Marriage is not simple with a Muslim woman.

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MattW

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Hi everyone. I am a believer and am married to a muslim woman. I really wish to divorce her. I did not get a christian marriage. What do you think I should do? I am not saying that I will follow your advice but it will be food for thought which I will pray over.

Thanks
Matt
 
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MattW

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Ok here is more info. She constantly verbally abuses me. She wants me to join in her Muslim events. She does not want to understand the concepts of Christian love and understanding and good communication. I am getting weary of doing good even though the bible tells me never to get weary of doing good. At my wits end.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Where does it say in Islam that a Muslim woman can verbally abuse her husband? It sounds like she is not being a good Muslim.
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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show her why you're God is Lord, havent you seen a miracle that you can share with her? God does them all the time, I've seen healings and stuff. check it out

2 corinthians 1:18-21.

18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes” and “No.” 19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silas[a] and Timothy—was not “Yes” and “No,” but in him it has always been “Yes.”20 For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God. 21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
 
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woka

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For me I think that our example and action usually speaks lourder than any word or scripture she might read. She will look to you, to see what you do and what you say etc. I have been told that the only way to convert someone who is a muslim is purely on a persoanl relationship basis. Because they "might" then take the time to listen to what you have to say, as the koran does not allow for reading of any literature that is not muslim, therefore limiting muslims people's ability to broaden their knowledge and make a more informed decision.

A women I was trying to minister too who is muslim had to just see Jesus in me, there was no other way, when the Holy Spirit lives in you, you are different, and this is always obvious to other's, so she will be very trying and very testing I am sure, to try and trip you up or make you angry. Neither of these is a sin if you feel either of them as long as it is controlled and done in love.

Muslim women also believe that their husbands are the only one's who can come back and fetch them and take them to heaven, so I am not sure what must be going through her mind, because she knows if you do not serve her god then you will not come back to fetch her when she dies, so I think she too must be feeling a bit traumatised by the whole thing.

Not a pleasant situation to find yourself in at all.
 
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isaria

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If you truly for the right reasons wish to divorse her then you should.
As perhaps you were "dominated" or forsed into a marriage at a young age when you were easily led astray and maybe you were afraid to stand up to her family who might of been dominating you.
Many woman but even men are so "dominated" they can no longer speak with their names but only whisper out words to those whom listen and can reach out to.
I do not call that dominating but dictating and often bullying with "family and friends".

I know many dominant people but they dominate with love and care and as a true leader not as a dictator that bullies and "dominates" with hate, jealousy, maliciousness to cause harm and suffering.

The difference is astounding as is the effect it has on those subjected to it.
It does happen that a dictator like spouse forses someone to marriage and or bullies with community and religion and family and friends the spouse who is all alone and maybe new in the country even.

Have even heard of those locked up and isolated and used as slaves and woman forsed wear burka who do not want to and reason may be cover up who it is does the work (slavery/theft).


In your case it seems as if you are not happy in this marriage and she is not a inspiration or support to you in your faith of and love for Jesus Christ.

As you are a christian not a muslim you should diverse her because if you are married in a faith that is not your faith then it is not a real marriage?
It is not your faith or religion so your vowels b4 this God and religion to marry may not be true?

If you divorse her and wish to remarry her in christian marriage or re marry a nother woman/good christian sister in faith instead.

It may take courage to leave her.
Specially if she "dominates" you using various techniques.
Some use sex, threates, children... theres many ways a person may control someone.

Best wishes to you and God bless.
 

presidente

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Hi everyone. I am a believer and am married to a muslim woman. I really wish to divorce her. I did not get a christian marriage. What do you think I should do? I am not saying that I will follow your advice but it will be food for thought which I will pray over.

Thanks
Matt
How did you get married legally? Did you go abroad or were you a Muslim on your KTP when you married?

In general, Indonesian women know they are supposed to submit to their husbands. I think I've met one Indonesian woman that said she was a feminist, and she was Chinese-Indonesian. Marrying an unbeliever has its risks. You don't have as much common ground (the scriptures) to appeal to for principles of marriage, and the Holy Spirit doesn't work on the hearts and consciences, IMO, of unbelievers the same way He does on believers.

But you do have some things in common to appeal to on an intellectual level. Both religions teach wives to submit to their husbands. She is to be respectful of you. If she is disrespectful, call her out on it. Some men make the mistake of just trying to placate their wives, not confronting the real issues for the sake of temporary peace. If she gets verbally abusive, let there be some kind of consequence. If you work and give her an allowance, take it away if she crosses the line. Let her know what the line is. She isn't allowed to insult you, yell at you, curse (or call you an animal name or whatever), or take a harsh tone, or talking bad about your parents, she looses a certain amount of her allowance for that month. If she works, she probably goes with Islamic or cultural rules that makes that her money. You could either tell her she can't work anymore or just set another consequence for her behavior. Tell her no self-respecting husband is going to put up with this garbage from her. If she starts screaming, or name calling you could also let the consequence be you don't listen to her or talk to her. You could leave the room, or go for a drive or a walk and leave her at home alone. She doesn't get to engage with you or get your attention unless she speaks in a civil manner. If you get her paying attention to her behavior and trying to do better, then she'll be on the right track.

When she behaves well, you reward it. You can do this with something as simple as encouraging words. You can tell her how much you appreciate her keeping her temper and mouth under control, how she is improving as a wife. You don't have to be mean, but you may have to be firm. She needs to know you won't put up with verbal abuse and you can help create a situation where she will be inclined to think before she speaks.

If she tries to get you to go to Muslim stuff, you could point out to her that in Islam, a husband is allowed to beat a disobedient wife. After a while, she might stop trying to convert you or get you to go to meetings so as not to hear you say that. :) That may backfire, so you would have to gauge her reaction. If it works, it might drive home the point that if she left you for a Muslim, she might get hit. Btw, I've never known of Indonesians to justify hitting their wives with Islam, though I have heard of other Islamic peoples doing that. But the idea that it is part of Islamic law has got to make some women uncomfortable with marrying a Muslim.

Have you tried getting her to go to Christian events? What about highly contextual people who dress Islamic and use the Koran to explain why she needs Jesus and why she read to use the Bible? PM me and let me know where are located, assuming the forum allows PMs.

Islam allows Muslim men to marry Christian women because the man is the boss, and he could determine how the kids are raised. (Think of society as it must have been in Arabia at the time of Mohammad.) But a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a Christian man. As a Christian, you have all the teachings of Christ and the apostles against divorce and remarriage. I suppose you could consider remaining celibate for life or something like that. So you are in a vulnerable situation where her relatives or other Muslims could advise her that she is justified in divorcing you. Islam only allows men to divorce women, though I think Indonesian law may not be strict on that. I'm not sure. But since you are a Christian, they might not follow the same rules and may allow her to divorce you are decree your marriage invalid according to Islamic law. I don't know about secular, but Indonesia may acknowledge such Islamic decisions. (You'd have to check.) I know of an Arab Christian who was married to a Muslim Indonesian whose family told her to leave him.

That's another issue-- her family. If she is trying to pressure you to become Muslim, you could move away from her family. If you are in Indonesia, you could move to a more Christianized area of Java or Sumatra. I don't know if you can completely leave the influence of Islam without being in a really remote village in Sumatra or Irian Jaya, though Manado might be a city where Islam is least influential.

I'd also encourage you to fast and pray for her. Sometimes Muslim wives get saved and are the one's praying for their KTP Christian husbands to get saved, or get more dedicated to the Lord than their husbands it seems.
 

presidente

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As you are a christian not a muslim you should diverse her because if you are married in a faith that is not your faith then it is not a real marriage?
It is not your faith or religion so your vowels b4 this God and religion to marry may not be true?
In the Bible, I don't see anything about marriage vows or priests or preachers declaring marriages valid as the basis of a marriage. In the Old Testament, the father would give the daughter away to the man in marriage. Marriage goes way back before Moses' giving the law or Jesus preaching all the way to creation. It is for all mankind, not just one particular religion. Marriages were valid before Christians had elders or priests, and before mankind had any kind of elders at all. Adam was most likely very young, and Eve was brand new.
 

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I venture to say that nothing is more important outside of people's salvation.
You cannot save your wife, but God can. The next best thing to saving someone is truly praying after them.
By this I mean dedicate yourself to praying privately and openly with others for your wife. Your marriage is secondary to the woman whose soul is in jeopardy. Take your matters to God, but be listening for the matters God has for you. One God-lesson could be to endure the marriage so that she sees Christ's faithfulness in you... and one day attributes your Christ-qualities to her saying yes to Jesus. How awesome!

I pray for you.
We all have our battles, our crosses to carry.

You are not alone, neither is your wife.
God cares.
 
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MattW

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Isaria... your words ring so true.

It may take courage to leave her.
Specially if she "dominates" you using various techniques.
Some use sex, threats, children... theres many ways a person may control someone.
These threats are the ones she has been using on me. Especially the way she treated my daughter. I have stopped having sex with her. I could not in all honesty make love to her as the love has died a cruel death.
 
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MattW

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Dear intercessorginger

Love never fails. True but sometimes the price we pay for love is truly horrific.
I am not convinced I have the strength to pay that price, which would include losing my daughter. Would you?
 
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As a Christian man, we are called to be the leader. I allowed my nonbelieving wife to trash me and destroy our marriage, family, and children for many years. I tried to be a loving 'doormat' for her, but that only made things worse.

Exerting our authority as the head of household can be a loving thing. Setting boundaries and not putting up with particular behaviors is a loving and appropriate thing to do as well. We are called to love our wife, but also called to rule our home. We can respectfully take action to end inappropriate behaviors from our family members.

I finally cut off finances and a lot of other things to my wife after years of her abusive behavior, police events, and so on. I had to let her suffer the consequences of her actions. Then she finally learned to do what is right. Otherwise, my acting as a 'loving doormat' only enabled her poor behavior for all those previous years...when I should have been a strong and resolute person.

Your personal situation is probably very complicated, and I can't claim to know God's will for this whole thing. I am certain that God can provide some wisdom and direction for you. It was a long and difficult process for me. Sometimes God takes longer than we would like. But if we surrender to his plan, he will take us on his path to where he ultimately wants us to be.

God be with you. Mike
 

presidente

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MattW,

I am really sorry to hear about this. I don't know what kind of advice people can give due to the lack of details. Does your wife want you to send your daughter away, or is she just driving a wedge between you and your daughter?

A man cutting his wife off from sex is not an option for Christians. I Corinthians 7 tells us to render 'due benevolence' to one another. That's how the KJV puts in. in context, it's talking about sex. If you cut your wife off from sex, that's likely to make her meaner, not nicer. Btw, cutting a wife off from sex is the first step a Muslim man is supposed to take to discipline his wife before hitting her. But that's not what the Bible teaches.

Michaelwriting had some good things to say. My wife has always been a good wife, but I think there have been times that I have not been firm enough with her when she gets emotional or out of sorts or wanted her own way. I think things have improved on both of those fronts over the years. I had the idea that being a doormat, as Michael put it, was a humbly holy thing. But it's not. Eli rebuked his sons but wasn't strict enough and his house received judgment from God for it.

What are you doing to make life unpleasant for your wife when she does wrong? What exactly is she doing wrong? Sometimes leadership means making things unpleasant. It could mean witholding some finances like Michaelwriting's example. But it can be as simple as having a conversation where you say you aren't going to put up with X, Y, Z. Have you ever worked with someone who had an attitude that they weren't going to put up with anything, and people tiptoe around that person so as not to cause conflict? It's possible to just be firm about your expectations without being mean or doing anything cruel.

Sure, your wife can choose how she acts, but there may be a lot of things you can do to deal with the situation rather than just giving up and getting a divorce.
 

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1 Corinthians 7
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
 
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Stanelake

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show her why you're God is Lord, havent you seen a miracle that you can share with her? God does them all the time, I've seen healings and stuff. check it out
Brethren, I am married to a christian woman but how much Ive gone through! I was sooo expectant of marriage that I was vulnerable(because of feeling safe with her). I came to realise that if it is not possible to reach the intimacy level you desire (communication, friendship...) its better to accept it and live your life in the best way God desires. The influence of her actions may be greater if you expect too much.

Its funny that most women claim innocence when things get really bad and say "I don't know what happened" So its wise to realise that some people actually dont know that they are messing you up when they do- their conscience remains clear even if actually they are hurting you.

Guard your heart. Its the only thing that you can be sure of in the end and God desires you to be pure.

I came to the point of desiring other women, desiring divorce, desiring pornography, desiring things that would make the pain go away. I am dying inside.

Guard your heart. Do not let the present circumstances take away your love for the Lord.
 
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isaria

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Is there some action you can take for your daughter and to protect her?
Some times , specially if she is not the real mother jealousy can occur and that may cause her treat your daughter bad or excellent tool to threaten you that will not see your daughter if you leave/divorse her.
Maybe she can go to boarding school.
Is she raised as a muslim or a christian upbringing and has she been given choice to choose her religion..

Being a door mat is no good either.

I also know of suprisingly many men that have had girlfriends or wifes threaten suicide if they leave them.
Woman who may have children, career....still threaten suicicide.
Others cant have children and dont have friends or social support net work and i think when one has children and friends and support network and bullies some one so they dont have it is immature ,selfish behaviour although i do understand depression suicide and or threatening it to get what want should not be a way to go.


A man I grew up with was with a woman and wanted leave her for years and years but every time he told her he was leaving she said she would kill her self if he did so he stayed and was miserable.
Took him many years to leave anyway.
She did not kill her self but if she had of or attempted to and gone to hospital she would have support and he would have guilt perhaps.


You should have legal rights to your daughter and maybe you can communicate with her about it.
What is her opinion or is she to young still?

Can you seek a priest to talk with or some one else you feel good with and trust.
You should take some form of action and not just let things "go on" but what action is best to take?
Make a change for the better.
 
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Cino

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Hi everyone. I am a believer and am married to a muslim woman. I really wish to divorce her. I did not get a christian marriage. What do you think I should do? I am not saying that I will follow your advice but it will be food for thought which I will pray over.

Thanks
Matt

I think the situation is sad. I keep saying this over & over, and cannot stress it enough. God says in the Bible that we should not be "unequally" yoked. Christians should NOT marry anyone other than Christians. What does light have to do with darkness? Your ways and thinking will be different, your lifestyles, your beliefs... whatever made you marry a muslim woman? Because you have transgressed this commandment, you must now also pay the consequences of not marrying a Christian. If a Christian marries anyone other than a Christian, they will suffer for it. I am pretty sure that you will not convert her to Christianity. Perhaps she is playing on your Christian beliefs and that is why she treats you the way she does. If you can get out of the marriage, best to separate. This however, does not give you the right to remarry. The Bible states that if you divorce, you can do so, but it does not allow you to remarry.
 
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Read the book of Ezra

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They have mixed the people who belong to God with the people around them
 
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When God tells us to act in a certain way, and we live in a world that makes it impossible to follow all God wants of us it is so very hard. You made a vow, you are to keep it. You are one with a woman who is dead in the eyes of the Lord! What a situation!

It seems to me that telling her that your God and worshipping Him is more important in your life than anything else this life has to offer, and both her religion and her way of treating you with disrespect is interfering with that so that it is best you get away from her, and you have decided to separate as your only course of action available to you would be the best answer. She would have to make the decision about divorce, your decision would only have to do with you and your daughter living apart from her.

If you read in the book of Daniel how Daniel stood firm about making God first in His life and worship, I think it would help.