed it was from The Lord. After considerable prayer I confronted my husband about my suspicion (not saying I dreamed it) and he told me a long story about how, yes, he had been with a prostitute. But he hadn't completed any act. Later we discussed my suspicion again with a brother from our church, and my husband told us a completely different story, again about a prostitute. Same conclusion, he 'almost' sinned but not quite, same as first story.

My point is, the dream proved true.

Anyways, carry on your discussion and thanks for the education.
 
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Jda016

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Does God literally speak to us?


When I accepted Jesus as Lord at just 15 years old, it was told to me that God would 'speak' to my heart about stuff.


Later, when I began a relationship with God through His Word, prayer, and fellowship with other believers, God 'spoke' to me regularly (or, so I believed). About all kinds of stuff, both bizarre and practical.


Some things I 'heard' God say to me came to pass, but I also 'heard' Him say stuff that was incorrect. That is, what was thought to be 'heard' proved to be false. In retrospect, some things I 'heard' did not square with the Word and were merely emotion based.


Apostle Paul said he was given a thorn in his flesh to buffet his body and, when he asked it be removed, Paul said God told him 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect thru weakness' (paraphrased). Imagine ... Paul did not have the NT with which to line up what God said to him!


Recently, prayer has been answered for me - prayers which are sometimes questions - in dreams. As well, I believe God shows me things about myself while dreaming, characteristics I need to give up to Him, a 'checking' of sorts.


I'm seeking more of Him and wonder about communication with God I may be missing (understand this... I know 'God' is the Holy Spirit).

Not to discount His Word at all, which is His grandest communication vessel. I guess my longing for a deeper relationship with Him today takes me back to days past, when I believed a good relationship DID exist.


Do you ask or expect God to audibly speak to you? If so, does the communication have sound?

Thanks in advance for any testimonials.

~Deb
I have never heard God audibly speak to me, but I have had Him very clearly and precisely lead me in situations in my life. I have felt a very strong impression that I have come to know as Him and He gently leads me in my life. This leading is easily broken by our sin and rebellion and that is what I believe it means to "quench the Spirit."

I read about Elijah recently and this passage struck me as very powerful.

1 Kings 19:11 Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; 12 and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.

13 So it was, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. Suddenly a voice came to him, and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”

God often does not display Himself in a flashy way. He is subtle like that "gentle whisper" or "still small voice." Notice that it was only after the still small voice and not the earthquake, wind, and fire that Elijah covered his face in Holy reverence. He knew which event The Lord was truly in.

So we must discern the same today.
 
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God is the head. Yes he talks to his sheep. When you seek god with all your heart soul and mind he will talk to you. He baptizes with the holy spirit and fire to refine your spirit. Man knowledge keeps you from gods truth. To many preachers teach by mans knowledge unstead of waiting for gods message. When you clear your mind, put away the doubt and put all your focus on god he will speak to you. Once you learn how to hear from god then he will teach you decernment of the spirits. Remember gods word links to love kindness truth peace... were the bad spirits lie hurt no peace... the devil wants us to believe that we are not like those in the bible to keep us from knowing god. Reject the devils lies and seek god he wants to talk to all his sheep. God is the same he never changes.