Judge this abortion case
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Matthew 7:1 [ Judging Others ] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
[h=3]Romans 2:1-4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
[h=3]Romans 2:1-4[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
Z
[h=3]Matthew 5:43-48[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]Love for Enemies[/h][SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[SUP][a][/SUP] and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [SUP]46 [/SUP]If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
[h=3]Love for Enemies[/h][SUP]43 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[SUP][a][/SUP] and hate your enemy.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, [SUP]45 [/SUP]that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. [SUP]46 [/SUP]If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Z
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[h=3]Matthew 5:43-48[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
[h=3]Matthew 5:43-48[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
S
I would never in my wildest dreams compare abortion with what Hitler did. Obviously you would, so you don't need to repeat. I guess I'll have to state once more that I don't agree with virtually all cases of abortion accept in cases like this one, where the fetus will be seriously deformed and mentally impaired. I have the right to my view just as much as you do yours. I'm a Christian saved by grace, and I also have two children I would give my life for. If it were up to my mother to abort me or not if I was in that condition as a fetus, I'd want her to abort me.
i wish the we would just grow up and start to face responsibilities...and not back down because it was too hard or unpleasant. or because we have selfish reasons, "like it'll be too hard on me to raise a child like that."
and besides all of that, how can we take God's word and make it conditional to suit ourselves? 'thou shalt not kill...except if the child is deformed or whatever'
i know im being tough but my belief is firm..
and besides all of that, how can we take God's word and make it conditional to suit ourselves? 'thou shalt not kill...except if the child is deformed or whatever'
i know im being tough but my belief is firm..
J
Man has been wrong before, and God has healed babies in the womb
before birth. If they had been praying so long and hard for a baby, and
she did get pregnant, in my opinion, ( which is what you asked for ) this
was one situation they will never know how the baby would have been.
Abortion is taking a life. That being said, again, the baby is being made
whole and complete in the presence of the Lord.
before birth. If they had been praying so long and hard for a baby, and
she did get pregnant, in my opinion, ( which is what you asked for ) this
was one situation they will never know how the baby would have been.
Abortion is taking a life. That being said, again, the baby is being made
whole and complete in the presence of the Lord.
S
Well that's true of the baby either way, though if that baby had been born into this world, the probabilities imply that baby would have had a terribly hard life to a point us well people can not even imagine. Then that person dies in the long run anyway. This is hardly an arguable point anyway, because the fact is, it's done. None of us here can change what other people do when they are allowed and even encouraged by their doctors. We can argue until the cows come home, it's not going to change reality. Sometimes I wonder if we should just sit back and allow people to choose as they choose. Certainly we spread the gospel and tell them what we personally believe, but to try to stop society from doing things we think are wrong? Yeah sure, we should vote, but aside from that, God Himself allows this world to go on like it does. I'm sure there's a purpose behind that, so who are we to think we should forcibly derail that? I'm obviously not speaking of things we can effect, such as child abuse, starvation, etc. I'm talking about moral decisions such as this where others don't agree that it's immoral. Gotta let it go at some point if we cannot effect it. It's probably not ours to effect.
Z
Whole point of this all is that aborthion is wrong. But in the eyes of non-beleivers its ok. But to sit back and whatch people do what they want will end our right forever.
Our firstamendment right has been shreaded:bill' signed into law in secret. HR 347:
Obama signs bill 'in secret' making FREE SPEECH ILLEGAL! - YouTube
and our fredom of religion is in danger too
Our firstamendment right has been shreaded:bill' signed into law in secret. HR 347:
Obama signs bill 'in secret' making FREE SPEECH ILLEGAL! - YouTube
and our fredom of religion is in danger too
so now when
2 Corinthians 10:6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
Your obedience is fulfilled then you can righteously say whatever you want, sorry to see you have no love except for those that you agree with, as the heathen do the same
Have a blessed day, God does just love you and all the people. No person has the right to judge another, and usually when one does do this as you just did, there is usually a reason behind it that there is a problem with themselves or a close person to them that causes this finely behavior
I take the licks, and say we all have free choice, and God never once asked for anyone to take away anyone else's free choice
by his stripes I am healed. and I am thankful. The only message that was given after the Pentecost w3as and is we are reconciled to God. so since we are reconciled to God by God, why not just then say thank you and be reconciled back.
Not here to do any harm to anyone in anyway, and am sorry you do not have God's outlook in loving you, with you condemning me and whatever friend you are claiming
This is apparently a sore spot for you, and have regrets that are keeping you away from God's pure love, with you trying so hard to be perfect, and are mad because you have not succeeded in the energy of your own flesh.
No flesh in the sight of God is ever pleasing to God, and those of the flesh under the Law go out and ridicule all others when they see them cuss, smoke, drink, look at another person with lust in their eye, have become judgers and actually hurt and harm those that want to know God.
Love you, and you respond however and show us all the true colors, hoping for you to see through in God's love to you
Therefore you have now been Judged, God bless and am praying for your happiness.
2 Corinthians 10:6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
Your obedience is fulfilled then you can righteously say whatever you want, sorry to see you have no love except for those that you agree with, as the heathen do the same
Have a blessed day, God does just love you and all the people. No person has the right to judge another, and usually when one does do this as you just did, there is usually a reason behind it that there is a problem with themselves or a close person to them that causes this finely behavior
I take the licks, and say we all have free choice, and God never once asked for anyone to take away anyone else's free choice
by his stripes I am healed. and I am thankful. The only message that was given after the Pentecost w3as and is we are reconciled to God. so since we are reconciled to God by God, why not just then say thank you and be reconciled back.
Not here to do any harm to anyone in anyway, and am sorry you do not have God's outlook in loving you, with you condemning me and whatever friend you are claiming
This is apparently a sore spot for you, and have regrets that are keeping you away from God's pure love, with you trying so hard to be perfect, and are mad because you have not succeeded in the energy of your own flesh.
No flesh in the sight of God is ever pleasing to God, and those of the flesh under the Law go out and ridicule all others when they see them cuss, smoke, drink, look at another person with lust in their eye, have become judgers and actually hurt and harm those that want to know God.
Love you, and you respond however and show us all the true colors, hoping for you to see through in God's love to you
Therefore you have now been Judged, God bless and am praying for your happiness.
Thanks all of you for your carefully thinking this through. I especially appreciate the clarity abortion has been pictured.
I am still left with a picture of what seems evil in the people screaming judgments outside of clinics. Christians whose actions are in harmony with God's ways let God do the judging, and I am sure God does. As Christians they offer help instead.
Perhaps if this couple was shown compassion and help outside that clinic they could have, at least, handled their own guilt in a better way, or even been led to not harm the baby. Perhaps led to a closer walk with their Lord.
I am still left with a picture of what seems evil in the people screaming judgments outside of clinics. Christians whose actions are in harmony with God's ways let God do the judging, and I am sure God does. As Christians they offer help instead.
Perhaps if this couple was shown compassion and help outside that clinic they could have, at least, handled their own guilt in a better way, or even been led to not harm the baby. Perhaps led to a closer walk with their Lord.