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How should we judge gay marriage?

  • Should the subject go back to the state?

  • Should it be outlawed nationwide?

  • Should it be legal as a human right?


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Willow

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When they were trying to pass gay marriage it was just a front to open up more perversion the devil is trying to implement as being normal or a choice. It was the beginning of lowering the age of consent for a child, bestiality and any other distorted perverse notion. It isn't about them having certain rights but protecting those who do not have a say. Do we truly want your child at age 6 marrying a 60 yr. old man ? The whole thing makes me cringe at Sodom and Gamora attitude of society.
 
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lol,
Ephesians 6
because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. 9And masters, do the same for your slaves. Give up your use of threats, because you know that He who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with Him.
Galatians 3
For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

lol, "Still have slaves..."
If we're Talmudist, like Israel, and I consider non-Talmudists as clay to be bought, sold, or destroyed at will, yes. If we're Muslim, like Africa, where I can buy a Chattle slave, yes. If we are Christian... lol
You insist America was founded as a Christian Theocracy.

America's history proves that Christian Theocracy you espouse existed made enslavement of persons a matter of law.
https://today.law.harvard.edu/understanding-the-legacy-of-slavery/

The 13th amendment freed the slaves kept in this Christian Theocracy. Not all slaves, but many.


1 Peter 2:
18 You who are slaves must submit to your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you—not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if are cruel. 19 For God is pleased when conscious of his will, you patiently endure unjust treatment.

Slavery in America began in 1526.
 

Aaron56

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lol, "We've been blundering forward so long that we have mercenaries who no longer care!"
lol. this is hardly a logical retort. you are doing a cardinal sin to the US Founders, you're taking the view that Government defines The People, because you cannot see that The People ARE NOT The Federal offices, the Federal Offices are Our Slaves.
Sounds like you're trying to preserve a nation that will eventually succumb to the Anti-Christ with all other nations. That's unbiblical and uninformed.

But, you're heading into QAnon territory with some of your posts, so I discern you are unable to see the truth of these things. You are victim of the great delusion and American idolitry. Consequently, your message has no value to the kingdom of God.
 

Aaron56

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When they were trying to pass gay marriage it was just a front to open up more perversion the devil is trying to implement as being normal or a choice. It was the beginning of lowering the age of consent for a child, bestiality and any other distorted perverse notion. It isn't about them having certain rights but protecting those who do not have a say. Do we truly want your child at age 6 marrying a 60 yr. old man ? The whole thing makes me cringe at Sodom and Gamora attitude of society.

Of course.

And that is how corrupt this nation is. The mere fact we have to debate these issues, officially, should be enough to prove we are not a Christian nation. In a Christian nation God would simply decree what is truth and the people would follow. Here, there people make up their own laws often contrary to God's character.
 
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Sounds like you're trying to preserve a nation that will eventually succumb to the Anti-Christ with all other nations. That's unbiblical and uninformed.

But, you're heading into QAnon territory with some of your posts, so I discern you are unable to see the truth of these things. You are victim of the great delusion and American idolitry. Consequently, your message has no value to the kingdom of God.
Lol,
Wilson started the Professionalization of Government. The Theory that Educated Officers trained to be in government, instead of appointed temporarily to take positions. would bring a betterment to the US. That is now bearing Fruit.
A clear separation of Powers in the Constitution, is mocked as QAnon.
lol.
 
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Of course.

And that is how corrupt this nation is. The mere fact we have to debate these issues, officially, should be enough to prove we are not a Christian nation. In a Christian nation God would simply decree what is truth and the people would follow. Here, there people make up their own laws often contrary to God's character.
We are a Christian nation. Our Mass Media continues to hypnotize you into thinking your neighbors are too crazy to live, but they've been in that house for 3 generations, and are doing just fine.
Stop listening to the D&R from DC, which is all just Mercenary and Mercenary Soldiers, who are not Content with their Pay, but instead need a larger budget, to get more interns, to get more free time and lighter work load.

Either The People are the nation, or the Government is the Nation. If the Government is the nation, The People are Subjects.
You get what you want.
 
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Sounds like you're trying to preserve a nation that will eventually succumb to the Anti-Christ with all other nations. That's unbiblical and uninformed.

But, you're heading into QAnon territory with some of your posts, so I discern you are unable to see the truth of these things. You are victim of the great delusion and American idolitry. Consequently, your message has no value to the kingdom of God.
I knew I'd read their stubborn rhetoric somewhere before.

QAnon now trolls Christian forums sites? That puts some encounters here in perspective. 🤔
 
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I knew I'd read their stubborn rhetoric somewhere before.

QAnon now trolls Christian forums sites? That puts some encounters here in perspective. 🤔
Defamation is a sin.
You're out of line.

Either the US is authored and sustained by The People, or it's not that nation. I approve of the Constitution, but then I've read it.
You approve of a Top Down Oligarchy that lies openly about its goals, and deceives its own people, having told you it would do so.

You don't even know the US when its basic principles are given.

At no point was the Right of Family given to The State nor The Federal. Not once has The Constitution amended to this.
Ever.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Having undertaken for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together in a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620.
(William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation, ed. Samuel Morison, 75-6.)​
??? ooook.
You Might, but they fled to get away from oppression, NOT to proselytize
proselytize
  1. To attempt to convert someone to one's own religious faith.
  2. To attempt to persuade someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
  3. To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

(Having undertaken for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, )
Esacaping persecution was what led them to Holland but Holland culture was becoming more pagan and that led them to seek the new world in order to build a colony and advance the gospel. In which they did to the Indians.​
That is ultimately what led to King Philips War (Indian). By that time many Indians had adopted the Christian faith and he felt it to be a threat to his pagan practices.​
King Philip's War (sometimes called the First Indian War, Metacom's War, Metacomet's War, Pometacomet's Rebellion, or Metacom's Rebellion) was an armed conflict in 1675-1678 between indigenous inhabitants of New England and New England colonists and their indigenous allies. The war is named for Metacom, the Wampanoag chief who adopted the name Philip because of the friendly relations between his father Massasoit and the Mayflower Pilgrims.​
 

Roughsoul1991

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I'll answer it.

You can marry your brother or sister.

Unless or until these states have or do repeal their laws that permit sibling marriage.
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona: Only if both parties are 65 or older, or one is infertile
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
https://optimistminds.com/what-are-the-states-where-you-can-marry-your-sibling/
This is why a topic like marriage must be a national issue. Same with how segregation became. It is too harmful and dire to society to not keep secured in national law.

Next thing up will be allowing Islamist take child brides and Mormons back to taking many wives.
 
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build a colony and advance the gospel.
The crux of your falsehood.
That "advancing the gospel" implies first, the Prostylitizing to non-believers. This might have made sense, if they were not sending their entire homes. But they moved, to avoid persecution, and they found that Holland was not of their tastes.

So to secure their own worship, which they believed guided by the Holy Spriit, at least by narrative, they moved. That there were sinners in the area was not their primary concern. One of their concerns was getting away from European monarchs who thought that Government was God's way to the Betterment of the People.

In either event, you have to read into "advance the Gospel" to prove the Redefinition of their Stated Causes.
 
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This is why a topic like marriage must be a national issue. Same with how segregation became. It is too harmful and dire to society to not keep secured in national law.

Next thing up will be allowing Islamist take child brides and Mormons back to taking many wives.
lol, The Sword of State will keep us faithful to God?
The sword will only punish us when we stray into sin. Are you sure that you want a sword?
What about keeping a good marriage, since we're keeping marriages?
You must spend more time sitting with your wife doing puzzels and talking, or you get the sword.
You must buy your wife flowers every 5th day, but not for the same reason, and not just because we say so, or you get the sword.
 

Roughsoul1991

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The crux of your falsehood.
That "advancing the gospel" implies first, the Prostylitizing to non-believers. This might have made sense, if they were not sending their entire homes. But they moved, to avoid persecution, and they found that Holland was not of their tastes.

So to secure their own worship, which they believed guided by the Holy Spriit, at least by narrative, they moved. That there were sinners in the area was not their primary concern. One of their concerns was getting away from European monarchs who thought that Government was God's way to the Betterment of the People.

In either event, you have to read into "advance the Gospel" to prove the Redefinition of their Stated Causes.
Not sure how their statement in the Mayflower compromise could not be any more clear.

Also read William Bradford's journal. You will see there heart was set on all 3 religious freedom, survival, and spreading the gospel.
 

Roughsoul1991

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lol, The Sword of State will keep us faithful to God?
The sword will only punish us when we stray into sin. Are you sure that you want a sword?
What about keeping a good marriage, since we're keeping marriages?
You must spend more time sitting with your wife doing puzzels and talking, or you get the sword.
You must buy your wife flowers every 5th day, but not for the same reason, and not just because we say so, or you get the sword.
No the law will only allow a marriage between one man and one woman.

Next up is to fight for the end of no fault divorce.
 
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This is why a topic like marriage must be a national issue. Same with how segregation became. It is too harmful and dire to society to not keep secured in national law.

Next thing up will be allowing Islamist take child brides and Mormons back to taking many wives.
That's happening already.
Not just Islamists.

Years ago a famous actor was found to have taken a child bride. They met when she was 12. Married when she was 15 or 16, because her parents signed the marriage consent form.

Islam's child bride practice still happens here. They're marriage is in the eyes of Allah and sometimes the rite takes place in the mosque.

Morning plural marriage happens too. In face networks like A&E and Lifetime make reality series out of it.

Ever heard of the show Sister Wives?
Again, like someone here espoused possible for Christians and outside state controls, the man is married in the eyes of God and the faith. With no marriage license on file it is not legally considered bigomy.

In fairness and equality women Mormons should be able to have plural husbands too. But we know better. Lord knows, one is enough. 😆
 
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Not sure how their statement in the Mayflower compromise could not be any more clear.

Also read William Bradford's journal. You will see there heart was set on all 3 religious freedom, survival, and spreading the gospel.
I posted the entire Mayflower Compact, it says only "advance the gospel" which has nothing to say about proselytizing Indians, since they had Families they were protecting from bad teaching.
As for William Bradford, please help me by finding the date so I can see these for myself? Were these pre or post landing?
 
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No the law will only allow a marriage between one man and one woman.
So we'll not be able to remarry as widows?
Why do you want the sword of State involved in your marriage? Why not just keep your marriages to The Church that you already own? Instead of giving State a Power it never had, and shouldn't have, and doesn't need?
 
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That's happening already.
Not just Islamists.

Years ago a famous actor was found to have taken a child bride. They met when she was 12. Married when she was 15 or 16, because her parents signed the marriage consent form.

Islam's child bride practice still happens here. They're marriage is in the eyes of Allah and sometimes the rite takes place in the mosque.

Morning plural marriage happens too. In face networks like A&E and Lifetime make reality series out of it.

Ever heard of the show Sister Wives?
Again, like someone here espoused possible for Christians and outside state controls, the man is married in the eyes of God and the faith. With no marriage license on file it is not legally considered bigomy.

In fairness and equality women Mormons should be able to have plural husbands too. But we know better. Lord knows, one is enough. 😆
I would propose changing the Constitution to specify that we are a Christian Nation, and the only religion accepted is the faith of Jesus Christ as Savior, whatever that form takes. Because that's what the US Founders expected.

But then, they also expected we'd fall apart and have to get violent within a few hundred years. So I guess they weren't right on anything.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I posted the entire Mayflower Compact, it says only "advance the gospel" which has nothing to say about proselytizing Indians, since they had Families they were protecting from bad teaching.
As for William Bradford, please help me by finding the date so I can see these for myself? Were these pre or post landing?
What do you think advance the gospel means?

Off of my kindle, here is his writings...

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Roughsoul1991

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So we'll not be able to remarry as widows?
Why do you want the sword of State involved in your marriage? Why not just keep your marriages to The Church that you already own? Instead of giving State a Power it never had, and shouldn't have, and doesn't need?
What does the Bible say about remarrying? That is where you should start.

Do you believe the 1st Amendment is giving power to the state or federal government? No it takes power away.

We need marriage as defined by God protected under law for national security. Making anything else illegal. No government should have the power to enforce anything else that isn't a marriage defined by God.

I'm starting to think no one studies sociology and how important this is to civilization.