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Galahad

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When are you considered a married couple in The Lord? Marriage by church or the law?
Good question.

As you know, God created marriage. It's His.

You are married, husband and wife, when you follow God's teaching.

Where I live, the state requires a marriage license. Includes a health test. And affirms either party is single, not married to another, not going through a divorce.

Romans 13 obey the law of the land.

The law requires that a couple be married by a judge or by another person. There must be a witness or two. Not sure if one is enough. Witness to what? To the marriage vows? No. To the affirmative response of the bride and groom to the question: "Is it your intent to take Jane to be your wife?" And same asked of the bride toward the groom. With that and having a license, they are married.

If there's no license and/or no affirmation, the couple is not recognized as husband and wife by the law of the land. And so with Romans 13, neither are they married in the eyes of God.
 
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Galahad

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Good question.

As you know, God created marriage. It's His.

You are married, husband and wife, when you follow God's teaching.

Where I live, the state requires a marriage license. Includes a health test. And affirms either party is single, not married to another, not going through a divorce.

Romans 13 obey the law of the land.

The law requires that a couple be married by a judge or by another person. There must be a witness or two. Not sure if one is enough. Witness to what? To the marriage vows? No. To the affirmative response of the bride and groom to the question: "Is it your intent to take Jane to be your wife?" And same asked of the bride toward the groom. With that and having a license, they are married.

If there's no license and/or no affirmation, the couple is not recognized as husband and wife by the law of the land. And so with Romans 13, neither are they married in the eyes of God.
"The law" State of California.
 
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Livingforchrist

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Got it, I knew I had read somewhere it was through the law. Your answer was perfect and very informative. I'm glad I found this Christian community where people are here to help one another.
 

notuptome

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Do not expect God to bless sin. God is longsuffering but you are expected to repent when you seek forgiveness of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Livingforchrist

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I understand that, God hates sin. And like I said I am nowhere near being perfect, but I do want to make things right with The Lord.
 
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Galahad

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Got it, I knew I had read somewhere it was through the law. Your answer was perfect and very informative. I'm glad I found this Christian community where people are here to help one another.
Hey Living
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But why not just go through the test run? Won't hurt. Oh, just go ahead, and, well, I would say try it. :cool:
 
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Galahad

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Hey Living
Look down to the left of this box. Find the words Blog this Post. From there, scoot your eyes slightly to the right, slowly, slower. SLOWER! Good. You see that star or badge like symbol? Click on it. No. Don't.

First highlight and copy this: Got it, I knew I had read somewhere it was through the law. Your answer was perfect and very informative. I'm glad I found this Christian community where people are here to help one another.

Okay now click on the star, badge symbol. Okay. On the empty space for text/comment, right click. Now click on paste.

If the statement you copied appears after you click paste, then go ahead and click on Add to Reputation.

You don't have to do this. I was only trying to show you how you add good points to another's reputation. I didn't necessarily have my Reputation in mind. Just using it as a sample. A test run. That sort of thing.

But why not just go through the test run? Won't hurt. Oh, just go ahead, and, well, I would say try it. :cool:
Living, what's taking so long?
 
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Galahad

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Living, what's taking so long?
Living! You gave me Reputation points. Wow! Thank you! I very much appreciate it. But you know, I don't really feel good for having them. I cheated.

Glad you found a site that helps. Have a great day.
 
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Livingforchrist

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I sent the reputation thing already.
 
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Livingforchrist

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You're welcome. Well you helped me out too, so I guess it evens out. What are reputation points anyway?
 

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rep points are given when someone reps you. If Galahad, for example, were to rep comment you, you would gain 3 rep points because he has 3 powers. Once you get 100 rep points, you get a power and a green bar. :)
 
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Livingforchrist

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Ohh okay thank you for the information :)
 
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atwhatcost

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From a different side on this -- would you want one of your children's friends to teach your children about the Bible? In like kind, you too are young in the Lord. You're old enough (in the Lord, so that's your rebirthdate I'm referencing, not your physical age) to learn, but not yet old enough to teach.

Want help? Until you find a good Bible-believing church this will help. Go to eSword.net and start perusing what they have to offer. I recommend downloading a few Bible versions (and make sure it's "version," not "translations," because a version is biblical scholars going back to the earliest texts and coming up with the best word-for-word English variation of those words, while translations are just people taking already transcribed English versions and translating it to what they want it to say.) KJV, simply because it's been proven accurate and goes along with other Bible Aids. A version for your country, since American is our version of English (either American Standard Version or the New International Version), and, just because I can understand it too and it's also a good version, the English Standard Version. But, feel free to pick any other versions you like, or even an Interlinear version, so you can see the four gospels in some kind of chronological order.

And after downloading different Bible versions, also download some aids so you can see what Biblical Scholars see when they read the same verses you're reading. You have to go with Strong's Concordance, which does go with the KJV. (Strong was a scholar who took every word in the Bible, told what the original word was, how it was pronounced and what the meaning was, and then took it one more step and showed every instance of that word throughout the Bible. Cool, huh? So you can't get lost on a word.) And, then you'll want Webster's 1820 dictionary, just because the meanings of words have changed over the centuries (and some of the other recommendations I'm about to give you were men who lived even before that, so they don't talk like us and it's hard to understand them, unless you have that dictionary at the ready.) And then for commentators, I recommend Matthew Henry for devotional, John Gill for the nitty gritty (he goes through every phrase to tell you what it meant way back when), Adam Clarke for the what-does-this-mean-to-us-today stuff, and Adam Barnes for the put-it-in-context stuff. I call those guys my Dead Guys, because they're all dead yet still teach me what the Bible means far beyond what I could ever spend my life figuring out on my own. That's just so you can read any Bible book and understand it.

BUT, if you also like to do word studies, (like you just asked on what marriage is according to the Bible, so that would make a good word study for you), also download Nave's Topical Bible, which does give references for the big issue stuff of the Bible (like who the Father is, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, marriage, divorce, fellowship, church, angels, etc.) and Vine's Expository.

And don't freak, too much. It's not like you have to read all those at any given moment. It's just that studying the Bible is very daunting -- always -- and these are like having your traditional reference material nearby, for when you need it. (Like, I always have a dictionary near me, in case I don't know a word, but I only pull it out maybe once a month. I also have a thesaurus next to me, because I like to write. And I finally gave up on phone books, because that's even too old-school for em. lol It's not like I read the whole thing through in one sitting, but it's very handy when I need one.)

Better yet, once you download all that from eSword, your reference material is right on your computer to access whenever you can. (Hubby used to have all that and more in books. I can't imagine how messy that would be with young ones in the house like you have. He studied on a spare sofa, and had so many books around him, I couldn't get within five feet of him when he was in study mode. lol)

So, first you learn and then you'll be able to help others learn. If you want to help your friend, just send him all this, and he can download and study with all the help he needs. Then you helped and your partner isn't worried about an old relationship redeveloping.

And you both need fellowship, so find a good church. (Not to be confused with you and old boyfriend should go to the same church, since that too will bother your partner.) There are many out there, but since you don't know the Bible yet, I recommend Reformed Pres., Orthodox Pres. (all "Pres." mean Presbyterian, but it's such a long word, and I'm lazy, so abbreviate lol) or Pres. Church in America. (Just don't go for PC-USA since they gave up the Bible just about all together a couple of decades ago), for nothing but Bible teaching and fellowship. And the elders would have time to talk to you, if you want them. They will answer your questions, and will even come to your house if that's what you need.

And, yes, I know there are other churches, I just don't know them that well to suggest any others.

Also, be careful about marrying your partner this soon. You've just become born-again making you a new creature. You're different. He's probably getting that, but you said it's only been a few weeks. That hadn't given him time to decide if he likes the new you. One of the big problems with living with someone and then becoming born again is the change of ethics. Many relationships end, if the partner can't take the new creature. Some go strong because both people become born again. Being Christian for so long, I have problems with you living together, but that's a knee-jerk reaction. I have no idea how young folks deal with this position now. (Becoming born again after deciding to live together.) Even as old as I am, I've seen what happens often enough to know you're relationship is at a crossroad. Either he'll end up becoming born again too and you marry. Or he's going to freak ad get angry. Then it's up to both of you to decide what the next step is. Paul covers that in 1 Corinthians. You might want to study that book next to see what your choices are when whatever happens next happens. I honestly can't tell you what happens to your relationship after this other than to know the two of you will always be connected because of your children. Just don't jump the gun on marriage, simply because we long-time Christians freak.

I will pray for you though, because it's going to get harder, before it gets easier.
 

presidente

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Something you could point out to your boyfriend is if he is just a boyfriend, he doesn't really have any right telling you who to talk to. If he were your husband and he were jealous about a relationship with someone else, that's a different story. But he's just some guy, a boyfriend only. You could have some self-respect for yourself.

And also, as a Christian, you want to be married to a Christian man who is serious about his faith. Someone who has been baptized, who gathers as part of church, who reads the Bible. If you have kids, you can point out that fathers are to raise their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. If he believes, he should start walking with the Lord.

You could move out if possible. If that's not possible, you could sleep on the couch or in the other room--- no sex before marriage. Have some self-respect about it, too. If he wants to marry you, he can do it right. He can ask for your father's hand in marriage and apologize for living with you, etc. before marrying you. The wedding doesn't have to be huge if everyone is okay with that.
 
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Livingforchrist

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Thank you so much for all the information, I feel very fortunate to be in this site, getting advice from such good hearted people in Christ. I will look into all the books you recommended, because I want to have a better understanding of the gospel. And you're correct, I'm not too young to learn, but definitely to teach. He believes and he says he loves God, but sometimes his actions show otherwise, I want him to read the gospel and I do want to join a church, but he doesn't really like meeting new people. I hope that he can turn to Christ so that our relationship can work and maybe eventually marry. Thank you for all the advice.
 
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Livingforchrist

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Thank you and you are absolutely right, I will talk to him and tell him these things, because I want us to walk with The Lord, and maybe if we are both prepared then we can marry. I just doubt he would want to join a church and be baptized, he's not too keen on meeting new people. And I also don't know how to find a church that teaches straight from the bible, or where to even begin looking.
 
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Livingforchrist

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I just wrote Everything you recommended and I'm going to visit the site. Thank you so much for all your help. I really appreciate it :)
 

1joseph

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Dear Livingforchrist,

In your original post you mentioned you had been reading your bible and building a relationship with our Lord and that you have been wanting to talk to everyone about God and to lead your partner and children toward Christ. Those desires are from the Holy Spirit. You are just now wanting to build your relationship with the Lord but it was He who has already been working in your life and drawing you unto Him, for it is God's Love that gives us the desire to know Him, the desire that you now have.

I encourage you, when you are spending time in the bible and feel close to the Lord, to tell Him that you believe in Jesus and want Jesus' saving grace to cover your sins. Ask Him to forgive you of your sins and to come into your heart and fill it with His Love and be your Savior and the Lord of your life.

Then, your loving Heavenly Father will guide you and take care of you and all your concerns, including those you love and want to walk with you in the Lord. Being His, you can ask Him for the desires of your heart and He will answer.

I'm believing, with you!
 

notuptome

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I understand that, God hates sin. And like I said I am nowhere near being perfect, but I do want to make things right with The Lord.
Far easier to say than to do. Consider the two malefactors crucified with Christ. One attempted to manipulate Christ and died in his sin. The other much better known asked for mercy and was forgiven.

If nowhere perfect is your way of saying you are living in sin then confess it to the Lord and change what you are doing. God should not be expected to bless sin. Six years together and two children does not demonstrate an ideal relationship before the Lord. A pseudo marriage is like a pseudo salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Livingforchrist

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Thank you, that's exactly how I feel one day I woke up and I had a desire to read the bible and gain knowledge and ever since I received my bible I have been reading it daily and I feel a strong desire to learn more and truly walk with Christ and leave my old life behind. God Bless you and thank you again.