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violakat

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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
 
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Ugly

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I'm sure you'll get a mix of yes and no's. But as a guy who has struggled in that area, i'd say it does distract me. Seems to me that attitude among many Christian women is just wear whats popular, don't stop to think if its appropriate. Or even worse, many women think its their right to wear anything they want and only the man is responsible. Despite that the bible says we should not be a stumbling block, it does not say 'its not your problem, its theirs'.
I do try to control my thoughts and lusts, but when a Christian woman shows up in tight or revealing clothes, i'm going to stumble.
 
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hislastwalk

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Doesn't affect me. Honestly, what I find "sexy" is a clean look. No cleavage. A nice dress shirt/pants. o_O
 
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It doesn't bother me at all, in fact they could come in totally naked and I wouldn't mind. I don't know why everyone so fussy about the human body.
 
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IamachildofGOD

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In the Church of God in the 70's, wearing anything but a dress for the women were a sin. If that dress didn't go all the way up the neck and all the way to the ankles or floor, then it was a sin. Now pants and short dresses and cleavage is a norm. I will say this, it doesn't matter what a women wears, it could be turned into something sexual. The bible says do all things in moderation. I was raised in the church of God and that is all I know. If anyone man or woman uses moderation in dressing, it lessons the opportunity for sinful thoughts to enter the mind. To Johnxxxxx, totally naked body leads to lust which may lead to other sin. If you said you wouldn't mind it the female came to church total naked, that is lust there. Not judging just reading your statement. When i am setting in church and worshipping God, I don't need to see someones body parts hanging out. I say keep it modest. minimum cleavage and dress or skirts at least down to the knees and pants that isn't tight.
 

acesneverwin

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Honestly, that sounds pretty conservative by today standards and honestly, I wouldn't even think anything of it.
 

shemaiah

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Lol... Its seems teens are not affected by such, judging from what has been written. But Paul told us not to do things that may cause others to stumble, and that is the perspective that is lacking even among the Pastor's wives and worship teams. The desire to look nice/cool in front of the church has surpassed that of presentable to all and being a good example. God bless
 
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CanadaNZ

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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
Think about something that strongly catches your attention. . .chocolate(for many women this is something that does)? Now imagine you are in a room with some of your favourite chocolates, but you are not allowed to look at them at all. Those who do are handed out some form of punishment. For guys a provocatively dressed woman is like that. We don't look because we are horny perverts, but because a womans boyd is like candy to us. Dress modestly as God teaches in Paul's letters and you are more likely to get the right kind of attention.
 

Dude653

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I see it quite often in my church. Some women wear clothing that is not appropiate for the house of God. If you boobies are poppin out of your dress, dont wear that to church. It is a stumbling block for many men..myself included. My pastor has adressed the issue on numerous occasions, but they still continue to disobey the man of God
 
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violakat

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Thanks for all your comments. I guess for me, this past week really hit me in the head, as a visiting churches praise team, the one woman was, IMO, dressed inappropriately, and I had to struggle to keep from judging her big time. So this incident started me to wonder if I, as a woman, was just overreacting or if you men really are bothered by that.
 
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Jordache

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Also, many teens don't quite have the life experience and wisdom to know how far back to draw the line. This is a touchy subject for me for many reasons, so please do not take offense. It is not my intention to offend. There is a line. There are considerations.
As me as an adult: I was raised by a mother who was shaming and made me feel like I just wanted to walk around naked. For the most part, I was a big improvement on your average teen. But to my mother, everything was too much if it covered less than a habit. My mom comes from a long line of body shame.
I have thought long and hard about this subject. I have researched. I have asked both good men and women. I believe a lot of women approach modesty out of fear. I don't need anymore fear in my life. Many lay out a list of things that you can and cannot wear. No two piece bathing suits, no short shorts which could mean anything, no v-neck, no short skirts (again anything could apply here), etc. I feel like the subscript it "cover up because you're body is dangerous if you don't." Two stories: my mom still constantly nitpicks at EVERY outfit. I try to respect her wishes, but I don't feel like I need to dress like a nun to cater to her body fears. I have gotten to a point, now at 27, where she isn't allowed to comment on my wardrobe. I have plenty of friends who I've given that freedom to.
There is a woman at my church who takes me shopping every year. I haven't been able to turn her down since "you drive me
insane!" doesn't really seem to be an appropriate excuse. She is constantly telling me my clothes are to tight. But her definition of tight, is fitting. I'm sorry I look like a woman. I won't be made to look like a boy. I had a pair of long shorts that I could pull off without unzipping. To
her they were too tight. I had a two piece bathing suit on with a long t-shirt over it. She made me put on
sorts even though there was a girl with a string bikini on in her pool too.
I read an article once am it comforts that we really need to balance our "blame" out here. Women have a responsibility to drive conservatively. They don't have to make sure to hide every curve. There should be no shame in being a woman or looking like one. Men have the responsibility to divert their attention. Both sexes have the responsibility to realize that a girls "immodesty" isn't always intentional. You address it like someone with their zipper down. You assume first that the didnt know. This, of course, is in the case of what I would consider mild slip-ups. Just like most people don't realize when their zippers down, we don't always realize we're hanging out, see through, too short, etc. I've been told by men they are afraid to ask a girl to fix themselves because girls get creeped out. I can understand and I'm sorry for all the girls who made you feel like a pervert for trying to be honorable. Let me
tell you. Girls should be honored that any guy who give you the hike-up-your-shirt gesture. Sure it's embarrassing, but he's also saying, "I care about you enough that
will honor you by helping myself and others avoid temptation that would dishonor you.". In short, they tell you because they believe you deserve to be honored or else
they'd keep staring. Guys, it is an honoring thing to say (not literally) "cover them puppies up!".
Girls are not off the hook. Those oops moments should be foreseen, but it's a
growing process.
But sometimes those oops moments are just an excuse for a guy to think, "she's TRYING to stumble me! I give up.". I read an article once and it was disturbing. It was a study done on Christian men about what was considered tempting and what was just a stumbling block. Some of the results were ridiculous. Men were literally telling women, "your body is a stumbling block so you cannot be normal.". 1) ascending and descending stairs. 2) running or most forms of exercise. 3). Stretching (like for a yawn). These were some of the most insulting. I get it why these could be stumbling blocks, but going this route will leave us wearing burkas and sitting cross legged all day. Men have a responsibility to honor women by looking away. There is grace for you just as there is grace for us. So, in that case, girls really need to learn to graciously tell their guy friends to roll up their tongues and stop drooling. I believe women shame men a lot and also that men maybe just as unintentional in theirs as we are in our. But perhaps, we need to honor men on this area just as we should be honored by them. Forewarn them I you're going down a street with an exceptional provocative billboard. Tell them when the scene has passed. I don't know guys. What can we do?
As a teacher: There has always been a no spaghetti strap rule in schools here. I taught 5th grade, but when a first grader walked by with a
spaghetti strap shirt on they didn't understand why there was a double standard. In schools especially, there should be no double standard. It doesn't if I fill it out and they don't. The rule should be across the board. But many teachers don't realize this. If I have to tell my student, "honey, we don't allow spaghetti strap shirts at school." then you better say the same to your 6-yr-old student.

Cultural shifts:
So cultural and time also influences modesty. In Africa, there was nothing immodest about cleavage or bare breasts. They are almost completely non-sexual. But in tight Muslim countries, you have to cover everything. Years ago an ankle was too provocative. So I wonder what the standards are now. Gentlemen: Is any cleavage
too much? Is more or less worse? What about the cleavage shadow? The I had to bend over and pick something up cleavage? What about the accented waist with a belt, or a "curve hugging" cut? Whats a short dress/skirt? Do leggings/ tights underneath matter? How about leggings as pants? Shall we cover every curve? How tight is too tight? The paint on reference is subjective. Im asking these in reference to everday dress.
I've asked this of my pastor and he seems to conclude that women need not down play their curves. There is nothing shameful about being shaped like a woman. Your figure should not be treated as a danger. If a woman has some curvy sex appeal in a non cleavage baring, moderate length dress; then the guy needs to watch himself. It's nothing wrong with the woman just because she's fills her dress well.
 
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hislastwalk

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I see it quite often in my church. Some women wear clothing that is not appropiate for the house of God. If you boobies are poppin out of your dress, dont wear that to church. It is a stumbling block for many men..myself included. My pastor has adressed the issue on numerous occasions, but they still continue to disobey the man of God
The 'house of God' is just four walls, nothing more, God doesn't live there. YOUR BODY IS THE HOUSE OF GOD -_- just saying. lol
 
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I think my bigger problem is when the male worship leaders wear low-cut shirts and skinny jeans.
 
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SpaceCowboy

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Cleavage is where it gets distracting for me. That or low cut dresses and things like that. Just anything to where it's an intentional show of body that doesn't need to be shown.
 
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CanadaNZ

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I think my bigger problem is when the male worship leaders wear low-cut shirts and skinny jeans.
LOL yea that is so awkward when you have a guys on stage wearing jeans so tight you can see a bulge.
 
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In the Church of God in the 70's, wearing anything but a dress for the women were a sin. If that dress didn't go all the way up the neck and all the way to the ankles or floor, then it was a sin. Now pants and short dresses and cleavage is a norm. I will say this, it doesn't matter what a women wears, it could be turned into something sexual. The bible says do all things in moderation. I was raised in the church of God and that is all I know. If anyone man or woman uses moderation in dressing, it lessons the opportunity for sinful thoughts to enter the mind. To Johnxxxxx, totally naked body leads to lust which may lead to other sin. If you said you wouldn't mind it the female came to church total naked, that is lust there. Not judging just reading your statement. When i am setting in church and worshipping God, I don't need to see someones body parts hanging out. I say keep it modest. minimum cleavage and dress or skirts at least down to the knees and pants that isn't tight.
I disagree with your assessment, just because someone is naked near me doesn't mean I have lust for them. To say that is silly. As an example, when parents see their young children naked, do you think there's lust there? When a doctor sees a patient, is the doctor filled with lust?

I hope the answer is no, or else we live in a rather perverted world. The fact is, I don't need people to be naked for me to feel lust. And I certainly don't feel lust for everyone I see naked. If you can't look at a pair of breasts, or at a set of genitals without getting aroused 100% percent of the time, then you have an issue.
 
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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
This is a by product of the teachings coming out of the false Church system today, there is no holiness, seperation, or modesty in most churches today, plus no fear of God!
The church is la la land I am afraid, and the immodest dress of women is just the tip of the iceberg in the modern contemporary church today.
The church is supposed to be an example for the lost world to follow, not for the Church to mold itself to the world, I blame the pastors and thier watered down gospel, telling thier members they are saved in thier sins, Jesus is thier cover, and thier behavior has no effect on thier final salvation, what a shame, you have to write a thread such as this.
No one in the church today is truly repenting, as the whole city of Nineveh did, Jonah Ch3, and most are wallowing in many sins that will disqualify them from inheriting the kingdom of God.
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Those who profess Christ, and dress immodestely in any way, tempting men,(or women) should be ashamed of themselves, and need to go back and do thier first works, Rev 2-5...

A truly converted follower of Christ, wont be dressing in any way that is displeasing to God!
 

zeroturbulence

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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
I have no idea what skinny jeans are, but I don't notice a girl's figure unless its....how should I say this...very alluring! And when that happens it doesn't matter what she's wearing.
 
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Jordache

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Ritter: theres a guy on the worship team with me. He's a good looking guy, but he got a talking to. He would raise his hands really high and his hurts would lift high enough to see his boxers. The pastor told him to lower his hands or wear longer shirts. Hehehe... Cause he didn't want to see his underwear.
 
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jimsun

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Can't say I've really noticed, "VK", despite there being some good friends in the congregation & who are very attractive ladies. But then, on the whole, I go to my Abbey for one thing, which isn't to ogle them!
GB; J+