Gay wedding

[RickyZ]

I don't think sexuality is a learned trait, not at it's base. satan has had many generations to sew infirmity into our very dna. Now, make no mistake satan has then worked that infirmity into our social mores by the ever increasing acceptance of it. And that has led to an ever increasing proliferation of it. But then again, we were told thousands of years ago it would get to be like this, so it really shouldn't be taking any of us by surprise.

 

[1christian1]

Quite the contrary, my dear.

I don’t have to put up with you calling my interpretation of anything silly. Why don’t you get your act together before you’re addressing me again?

Susanna, Please don't bother with these people. Some people are just clueless and ignorant. No one in this life has the right to judge but GOD... You have a good heart. Don't ever lose it my sister in Christ...

 

[Ahwatukee]

But again, how far do you take this? Living gay is not the only lifestyle that leads to death. If you have a guy friend who beds a different woman each month, do you shun him? How about every 6 months ... or once a year. Or the drinker. How many is too many, where does the line exist? It doesn't ... you just can't pin these things down like that. Heck I do things I know are wrong - do I have to shun myself?

But the Bible does draw a clear line, and more and more I think it hinges on this - welcome the sinner, shun a saint who won't correct.

You are correct Ricky. But it is the only sin that people are trying to justify so that they can continue in it. We don't see people marching in parades to honor thieves, or rapists, coveters, adulterers, liars, etc.

God also did not destroy several cities with fire and sulfur because people were lying, coveting, murdering, stealing, etc. But he did destroy Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities because of the practice of same-sex. Jude has this to say about it:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

"But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

The practices of the Nicolatitan's was willfully eating foods sacrificed to idols and committing sexual immorality, which Jesus said, "I also hate."

Only one of two things can happen if you go to his wedding: Either you will congratulate him and wish him well, which would be supporting and condoning their marriage, or you will be the downer of the party, showing distaste to their marriage, which is no marriage at all and that because God does not recognize it.

The decision is yours of course, but I don't know how you could, in all good conscious, congratulate them and wish them well.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Depends on how you tell it

Well, if you tell them that they have the freedom to live that same-sex life style if they desire to, but that the consequences are the same, which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. And that the offer of salvation is there for them if they will believe and repent, then I have made a righteous judgment, approved of the Lord. I will have not sentenced them, but warned them.

 

[1christian1]

You are correct Ricky. But it is the only sin that people are trying to justify so that they can continue in it. We don't see people marching in parades to honor thieves, or rapists, coveters, adulterers, liars, etc.

God also did not destroy several cities with fire and sulfur because people were lying, coveting, murdering, stealing, etc. But he did destroy Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities because of the practice of same-sex. Jude has this to say about it:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

"But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

The practices of the Nicolatitan's was willfully eating foods sacrificed to idols and committing sexual immorality, which Jesus said, "I also hate."

Only one of two things can happen if you go to his wedding: Either you will congratulate him and wish him well, which would be supporting and condoning their marriage, or you will be the downer of the party, showing distaste to their marriage, which is no marriage at all and that because God does not recognize it.

The decision is yours of course, but I don't know how you could, in all good conscious, congratulate them and wish them well.

I did'nt once hear him say that he was congratulating his cousin for being gay. He only asked if he should be with his nephew... Did you have premarital sex in high school? Do you think that you are going to burn in hell for this ???

 

[Ahwatukee]

I did'nt once hear him say that he was congratulating his cousin for being gay. He only asked if he should be with his nephew...

Yes, but that is what people at weddings do. They are there to celebrate and congratulate them on their marriage.

Did you have premarital sex in high school? Do you think that you are going to burn in hell for this ???

Yes, I did. And it was a problem for many years. During all that time I was wrestling with it to overcome it, which God finally rescued me from. However, that is not the case here. These people are committing themselves to a same-sex life style. Their intention is not to repent, but to justify their sin, which leads to death.

As I said in a previous post, their can only be one of two outcomes, to congratulate them on their marriage (which is no marriage at all) or to show opposition to what they are doing. If Rickyz doesn't do the later, then he will be doing the former. Just being there at the wedding would be supportive and condoning.

 

[PennEd]

QUOTE FROM SUSANA-- I’m not intending to judge my childhood friend no matter what a random guy on the internet is saying. End of story![/QUOTE]

If I see 2 guys hugging and call them homosexuals, I have just judge them. They could be friends or brothers.

If however, they TELL me they are unrepentant homosexuals, I have NOT judged them, THEY have judged themselves.

Can you see the difference there?

And this incredibly shallow question "what if your child was homosexual?"
As if I don't accept every behavior they engage in means that I somehow won't love them?
Truly ignorant!

This is an evil idea that if you don't accept the behavior of an individual you don't love them. As a parent I know the exact opposite is true.

If you DONT love your child then you accept every behavior they engage in.

 

[Susanna]

If I see 2 guys hugging and call them homosexuals, I have just judge them. They could be friends or brothers.

If however, they TELL me they are unrepentant homosexuals, I have NOT judged them, THEY have judged themselves.

Can you see the difference there?

And this incredibly shallow question "what if your child was homosexual?"
As if I don't accept every behavior they engage in means that I somehow won't love them?
Truly ignorant!

This is an evil idea that if you don't accept the behavior of an individual you don't love them. As a parent I know the exact opposite is true.

If you DONT love your child then you accept every behavior they engage in.

I don’t believe being gay is a “behavior”. I think it’s a burden laid upon them. I have seen this burden taking a toll on my friend for decades now. Did she choose to be a lesbian? How many times have we been praying for her ordeal to end? A thousand times? To her it is disastrous being gay. Then people, sticking their noses everywhere those long noses don’t belong, come telling her that she has chosen to be a lesbian herself...and that it is a behavioral issue, pretty much like she’s some kid acting out of line. She can’t help it, but some people are doing their best to make her feel even worse.

You just call me ignorant and tell me that I’m asking “incredibly shallow” questions, but I have no intention of adding to my friend’s burdens no matter what you’re throwing at me.

 

[ToastAndTea]

I may be alone in this viewpoint, but I think homosexuality is actually God's judgement on wicked men who as Romans put it "suppress the truth by their own unrighteousness". It happens when people turn so far away from God (as a society) that He turns them over to their own evil lusts and desires. If I am wrong in this, please feel free to correct me, but this is just a supposition I have.

 

[PennEd]

I don’t believe being gay is a “behavior”. I think it’s a burden laid upon them. I have seen this burden taking a toll on my friend for decades now. Did she choose to be a lesbian? How many times have we been praying for her ordeal to end? A thousand times? To her it is disastrous being gay. Then people, sticking their noses everywhere those long noses don’t belong, come telling her that she has chosen to be a lesbian herself...and that it is a behavioral issue, pretty much like she’s some kid acting out of line. She can’t help it, but some people are doing their best to make her feel even worse.

You just call me ignorant and tell me that I’m asking “incredibly shallow” questions, but I have no intention of adding to my friend’s burdens no matter what you’re throwing at me.

NEWSFLASH!!! We are ALL "born with it". A SIN nature that is. I'm pretty sure I was "born with" the desire to have sex with all women. Most men are wired that way. Should the fact that I was born with that desire mean that I should go out and fulfill that desire?

I don't think anyone is saying having that desire or temptation is sinful. She feels bad because she KNOWS fulfilling that desire IS sinful.

And this is the exact, unmuddied point of this thread. Ignoring the unquestionable FACT that engaging in homosexual behavior IS a detestable sin, and actually supporting and even encouraging that sin, ultimately displays a hatred for that person and putting Jesus, who died to pay the price for that sin, to open shame.

BTW. It doesn't matter if every person on Earth woke up today and said "Gee. Homosexuality is a wonderful thing" IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I get your point, but he won't see it that way.

Would you go to the wedding of a Buddhist? Muslim? Catholic?

Ricky, pray about it. If it was my nephew I would go. If it was my nephew he would already know where I stand on his decisions and I’m sure I would have tried to love his ways out of him but if that’s something he wants to do I would go. Going does not mean I agree with him, it means that I love him regardless. Pray about it though because even though I am saying I would go I would definitely pray first.

Besides, giving personal advice is the no.1 thing people do here at CC!

JK!

I haven't noticed!
Is any of it any good???

We're all in different situation....,number one.
We don't know what we'll do till we get there.....number two.

However, I guess we could state an opinion and what we THINK we would do.
For me, it would be a big problem....I know this for sure.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I may be alone in this viewpoint, but I think homosexuality is actually God's judgement on wicked men who as Romans put it "suppress the truth by their own unrighteousness". It happens when people turn so far away from God (as a society) that He turns them over to their own evil lusts and desires. If I am wrong in this, please feel free to correct me, but this is just a supposition I have.

If you were right...it would mean that men are really OK with homosexuality but they're just suppressing it.

I think God made Adam and Eve to complement each other. I think homosxlty is a sign of sin....it's an evil thing just like everything ungodly is evil.

I don't mean that gays are evil.....no letters please.

I mean that whenever something God does goes wrong...it's ole' split hooves that gets into the act and ruins everything. I mean, think of it, everything is tainted with the sin nature...man and nature.
Romans 8:19-22

So,,,I'm not too sure I agree....
Of course a big question is
are persons born gay
or do they become gay (both men and women).

Seems like we can't get a straight answer.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Carry this further ... holidays, family birthdays and such - do you leave if they attend?

No.
Family should stay together.
But going to the wedding, as I understand it, is a whole different question.
It's like giving it your stamp of approval.

The wedding is what shouldn't be happening in the first place...

 

[GodsGrace101]

Not the war, just this battle. The war has already been won. We just need to get there

Even if I go I don't think I could sit thru the ceremony. I do expect them to hold hands and have a first kiss as mr and mr... honestly I think I'd lose my lunch if I were in the room.

I don't know RZ,,,,
If you mean that we'll win in the REAL end...then I agree with you.

But the war here is already lost. I think it's time for Jesus to come back....the time has come when man thinks HE is God; we're in a sad state all over the world.

I know what you're talking about:
U2:
"to claim the victory
Jesus won"

I just don't think we could claim it with the societal situation we're in.
Our own govt's are against Christianity....
I can't tell you what' going on here....
Atheism prevails.
Masonry prevails.
I think the Illuminati have stolen all the ground.

And I'd like to make very clear that I'm not a conspiracy type person....
Everything seems to be out in the open.

If you doubt it, I have some videos for you to see.

 

[kaylagrl]

Susanna, Please don't bother with these people. Some people are just clueless and ignorant. No one in this life has the right to judge but GOD... You have a good heart. Don't ever lose it my sister in Christ...

Woah!!! Slow your roll. Sister MM is not clueless or ignorant. She is a wonderful person and very thoughtful with her responses. She has always shared the truth of God's Word. She also has a good heart and you just judged her while saying only God can judge. I think you owe our sister an apology.

As far as the only one but God having a right to judge,God already judged homosexuality as sin and an abomination. Speaking up about that doesn't mean someone is "judging" they are showing the truth of the Word. We are to be salt and light.

 

[kaylagrl]

I did'nt once hear him say that he was congratulating his cousin for being gay. He only asked if he should be with his nephew... Did you have premarital sex in high school? Do you think that you are going to burn in hell for this ???

If you live a life of continued pre-marital sex then yes,you are separating yourself from God,you will find yourself in hell if you don't repent. The same situation for homosexuality. You made no point here. Both are sin,both separate you from God unless you ask His forgiveness.

 

[kaylagrl]

I don’t believe being gay is a “behavior”. I think it’s a burden laid upon them. I have seen this burden taking a toll on my friend for decades now. Did she choose to be a lesbian? How many times have we been praying for her ordeal to end? A thousand times? To her it is disastrous being gay. Then people, sticking their noses everywhere those long noses don’t belong, come telling her that she has chosen to be a lesbian herself...and that it is a behavioral issue, pretty much like she’s some kid acting out of line. She can’t help it, but some people are doing their best to make her feel even worse.

You just call me ignorant and tell me that I’m asking “incredibly shallow” questions, but I have no intention of adding to my friend’s burdens no matter what you’re throwing at me.

A burden laid upon them? Can you provide Scripture to back that up? The answer is yes,sin is a choice. Sin is always a choice. And there is only one cure,Jesus. She can help it. That doesn't mean it will happen overnight,that doesn't mean she won't continue to struggle the rest of her life perhaps. But she can give it up. Otherwise God is a liar.

I haven't called you ignorant but you are adding to her burden if you aren't telling her the truth of Gods Word. She can be delivered and you have the answer. I haven't checked,I'm assuming you are a Christian. If so you need to lead your friend to Christ. If you truly care about her you will. Otherwise you are staying mute while she falls deeper into bondage and sin and death. You are responsible. You know the truth.

 

[kaylagrl]

I may be alone in this viewpoint, but I think homosexuality is actually God's judgement on wicked men who as Romans put it "suppress the truth by their own unrighteousness". It happens when people turn so far away from God (as a society) that He turns them over to their own evil lusts and desires. If I am wrong in this, please feel free to correct me, but this is just a supposition I have.

You're not alone on that viewpoint and you aren't wrong.

 

[kaylagrl]

God loves him and respects him, so should you. Anyone that does not cannot call themselves a Christian...

Yes, God loves him,no, he doesn't respect him. And you're making a blanket statement and judging at the same time. Ironic.

 

[1christian1]

Yes, God loves him,no, he doesn't respect him. And you're making a blanket statement and judging at the same time. Ironic.

Are you implying that God has more love for you? He without sin? are you the one without sin that you can cast judgement on another? I do believe Jesus said this...