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How should we judge gay marriage?

  • Should the subject go back to the state?

  • Should it be outlawed nationwide?

  • Should it be legal as a human right?


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What does the Bible say about remarrying? That is where you should start.

Do you believe the 1st Amendment is giving power to the state or federal government? No it takes power away.

We need marriage as defined by God protected under law for national security. Making anything else illegal. No government should have the power to enforce anything else that isn't a marriage defined by God.

I'm starting to think no one studies sociology and how important this is to civilization.
The 1st speaks to Congress, not The States, and it doesn't take power away, it clarifies who keeps the power.
 

Roughsoul1991

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That's happening already.
Not just Islamists.

Years ago a famous actor was found to have taken a child bride. They met when she was 12. Married when she was 15 or 16, because her parents signed the marriage consent form.

Islam's child bride practice still happens here. They're marriage is in the eyes of Allah and sometimes the rite takes place in the mosque.

Morning plural marriage happens too. In face networks like A&E and Lifetime make reality series out of it.

Ever heard of the show Sister Wives?
Again, like someone here espoused possible for Christians and outside state controls, the man is married in the eyes of God and the faith. With no marriage license on file it is not legally considered bigomy.

In fairness and equality women Mormons should be able to have plural husbands too. But we know better. Lord knows, one is enough. 😆
Yeah I posted a post earlier showing a lot of this is allowed in some states. But what I keep referring to is, if we do not take a strong national stance on marriage, we will be contributing the further decline of the society.
 

Roughsoul1991

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The 1st speaks to Congress, not The States, and it doesn't take power away, it clarifies who keeps the power.
So since you are not in Congress, you do not have religious freedom? Or the right to petition? Etc.

It does take power away because these are God given rights. They are given by God and government does not have the authority to take the away. So it strips them of power over those areas.
 
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So since you are not in Congress, you do not have religious freedom? Or the right to petition? Etc.

It does take power away because these are God given rights. They are given by God and government does not have the authority to take the away. So it strips them of power over those areas.
It doesn't take power, because the Constitution is a limited form document that outlines which powers Congress has. It never gave the power of Religion to Congress, the 1st clarifies that such power is not in Congess's purview.

You seem to be starting from an idea that if it's not restrained in the Constitution, then Congress has full authority.

The States never believed this when they signed on, or they wouldn't have signed. Nor should you.
The Constitution tells the powers of the Federal Government, and that's all the powers they have.

That these have been expanded in the face of the 9th and 10th is Treason.
 
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Yeah I posted a post earlier showing a lot of this is allowed in some states. But what I keep referring to is, if we do not take a strong national stance on marriage, we will be contributing the further decline of the society.
As fast as the decline is rolling down hill I doubt it's going to be chocked anytime soon.

Morality is a phobia ya know.
Prosecuting federal immigration laws against law breakers illegally caravaning across our border daily by the hundreds is Xenophobic.

Down is up, up is down.
Never quite imagined the new world order quite like that.

Morality is immoral, faith is intolerance and bigotry, stupidity is worthy of elected office.

No, never saw that coming.

Boys menustrate, our gender is elective and all in our head.

What a world.
 
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The 1st speaks to Congress, not The States, and it doesn't take power away, it clarifies who keeps the power.
The U.S Constitution insured the people's rights and limits governments to that end.
 
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As fast as the decline is rolling down hill I doubt it's going to be chocked anytime soon.

Morality is a phobia ya know.
Prosecuting federal immigration laws against law breakers illegally caravaning across our border daily by the hundreds is Xenophobic.

Down is up, up is down.
Never quite imagined the new world order quite like that.

Morality is immoral, faith is intolerance and bigotry, stupidity is worthy of elected office.

No, never saw that coming.

Boys menustrate, our gender is elective and all in our head.

What a world.
Train the Entire Militia, as we have ordered Congress to do on our behalf in Article 1, Section 8. At no point did we give Congress perimssion to Amend without Article 5. Instead, Congress has Falsified OUR WORDS TO THEM, telling us that Congress can Redefine the Word Militia as they see fit.

Not only is this Gross Violation of the Order of the Constitution, and Article 5, it is a Gross Violation of the 2nd Amendment's claim that Congress Shall not Infringe Militia or our Arms to the cause of.

The US is non-existent at this point. Train the Entire Militia, so we may advance something better than Washington DC and the unFederal Reserve have given us.
 
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The U.S Constitution insured the people's rights and limits governments to that end.
Yes, in some places. But the goal of the document was the Founding and Restraint of Institutional Government. Each Federal Branch was assigned Limited Duties. That's the Text of Most of the Constitution. The Amendments were placed because some genius in the States realized that, despite best intentions, people forget.
So now we forget to read even the Amendments.

The 9th, and 10th, Clarifies, again, what the 1st Words of the 1st Line Of The Constitution already told you.
 
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Train the Entire Militia, as we have ordered Congress to do on our behalf in Article 1, Section 8. At no point did we give Congress perimssion to Amend without Article 5. Instead, Congress has Falsified OUR WORDS TO THEM, telling us that Congress can Redefine the Word Militia as they see fit.

Not only is this Gross Violation of the Order of the Constitution, and Article 5, it is a Gross Violation of the 2nd Amendment's claim that Congress Shall not Infringe Militia or our Arms to the cause of.

The US is non-existent at this point. Train the Entire Militia, so we may advance something better than Washington DC and the unFederal Reserve have given us.
Antifa, right?
It's not just QAnon that teaches you that rhetoric. Am I right?
Or do you instead teach them?
 
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Or do you instead teach them?
Good heavens, are you still hoping to pigeon hole? Or is defamation your only form of communications?
lol
Yes, I probably teach them. Because it's what the US Founders told us to do. There is no unlawful Militia, there is only Militia.
There may be unlawful use of force, and there certainly is Treason afoot.

Three major violations of the Order of the Constitution, ongoing, all of which unlawfully attempt to limit The People to being Subject to DC.
 
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As fast as the decline is rolling down hill I doubt it's going to be chocked anytime soon.

Morality is a phobia ya know.
Prosecuting federal immigration laws against law breakers illegally caravaning across our border daily by the hundreds is Xenophobic.

Down is up, up is down.
Never quite imagined the new world order quite like that.

Morality is immoral, faith is intolerance and bigotry, stupidity is worthy of elected office.

No, never saw that coming.

Boys menustrate, our gender is elective and all in our head.

What a world.
Or do you instead teach them?
You just literally said the US is going to fail, and then you said you wanted to be reliant on the Mercenaries that DC is going to hire for you.
Please, Consider Your Thoughts. They are double minded.
 
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Good heavens, are you still hoping to pigeon hole? Or is defamation your only form of communications?
lol
Yes, I probably teach them. Because it's what the US Founders told us to do. There is no unlawful Militia, there is only Militia.
There may be unlawful use of force, and there certainly is Treason afoot.

Three major violations of the Order of the Constitution, ongoing, all of which unlawfully attempt to limit The People to being Subject to DC.
Pigeonhole? No. Defamation, not even close.

Question? Yes. That's what people do to clarify someone's rhetoric when it sounds like that of Antifa and QAnon.
 

PennEd

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No one wants to answer that. If the court can just redefine legal definitions to fit their opinion and thus changing the law then why not pedo equality? Or marry their dog? Or polygamy? Or maybe we should let that woman marry her model airplane she so loves.

Woman who is sexually attracted to planes wants to marry toy Boeing
https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/woman-sexually-attracted-to-planes-wants-to-marry-toy-boeing/

Woman Marries Her Dog. Cassandra White of Northern Indiana has petitioned her local government to allow her to marry her dog Brutus. White has sent several letters to gay rights activists to help her lead the march to stop discrimination against her and those like her who should get to "marry whomever they want".

White has also received support from ‘Freedom To Marry Our Pets Society” who plan to organize a protest in Washington to change definition of marriage to include pets

https://www.dividedstates.com/india...s-to-rally-support-from-gay-rights-activists/


The Supreme Court in New Jersey, United States of America, has granted two siblings, a brother and sister right to become husband and wife. The couple has been in Court for ten years and the case was finally ruled in their favour. In a 5-to-4 ruling, five judges unanimously granted the appeal by 41 years old James Banes and his biological sister Victoria Banes who is 38 years of age

https://www.naijaloaded.com.ng/content/man-can-now-marry-his-blood-sister-as-wife-supreme-court

New Yorker who wants to marry their adult biological CHILD sues to overturn laws banning incest, saying it is a matter of 'individual autonomy'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-CHILD-sues-overturn-laws-banning-incest.html

Some extreme cases of child marriage in the U.S. are: In 2010 in Idaho, a 65-year-old man married a 17-year-old girl; In Alabama, a 74-year-old man married a 14-year-old girl; In Tennessee, three 10-year-old girls married men ages 24, 25, and 31, respectively. The youngest boy to marry was an 11-year-old who married a 27-year-old woman

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-that-allow-child-marriage

Equality for all I suppose. Let us become like the Romans and collapse like them as well.
Agree.

But if can’t even get those who call themselves Christians to advocate for marriage being between a man and woman, or somehow find a constitutional right to homosexual marriage, we’re in deep trouble.
 
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Pigeonhole? No. Defamation, not even close.

Question? Yes. That's what people do to clarify someone's rhetoric when it sounds like that of Antifa and QAnon.
You're a DC Mass Media regurgitator? A D&R machine here to help a bureaucrat get more slush-fund from the redistricting of Portland?
Just clarifying, when it sounds like you're trying to authorize the backroom theft of land by violence.
 
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Agree.

But if can’t even get those who call themselves Christians to advocate for marriage being between a man and woman, or somehow find a constitutional right to homosexual marriage, we’re in deep trouble.
I'll advocate all day long that marriage is between a man and a woman, and it should start when the man and woman start having sexual relations, whatever age that is.
 
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Just a head's up, Portland Antifa was sleeping on ground owned by Prosper Portland, and being fed and watered by the same.
 
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You just literally said the US is going to fail, and then you said you wanted to be reliant on the Mercenaries that DC is going to hire for you.
Please, Consider Your Thoughts. They are double minded.
🤔Please consider I never said any such thing.

And lastly, please find a dictionary and look up the word, Literally.

Kids today bandy that word around with no clue what they're saying.

I watched a A-List Hollywood actor talk about her experience on her latest film.

She said when reading the script and considering if she'd audition that her brain literally exploded!




It didn't help that she was also blond.😂
 
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🤔Please consider I never said any such thing.

And lastly, please find a dictionary and look up the word, Literally.

Kids today bandy that word around with no clue what they're saying.

I watched a A-List Hollywood actor talk about her experience on her latest film.

She said when reading the script and considering if she'd audition that her brain literally exploded!




It didn't help that she was also blond.😂
Yo
 
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You said the US is going to fail. Or are all those things success?
🤔Please consider I never said any such thing.
Bluesproverb" said:
As fast as the decline is rolling down hill I doubt it's going to be chocked anytime soon.

Just want to clarify, you're good with the down hill slide then?
Or, do you think a nation that would allow this, even Preach It From Washington DC, will leave you Safe With Its Mercenaries?

Go on, you're not seeing your own outcome.
 

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America is and always has been a Christian nation.
I'm sorry but that's not the case, I wish it were. Maybe in terms of numbers Christianity has had the majority; but officially the US isn't a "Christian nation." It's a nation of any and all religions that promote peace and liberty. That's not me saying that but the Constitution.

The US was founded on "Biblical principles," but Biblical principles alone don't make anything Christian. Islam, Buddhism or any other religion can follow moral principles found in the Bible, that does make them Christian. There's nothing in official US policy or in the Constitution that states: "These USA are a Christian nation." That was the intention of many of the founders, but it's not the way it worked out.