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colalella2891

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Paul may have been married do to his station as a Pharisee as that is one of their cardinal rules. Many theologians think the Paul is a widower and his wife died. No one has posited if Paul had kids or if he even had the chance to. In 1 Cor 7 paul makes a number of exhortations regarding marriage and sex. it is just after talking about sex that Paul in verse 7 that he says he wishes we could all remain as he is. As he is in regards to what? That husbands and wives should not deny each other except for a time then come back together.

Some also think Paul is actually married but has not divorced his wife because under the new covenant, unless she commits adultery, he can not. But as an apostle he must travel and do to the danger he would not take her with him but instead leave her to take care of his families tent making business. But this is all based on how the passage reads and there is no direct evidence to support Paul being single, married or widowed only that he does not have a wife with him as Peter did.

When the Lord does not want a married couple to have kids there are two ways He stops it. One he makes them barren. Cruel to us from our point of view but as God, well within his perview. The other is a gift of the Holy Spirit called Voluntary Celibacy. In this case the Holy Spirit helps a person abstain from sex altogether.

In the case of the OP, neither is the case. They simply don't want kids. Well I don't want to pay taxes but the bible says I must. I don't want to work but the bible says if I don't then I don't eat and I am not ready to give up food. The bible also says be fruitful and multiply. Now where does it say, unless you don't want to. It doesn't, not in one single place. There is a reason God gave us, his creation this gift and it is meant to be used.

Yes kids are a real responsibility. But what a responsibility. They bring such joy to the world and with them, great gifts. Of course culture says wait or don;t have them at all. Use your money on yourself. Hook up don't marry. Its ok to be gay and practice it. Culture says all these things. God says be fruitful and multiply. I pray they change their mind and bring a child or five into the world. Who knows what gifts God will give them. Sure they could have the anti-Christ but thats not likely. They could have the next billy graham or the next einstien or the next mother teresa. Or they could have a son or daughter that simply grows up loves the Lord and lives a good and godly life and quietly impacts his or her own little slice of the world.

Again, from the point if view of a family that has been denied it appears to be a selfish reason not to have kids. Thats the way I see and the way I call it. Note I have not directly interacted with the OP or anyone else that thinks that not having kids is a good thing. All I have done is show the other side. I didn't have to read that post but I did. I didn't have to respond but I did. You have the same choice. Feel free to skip my posts if you don't agree with them. You won't hurt my feelings in the slightest. What i have done I have done because I believe with my whole heart that the greatest thing we can do is create the next generation and raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, that they may one day past that onto their children. We are stone tossed into a pond but you never know the effect the ripples have. I really don't think the best plan is to stop throwing the stones in which is what happens when there are less children.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH
Well, I can't say I agree with you. But I do respect your opinion. Everyone has a right to theirs after all.
 
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BishopSEH

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bishop has JESUS CHRIST cleansed your heart and forgiven you? Does that collar hold you closer to God than me? Must traditions be followed to be saved? What blind eyes many hold to the simple gospel message......work for it, work for it, bishop nothing you will do will be enough!!!! Include mary on the side if you like for help
river_stone, you seem to be working under the assumption that I am a Roman Bishop. You do know what it means to "assume" don't you? Either you have never read any other post I have made you you never made the connection, but that's your problem. I have known the Lord's Salvation since I was 14 so as of today i have been walking with the Lord for 26 years.

Would you care to point out where I said anything about works? Anything at all to justify your assault? While you at it, would you point out any Roman doctrine I forwarded for which you based your assumption? Or, is it just the black shirt and white collar that offends you? You are aware that several non-Roman denomination also wear a collar right?

Water1944, river-stone's post is an excellent example of a derailment. It is also an excellent example of a bigoted personal attack which was baseless from its foundation. Please when you get a chance, go back and read the post you thought was a derailment and then river_stone's post. You will see a clear difference if you are a discerning as some of your other posts have lead me to believe you are.

In truth I would normally address such an attack privately but chose to openly make a correction so that the difference could be seen. While in my post I disagreed with the reasoning and premise for the OP's claim it was still on topic. river_stone's post had nothing to do with the topic in any way, shape or form.

To Bluezote, clearly we disagree over the choice not to have children. I hope I made my reasoning clear for my position and though I am in opposition to your choice I can only hope that reading why I disagree makes you think. Even if it doesn't change your choice, there is value to an opposing view when articulated properly, which I believe I have done. That doesn't mean that i hold you in contempt or condemn you for your choice, it means I see thing from a difference point of view.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH
 
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Water1944

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Bishop, I knew river_stone's post was a derailment, and I also knew it was an attack. In truth I was speechless. Thank you for the post info. Thank you for sharing as you do in a calm Christlike manner. I agree in the value of opposing views. God blessings on you.