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i would say that media is credible if we work at it. to get the news i start with yahoo news ...... that doesnt give much real news but it does tell me what americans think is important. this is usually something about one of the hollywood crowd and either a recent arrest or their lack of undergarments. from there i go to cnn for the "official" view then i look quickly at fox. i thengo to the bbc and al jezeera. every media outlet has its own agenda its up to us to try to figure out whats really happening.
The same is happening here, in Venezuela, althought "The State" is the new CREED politicians want people to belive, In fact, Radio Caracas TV and Globovision where censored to the point that RCTV lost the access she has to TV broadcasting amd Globovision was bought by a "third" party person, but we know it belongs to "somebody" in the red oligarchy who is making a big deal of money and, as to keep the control and those worshippers they have, their are reducing the IMPORTED paper sent to "free" press we have (the oposition) and -for free- the goverment gives TONS of news papers at the entrance of the subway and more massive transportation system, where more than the people I could count are reading and BELIEVEING whatever they want to be believed.

Here are some numbers.

Metrocable moves, a day: 15.000 passengers daily (1.500 per hour).
Metrobus has moved more than 566 millones de usuarios.
And the subway, itself: More than 1.8000.000 daily (.:C.A. Metro de Caracas:.)

That´s why they do "care" what CARACAS is, oplitically and strategically.

If I could give, each of them, a pill to make believe I am "as good as GOD", they would take it for free.

They said the "fight" for our right in Venezuela, they fight against the IMPERIALISMO GRINGO and I don´t dare to mention what they say against the US but, their AIM is to keep that power and to get more money (no wonder they go to spend it wherever they want to). :rolleyes:
 
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Oh! I forgot to tell that, in the near future, people will be labell as per "Banned", an "impostor" or "profile faker". This is and will be the censorchip of the near virtual future. Jesus told us to "believe by its fruits"... Todays, media censorship not only comes from indivuduals, like us, but from SUBORDINATED groups, divisive individuals, intruders, liars, etc. just to destroy people CONFIDENCY, selfsteem and trust.

I think there is no other way than an indivudual withdrawl or a massive withdrawl (once you do that, you are the most alone, then). As a Christian, today, I know I need to trust more in GOD than in my personal insight just as per to an example:

I´m writing you these words on here, with no problem, with no censorship. The moment you see what I have written, the profile i will show there is something like "BANNED", he is a nut (don´t take him to seriously) and, as long as this goes on, I have seen there are several ID fakers and, as for a reference, I don´t know how many people are coming to those sites -each day- to make a faked profile and, at the long run, we have to realize we have been all the way ALONE. This is quite satanic (and paranoic, too).

Why can I interact with the people instead?

Am I sharing the gospel of Jesus or the bad news of any demon?

Some WISER man, here, wrote his opinion on how life is canging and how chinese people are becoming more superficial, less deep in their relatioships, by comparing them with the people in USA (I guess this is all over the world: Few people trust others and, as quick as the wind, trust is removed, torn or broken).

Why are we using massive medias?

Why do we need to upload pictures? (same reason we could download them). We are just communicating to one another. What would happen when you see my new TAG, my label: Banned or "ignore this guy" (or gay). Media has control on our lives and we are not the "clients", the "buyers": We are the PRODUCTs they would sell, at convenience.

Each time you go to a site and they set their rule on censorship, you have lost some freedom (not your free will) but you want to communicate, you need to be part of something, this fellowship, perhaps?

When they say you are not free to share links, pictures, etc. you have accepted their conditions to receive "that" service and, on the contrary, that censorship IS QUITE NEEDED: I have no right to hurt, to criticize, to undermine.

These guys on internet have searched our fears, our likes, or needs, or thought and whatever thing we have shared: This is a worldwide BIG lab experiment. We gave them some rights, too much, just to use "freely" their servers but they get the info of anything we buy, anything we saved in the bank or something we stored in the PC. We´re all being scrutinized! When will it end? That´s your decision.

Outside, It takes years to know the real person. Here, in few lines, you can guess the person you are writing or reading. You might figure out what their needs are, those things you could share or those things you actually love. Where your right or mine could be enforced? just when each individual use his / her freewill. No law can stop it, unless you stop it.
 
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Just imagine the moment when you cannot post a "like" on these threads. Imagine you only could read whatever thing people might write home, but you are not allowed to post, not even a "like"... That time is coming.
 
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John 15:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Perfectly fixed. Thanks GOD and Jesus.
 
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Oh! I forgot to tell that, in the near future, people will be labell as per "Banned", an "impostor" or "profile faker". This is and will be the censorchip of the near virtual future. Jesus told us to "believe by its fruits"... Todays, media censorship not only comes from indivuduals, like us, but from SUBORDINATED groups, divisive individuals, intruders, liars, etc. just to destroy people CONFIDENCY, selfsteem and trust.

I think there is no other way than an indivudual withdrawl or a massive withdrawl (once you do that, you are the most alone, then). As a Christian, today, I know I need to trust more in GOD than in my personal insight just as per to an example:

I´m writing you these words on here, with no problem, with no censorship. The moment you see what I have written, the profile i will show there is something like "BANNED", he is a nut (don´t take him to seriously) and, as long as this goes on, I have seen there are several ID fakers and, as for a reference, I don´t know how many people are coming to those sites -each day- to make a faked profile and, at the long run, we have to realize we have been all the way ALONE. This is quite satanic (and paranoic, too).

Why can I interact with the people instead?

Am I sharing the gospel of Jesus or the bad news of any demon?

Some WISER man, here, wrote his opinion on how life is canging and how chinese people are becoming more superficial, less deep in their relatioships, by comparing them with the people in USA (I guess this is all over the world: Few people trust others and, as quick as the wind, trust is removed, torn or broken).

Why are we using massive medias?

Why do we need to upload pictures? (same reason we could download them). We are just communicating to one another. What would happen when you see my new TAG, my label: Banned or "ignore this guy" (or gay). Media has control on our lives and we are not the "clients", the "buyers": We are the PRODUCTs they would sell, at convenience.

Each time you go to a site and they set their rule on censorship, you have lost some freedom (not your free will) but you want to communicate, you need to be part of something, this fellowship, perhaps?

When they say you are not free to share links, pictures, etc. you have accepted their conditions to receive "that" service and, on the contrary, that censorship IS QUITE NEEDED: I have no right to hurt, to criticize, to undermine.

These guys on internet have searched our fears, our likes, or needs, or thought and whatever thing we have shared: This is a worldwide BIG lab experiment. We gave them some rights, too much, just to use "freely" their servers but they get the info of anything we buy, anything we saved in the bank or something we stored in the PC. We´re all being scrutinized! When will it end? That´s your decision.

Outside, It takes years to know the real person. Here, in few lines, you can guess the person you are writing or reading. You might figure out what their needs are, those things you could share or those things you actually love. Where your right or mine could be enforced? just when each individual use his / her freewill. No law can stop it, unless you stop it.
Great Post !! I was recently banned from CNN media board in the past just for being a Christian, and among other social & media boards. These boards seem to tolerate the left & right wing nuts ... but not Christians. So I have experienced censorship (banned) on many social & media boards. It will get a whole lot worse before it gets better here in America when it comes to rights of Christians. I feel right at home at CC.
 
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Great Post !! I was recently banned from CNN media board in the past just for being a Christian, and among other social & media boards. These boards seem to tolerate the left & right wing nuts ... but not Christians. So I have experienced censorship (banned) on many social & media boards. It will get a whole lot worse before it gets better here in America when it comes to rights of Christians. I feel right at home at CC.
biscuit, the reason for this is that the mainstream media is owned and controlledby a certain non-Christian/anti-Christian entity (no, it is not Muslims). These are the same anti-Christ people who have disproportionate ownership and/or influence in entertainment, banking (they are the Federal Reserve), the porno industry, law, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and on, and on. They, as their blasphemous religious writings reveal, hate us, and they work night and day to keep us out of public forums. Have you not wondered as to why there are virtually no Bible believing Christians holding significant positions of authority in Washington DC?
 
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There have been over 1,200 cases of legal attacks to religious liberty, about 600 in the last year. They are against Christians by far; Jewish congregations are a distant second. There might be a couple of other faiths mixed in there, too.

Freedom From Religion Foundation sends out over 1,000 demand letters a year to tell people to stop exercising their religious rights and vows to double that this year. Almost everyone complies, not realizing that FFRF only has the funding to fight about 10 cases in court per year.

Veterans memorials are told to tear down their crosses. The cross in the Mojave desert was boarded up by court order. The cross at Mt. Soledad was ordered to be torn down, but has been stayed until appeal. A cross built by Vietnam vets was bombed.

Street preachers have been arrested. Valedictorians microphones are shut off (illegally) when they talk about God. Prayers are censored. Army sensitivity training called Christians and second amendment-supporters terrorists. Little old ladies who volunteer at veterans funerals were told that they can't say, "God bless you" to the family members. The IRS targeted Christian and conservative institutions for audits and withheld their tax refunds.

I could continue for quite some time.
Yes, and the success of these legal attacks lies in the fact that a certain 1.5 percent religious minority (no, it's not Muslims) is very disproportionately represented in America's legal system. When is the last time a Bible believing Christian was even nominated, much less appointed, as a federal or Supreme court judge? You can't name one, and most Christians are not even aware that this is happening. Jesus said "...he who is not for me is against me." Why then do most Christians not recognize those who are currently---"against me?" Why, when Jesus said "...ye are of your father the devil...ye are not of God" (John 8:44, 47) do we allow these openly anti-Christ people to have such disproportionate influence in our legal system. Is our vision so obscured by a smokescreen called "the Anti-Christ" that we do not recognize the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) working in America?
 
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biscuit, the reason for this is that the mainstream media is owned and controlledby a certain non-Christian/anti-Christian entity (no, it is not Muslims). These are the same anti-Christ people who have disproportionate ownership and/or influence in entertainment, banking (they are the Federal Reserve), the porno industry, law, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and on, and on. They, as their blasphemous religious writings reveal, hate us, and they work night and day to keep us out of public forums. Have you not wondered as to why there are virtually no Bible believing Christians holding significant positions of authority in Washington DC?
Excellent Post!
 
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Lol now this is entertainment
 
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So much fear seems to characterise this thread, it's quite depressing to see to many Christians dominated by such an spirit of fear, and often even hate in their lives.

A first point here that needs to be made, and very strongly, is that us Christians in Western orientated nations (baring a very few individual exceptions) don't know anything about real persecution, and the fact that some seem to equate some legal cases brought against some businesses etc with what our brothers and sisters outside the West experiences belittles and insults the real suffering they endure daily of His sake, and sadly shows how entitled those of us here in our comfortable lives have actually grown. In fact the reason for various political pressure etc is far more due to how much of evangelical Christianity is tied into various other aspects of contemporary culture and certain political affiliations and influences and has little to do with them being targeted because they are Christians, and less yet because of Jesus.

In fact it has been the experience of Christians throughout most of the past nearly 2000 years that they have know suffering and persecution, and that the Kingdom has come and the Church has grown in such ways, just as He promised, as they persecuted Him so shall they persecute those who follow Him, and the fact that is isn't the case in the West is troubling, nor is it any accident that the Church is growing rapidly in the very places were believers are being persecuted, just as has always been the case. The Church in the West increasingly made it's compromising agreement with Enlightenment Epircureanism through the 18th and 19th centuries, working with it's world-view and grew comfortable and secure in the results of that agreement, now that agreement isn't turning out so well, and for so many they are reacting like entitled toddlers throwing their toys out the pram, and demanding their 'rights' back.

For those, how did you think the Kingdom of God comes? Did you think it comes with legions of angels, great and glorious leaders taking over and forcing everyone to respect us Christians again? Did you think it comes with seeing Christians (well the 'right' ones, anyhow) put back on top, making sure the old securities are in place, and a new nation lead by the Christian 'good guys' (whomever they are), lording it over the public bringing new laws to ensure the nation is 'righteous' again, and setting the armies out to destroy the enemies of Christ? What did you expect to see? If you want such things the nations of the world have them in abundance, it is and has always been their way, the Kingdom of God comes through self-sacrificial love and service, those willing to take the scorn of others and seek to restore the lost and hurting, to return love for hate, forgiveness to those who attack us, to overcome evil with love. Those willing to take up their cross, deny themselves and follow Him to where it goes, and take His gospel and His love to wherever it is needed, whatever the cost, to love and pray for our enemies, even to torture, imprisonment, and death (and there is none of this in the West, but then I see precious little praying and loving for our enemies either).

Matthew 20:24-28:

When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. Jesus called them together and said, 'You know the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave -just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.'

This is not just atonement theology, this is the heart of Kingdom theology, of what it is to live as part of His Kingdom, of serving King Jesus, the Lord of Heaven and Earth (this earth). We are called to be as He was, indeed to be and bring Him to the world, we are called to self-sacrificial service and love, we already have all things through Him, grasping and demanding power, titles and rights for ourselves is not our way, indignant because we see ourselves losing our entitled positions the kingdoms of the world gave us, in fact we are to count it all joy when we face many trials (James 1:2), and I don't see to much of that either. We exercise His authority, and we do not in triumphalism, but in service and love, and it will be done, as He promised, and as it has always been, through suffering and sacrifice, following the way of the cross, We share His sufferings in order that His glory (Romans 8:17), this is nothing unusual, this is the very thing we are called into, this, suffering and self-sacrificial love and service is how the Kingdom comes and is manifest, by tears and mourning seeking to serve and heal the hurting and bring restorative justice and oppose the proud tyrants by that sacrifice, overcoming evil with love, painful love, and it's how it always has been. What is instead unusual, has been the marked lack of such persecution for the West, and what that might mean, particularly when I also look at how so many even in this thread react in fear and anger to their loss of some privileged protections and power they had, and there is not even the hint of true persecution, and little of it to do for suffering of His sake and to bring in His Kingdom, that has me far more worried for the Church in the West then anything to with supposed loss of rights. The fact is the West is increasingly no longer where God is moving strongly, our African and Asian brothers and sisters have overtaken us, and rightful so, just like Turkey and Northern Africa were once heartlands of Christianity and now there are very few Christians to be found there, so the same can happen here.

And perhaps what you fear and rail against is something that will happen to the Church, but it is something of God, He may be both allowing this, and may allow it to become more intense, perhaps to finally shake the church out of this compromise it has suffered under, and to finally remember whom it serves, not any government of one particularly shade of the political cause, conservative/liberal, left/right such were inventions of the Enlightenment, and tying you Christianity to one spectrum or another wholesale no longer serves King Jesus or His Kingdom, to serves the world-view of post-Enlightenment Epirureanism, and puts all you do under it's idol. Maybe finally the Church will remember who it is, and remember it's call to take up the cross and follow Him, remember it is called to a life of service and love to others, of sacrifice and suffering for Him, for the Kingdom and for others, of praying for and loving our enemies, of overcoming evil with love, of identifying with the outcast and the outsider, instead of casting them out, indeed being will to be scorned for going to them. And of responding to scorn with blessing, hate with love, blows by turning the other cheek and daring them to continue to exhaust their evil upon us if they dare, of going into the dark and broken places, to broken and hurting people and bring healing and restoration, forgiveness to end the cycle of hate and damage.

Perhaps we should thank God for this, and allow it to shake the church up, because otherwise I think the West may indeed in a different way still follow North Africa and become a place where the Church is hardly seen again. Perhaps God is again answering the pray 'may your Kingdom come on Earth as it is in Heaven', and while selfishly that does scare me (I'd be lying to say I like not being dragged out of my house in the night, beaten and imprisoned), when that happens the Church will grow rapidly again. Perhaps it might be enough for us (and I pray for our sake it is) to be taken away from this sense of entitled power that has in reality trapped and ensnared us with it's drug, paralysing the Church from being it's free, vital and vibrant self.

And with this I take my leave, may God truly bless you all and bring a revelation of His freedom, love, a spirit of wisdom, and of the fact that He and He alone has all power in heaven and earth (so you don't need to go out there getting it for Him).

And finally to end with a note of hope, indeed the certain hope, to all those worrying on and on about these things, Jesus Christ is raised from the dead, why do you let these fears touch you?
 
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No fear here. That's a false characterization. Bringing about positive change is desirable and it's wrong to falsely characterize that as fear.