Jesus was pointless

[IKnowTheTruth]

So god purposly gives us free will, a burden he knows will condem us to a life of death and dissapointment. God knew from the beginning that we would fail his test of original sin. So even if we live as the best Christian we can, god has still hates us because he crushed us for no apparent reason or gain. Maybe god did it to show us his love through jesus and our struggles, but then it would have been for god's gain, not ours. God put you through your pains, he put you into your unsuccessful life of ignorance. Be thankul he made us? Why, so we can be tortured and tested instead of the love we were promised? God's test are unnecesary. Choose to stay unquestioning your faith? Well then dont you think its a little ironic your not supposed to "think about it to much"? Faith isn't a gift, its a tool to keep you from seeing how twisted what your obeying really is. Explain yourself.

 

[barukhmalachi]

Really? Are you serious? Your spiritual status says christian. It sounds like you view god as some dictator who enjoys watching us struggle and suffer. Without free will we would be subjects of communist dictator god. Adam and eve chose to go against god and sin. The curse is not gods fault but humans. God did not force obedience. Bad things that happen are a result of poor choices we make, not god causing it. Subjects of a dictator like hitler, serve in fear not love. By gods nature, he can not have sin in his presence. Sin became our nature. He sent jesus as a gift to restore our relationship with god. As far as testing goes, god does not cause it but may allow it. He is limited by his word and mostly by us. Often, if he intervened without us asking it would go against free will. He can't do that. If you never suffered anything and god allowed uou to experience nothing, you would be like a spoiled little rich kid that had everything handed to you. Which would destroy your appreciation for god and build expectation and anger if he quit providing. If you want a miracle or healing or provision, prayand receive it. He can't work in your life if you don't believe in what he offers. To many people blame god when its our own attitudes and disbelief and poor choices that bring us to the place we are in. There is righteous anger and unrighteous anger. Jesus had righteous anger when merchants were selling animals for their offering at the temple. And I believe I'm justly angry when I hear people bad mouthing god themselves and possibly putting a negative attitude towards god in the minds of others. Once you accept christ as your savior, then you have the privilage of calling yourself a christian. Then you obey out of love. This sellfish, view of god, blaming him for mankinds trouble and sin is not becoming of a christian and you need to seriously re evaluate where you stand in eternity if this is your view of god. Where is his love? Its all around you. I believe you attitude may have something to do with your blindness to it. I tell you this not in judgement but in the attempt to remove the scales from your eyes. You have a choice in this life. Choose life with god or death without god. God sends no one to hell. We choose for ourselfs. Good luck to you in your quest for god, you have some seeking to do before you find him I think.

 

[CatWoman]

It seems to me the person who started this post just wanted to push our bottons and get a rise out of us.

 

[Tobby17]

Poster of this thread.. The title says Jesus was pointless, but this thread has almost nothing to say about Jesus being pointless..

Just passing by though....

 

[crissy17]

So god purposly gives us free will, a burden he knows will condem us to a life of death and dissapointment. God knew from the beginning that we would fail his test of original sin. So even if we live as the best Christian we can, god has still hates us because he crushed us for no apparent reason or gain. Maybe god did it to show us his love through jesus and our struggles, but then it would have been for god's gain, not ours. God put you through your pains, he put you into your unsuccessful life of ignorance. Be thankul he made us? Why, so we can be tortured and tested instead of the love we were promised? God's test are unnecesary. Choose to stay unquestioning your faith? Well then dont you think its a little ironic your not supposed to "think about it to much"? Faith isn't a gift, its a tool to keep you from seeing how twisted what your obeying really is. Explain yourself.

Well you are desperate to find something to show you that God loves you. It is a choice to should look into the light where God is or to look into the darkness to see nothing. Living your life believing that God loves you and through Him you reach out to others. But in order for you to find true peace you first have to believe or have faith in God.... So you can choose to find God in the little things that are in your life or you can want a heavenly host to come and sing to you. looking for the dark is not the answer. AS for the Lord, not going to be a smooth as silk road but God is with you every step. He gives us free will to choose which way we want to go. If you step out in faith I think God will show you the good in your life. But He is not going to do a big show for you to invite you to follow Him. He just quietly give you the invitation, and say follow me. I will be praying that you choose the light of Jesus because you want to feel the warm love of Jesus in your heart. Even when things are going badly He was right with you. So trust in Him if you dare, but do it because you want to feel HIs loving arms holding you.. God bless you.

 

[ijustwanttheTruth]

Dear IknowtheTruth.

you DON'T know the truth. I don't know why you chose to join this site and i can imagine if what comes out of your mouth is what you just said, you likely won't be here long, so i will take this opportunity to speak to you while you're here long enough to say this.

I love you.
God loves you.
someday, if you honestly seek Him in humility. and acknowledge that you are a sinner and cannot measure up to the standards of His perfect Holiness.... He will answer your questions for you and lead you to all TRUTH.

but until the day you soften your heart, you will NEVER know the truth. because Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by Him. and He will not force His way into your heart. you must come humbly. God opposes the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

when judgement day comes, you, dear sir, do NOT want God, Creator of Heaven and Earth opposing you.

I say this all with Love. zero judgment. I bless you with all my heart.
sincerely,
a fellow sinner

 

[BADDOG]

i have a great plan for you its a whole new idea for you
its so amazing it will blow you away ready ???

TRY THINKING BEFORE YOU TYPE !!

BADDOG

 

[shemaiah]

Dude, if you only took the time to get to know the person before you blame them for everything, you would have had a different opinion. God bless

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Wake up!​

Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand; therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
Many who profess Christ as their savior today, are asleep to the works of darkness, they have fallen into complacency and are oblivious to the evil that lurks all around them. Their consciences have become seared and closed to any truth that could set them free from their bondage's to the darkness and lies coming out in droves from the professing Christian world.
Casting off the works of darkness, isn't possible in their minds, because they have been taught sin is a calamity and not a crime against God, they play around with sin and temptation, fast asleep to its hardening effects on their hearts.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Romans 1:19 because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them.
Yes, the sad fact is that many suppress the truth in unrighteousness by teaching one can remain in their vile sins and still make it into heaven, no questions asked, the provision has been made for them, and all is well, even though the word of God wholeheartedly refutes every argument they have to defend their saved in sin gospel, or be abandoned by the system they know and love!
Putting on the armor of light,(armor of God) is only accepted as provisional today, it’s a nice suggestion, and good to do, but in reality, since they were saved IN their sins, then this would void and nullify the power of God and Christ to keep one far away from any sins that would disqualify them from the kingdom.
Instead they remain, asleep to the truth, that will set them free if they would only wake up, from their slumber, repent as the city of Nineveh did, not assuming anything from God, and hoping they will be granted mercy for their disobedience and rebellion.
The gospel according to godliness is rendered powerless and is nonsense to them, who love the lie over the truth!
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
The power of God goes out to those who believe(obey and follow Christ on the narrow road, Luke 9:23) this power is then given to those who come to the end of self as the prodigal son did in the pig pen, fall to their knees in humble repentance and faith, through godly sorrow that cleanses and purges the old defiled heart clean and pure of sin and worldliness, being crucified with Christ, Galatians 2:20, and then remaining awake and alert, working their salvation out daily with fear and trembling.
The church is asleep I am afraid, alive to sin, and dead to an obedient faith that can save their souls, because they have bought into the great lie that has and will lead many into perdition, that claims you will surely not die, but in reality you will die IF you do not wake up, come out of the system of great errors, through the clearing that will only come from real repentance and faith, proven by deeds. Acts 20; 21.
To wake up is to stop playing church, dig deep for the truth, flee from the wrath to come by coming to a saving faith of repentance, and an obedient faith proven by deeds, it’s that simple, no gimmicks, no fancy plans, and no fluff, just a simple message that has been lost in translation during the reformed era, that took the pure gospel, and added and subtracted from it to make it another gospel being taught as truth today! Seek the truth immediately, and you will be richly rewarded!
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
How many today are diligently seeking Him? How many today are willing to wake up, and compare the huge difference between what is being taught today as truth, and what the gospel according to godliness actually teaches? Not many as I am finding out. Wont you just step aside from your worldly concerns and entertainments for a bit, and seek truth at all cost, making it a high priority for you and your family’s life, remaining diligent and sober minded, and standing firmly against the onslaught of lies pouring out of the seminaries, colleges, and churches that are teaching a false gospel, keeping many in slumber, and unable to wake up!
Tommy 1 21-12

 

[Trax]

So god purposly gives us free will, a burden he knows will condem us to a life of death and dissapointment. God knew from the beginning that we would fail his test of original sin. So even if we live as the best Christian we can, god has still hates us because he crushed us for no apparent reason or gain. Maybe god did it to show us his love through jesus and our struggles, but then it would have been for god's gain, not ours. God put you through your pains, he put you into your unsuccessful life of ignorance. Be thankul he made us? Why, so we can be tortured and tested instead of the love we were promised? God's test are unnecesary. Choose to stay unquestioning your faith? Well then dont you think its a little ironic your not supposed to "think about it to much"? Faith isn't a gift, its a tool to keep you from seeing how twisted what your obeying really is. Explain yourself.

The thing about sinning and forgiveness, is it applies to humans and not angels. Angels don't
get that option. They break one rule and its to the lake of fire forever. But a created a being,
that is man, could fail and still be redeemed. The problem with creating a being, is it can not
be like God, since there is only one God. How can anything less than God measure up to God's
standards? That is where the Son comes in. He was born into the world, like His creation,
but all perfect and with the high standards God demands. We get saved in Him. The saved,
get covered by Jesus' Holiness and Righteousness. You can complain about whatever
you want, but the option you get is better than what the angels get.

 

[VikkiKate89]

It's just a troll you guys. Don't feed it, ignore it.

 

[theBibleisawsome]

I agree with vickk. We just have to pray for the person who started this and not fight. There's many people who talk like this in the world.consider this a test a warm up so we can get ready for when other people in the world talk like this to us.God bless u all.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Whether he is honest or a troll the bible tells us to do the same: Speak the truth in love.

IKnowTheTruth: I have asked myself the very questions that you ask here during times in life when it all seems pointless.
The Jews at his time were expecting a mighty ruler to bring war, not a humble man from Nazareth. And they sure did not expect to see see him crucified, despite all the things the bible had said about it happening. (So: you are not the first person in history to doubt, far from it).

The problem is, faith is required for you to be saved, and beliving a Jesus lived does not help, you need the belive the Messiah lived, and that he died for your sins
Also, though quite frustrating: you need to repent: turn around 180 degrees from the wrongs you do (as we all do), and be a new creatue in Chriist

Yes God knew we would sin. - if you plan to have children in the future: do you think they will never break a rule?
As for God letting bad things happen: Assuming you do have rules: Will you lock your children in the house and pad everthing in it?
Jesus being pointless: If your children got into some big trouble, let's say they got charged with a death penalty, would you not, if possible, take the sentence on you? This is what Jesus did ...
Why judgement? yet if the children refused, because they would rather to back to doing what they had done before (and thus get a new sentence), you could not save them. Eventually, it is their choice, even thoiugh you could in theory keep them locked up

 

[theBibleisawsome]

I wouldn't be surprised if the person who started this thread doesn't come back online anymore. I think they came online just to start a argument.

 

[dmdave17]

Friends,

This young man sounds as if he has just experienced some severe disappointment in his life. We all know that there are many things that test our faith; that cause us doubt God's love for us. What he needs now, in my opinion, is some understanding and empathy. Maybe he isn't a Christian but we should be.

I would like to know what is troubling him; what caused him to have this outburst. Then maybe we could offer constructive advice to help him through his time of dispair. He did get one thing right. Salvation is a gift. There are many souls out there who cannot accept the premise that God offers it to us free of charge. All we have to do is accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. He needs to have that reinforced as strongly as we can. And the way we can do that is by demonstrating God's love ourselves.

So, I would hope that he does come back. Maybe he will see fit to tell us why he feels the way he does. Then we can try to help him through it.

God bless you all.

 

[Dude653]

My ignore bin just got one person deeper.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

For those of you who think this is a troll: why don't you take your own adivice and ignore, rather than posting in the thread making a potentian debate worse? If you truely believe he is one, report the post, don't bite back.

 

[xtinaz]

I used to think that, I had deep offense with God - I mean, why???? But what I have overcome and the joy I experience by just hanging out with God is too good to be true. Ild rather have that than worry everyday, fear life and death etc...He died for freedom, and I am discovering that everyday - so worthit. His yoke is way lighter than the worlds! Praying for you

 

[Cooee61]

i have a great plan for you its a whole new idea for you
its so amazing it will blow you away ready ???

TRY THINKING BEFORE YOU TYPE !!

BADDOG

Well said baddog

 

[Cooee61]

I really like what you wrote. The armor of God is something very close to me atm.. well done