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Okay, I've heard this argument from those of the Reformed persuasion a lot (and I skew Reformed a bit myself), and I STILL don't get it. How can it be like circumcision if both boys AND girls are baptized as infants. It just isn't equal. Please explain.
Um, I don't even get why God just wanted the outward sign for boys but nothing for the girls before Christ came. Sorry, that's the part I can't get. I think it's cool that both boys and girls can be baptized though.
 
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You're right; it isn't equal--it's an analogy.

Here's the key: an outward sign of an inward work

She's saying that infant baptism is an outward sign of an inward work just as circumcision was an outward sign of an inward work in the Old Testament way.


Nope. Sorry. Didn't get that either. Why did boys get a special ceremony back in the OT days that girls didn't get? (And, I know circumcising a women is so very different than circumcising a guy that girl's should never be circumcised, so I'm not asking why we don't. I'm asking why parents couldn't dedicate us to the Lord in another way.)

I think that often in the OT. Best answer I've ever gotten for that question is, "God's ways are not our ways."

It is an answer. I'll settle for that answer, but it really doesn't get to the heart of my "I was raised on equality of the sexes" heart. (And judging santuzza's age, so was she.)


(BTW, didn't know that belief was from my time in the reformed circles. I've believe in the "outward show of an inward work" for so long, I forgot where I picked it up. lol)
 
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But how can there be an inward work when an infant has absolutely no ability to cognate?
That part I get. It is a promise, really for the parents, to raise the child up in God's ways. That's where infant circumcision and infant baptism fit. The child isn't dedicating himself to God -- the parents are. Much like OT prophet parents handed over their toddlers to the temple to serve God.

And one of the promises in God's book is "Train a child up in the ways he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."

So, it doesn't bug you that circumcision was only for guys then? Bummer! Thought we were confused about the same thing. :D

Got to say though, if I were a guy and wasn't circumcised as a baby, I don't know how dedicated I'd ever get toward becoming Jewish to ever have the guts to be circumcised when I could actually remember getting cut... THERE... ON PURPOSE!
 
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#44
What's that got to do with it? Most parents in Norway baptize infants, Catholics, Protestants or Agnostics

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CEF: Let the person in charge of the ceremony know if you are still nervous about it, I am sure they are used to plenty of different reactions :)
Just so you know I'm not angry with you, I think it's cool she took your advice and it worked. Good advice. Never did dawn on me to ask before hand. Then again, I took the plunge in summertime, so I wasn't nervous, except for that nose thingy. (And sure enough, the minister told me to hold my nose. Doh!)
 
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#45
That would have been pretty cool, would it not!
 
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ah, sorry
it's just that the majority of the members here act as if Catholics are the spawn of satan or something :( I get kinda defensive :D

PS: and we (CCers in general) did it again, siderailed a thread. If only someone would pay us for it.
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Mmmmm, chocolate!


And we're not supposed to derail? I didn't know that.


I often think that has more to do with topic. Like if CEF was terrified, then it's just not nice. Since she was a little bit nervous, after explaining what we know, we get to talking in a slightly different bent, so she knows we're not all terrified for her. (Of course, I think Sirk bulldozed that one, but it was hilarious, so chill-lax worked there too. lol)
 
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Yes, I don't say I agree with infant baptism, I ask what Catholics have to do with it, as ALL denominations do it here
this site has a way of hating certain groups of people

but we are getting off topic...
Maybe this site might have people on it who hate certain groups but I don't hate anyone. The word tells me to reprove and correct. I wrote what I wrote out of love because I know enough of the word to understand that many are passing up paradise. I'll tell you this as well whether they realise it or not there are probably more men behind the pulpits who are really bigger warmongers than Napoleon ever thought of being.
 
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Maybe this site might have people on it who hate certain groups but I don't hate anyone. The word tells me to reprove and correct. I wrote what I wrote out of love because I know enough of the word to understand that many are passing up paradise. I'll tell you this as well whether they realise it or not there are probably more men behind the pulpits who are really bigger warmongers than Napoleon ever thought of being.
With what I just said in mind all these different denominations are actually sects.