Should I Say Something

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Gideon300

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That does not nullify adultery, but actually just makes her a transgressor as well. Then having multiple sexual partners that are alive at the same time is fornication. So either way it is no good what they do here adding errors to errors. These are not just slight errors either, these are sins worthy of being put to death which ought to emphasize the seriousness with which God views these things. God hates divorce, God hates adultery, God hates whoredom, these things particularly have drawn the ire of God against the Four Shameful Generations and they will drink from the cup of the wrath of God for it in Jesus name, amen.
That does not nullify adultery, but actually just makes her a transgressor as well. Then having multiple sexual partners that are alive at the same time is fornication. So either way it is no good what they do here adding errors to errors. These are not just slight errors either, these are sins worthy of being put to death which ought to emphasize the seriousness with which God views these things. God hates divorce, God hates adultery, God hates whoredom, these things particularly have drawn the ire of God against the Four Shameful Generations and they will drink from the cup of the wrath of God for it in Jesus name, amen.
John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Perhaps you could leave the judgements to God.

1 Corinthians 15:2
What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
 
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John 3:17
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Perhaps you could leave the judgements to God.

1 Corinthians 15:2
What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
This is the condemnation. That the light was come into the world and men loved darkness rather than the light for their deeds were evil. For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither come to the light lest their deeds be reproved. But he that does TRUTH comes to the light showing that it is manifest his deeds are wrought of God.
 
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Said I first to rebuke both the man and the woman for adultery and fornication and explain to them why it is so evil and Jesus hates it and God is judging and destroying their generations for it.

However there was a contention and people would rather be like sneaky serpent Satan, therefore the next best thing said I was to go ahead with your foolish plan that seems to me to be meddling in nothing good for that man, the woman, nor even yourself, but to at least not do it in the darkness behind the man's back, but rather to tell her with him present to his face in the full light of the truth.

If you follow this devilish plan though going behind his back to target the woman for whatever your imagined ends might be, just know one day that man will find out. On that day when he learns the truth then whereas you did your deeds in secret, the Lord my God shall hear his cries and return all upon your head right out in the open.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Said I first to rebuke both the man and the woman for adultery and fornication and explain to them why it is so evil and Jesus hates it and God is judging and destroying their generations for it.

However there was a contention and people would rather be like sneaky serpent Satan, therefore the next best thing said I was to go ahead with your foolish plan that seems to me to be meddling in nothing good for that man, the woman, nor even yourself, but to at least not do it in the darkness behind the man's back, but rather to tell her with him present to his face in the full light of the truth.

If you follow this devilish plan though going behind his back to target the woman for whatever your imagined ends might be, just know one day that man will find out. On that day when he learns the truth then whereas you did your deeds in secret, the Lord my God shall hear his cries and return all upon your head right out in the open.
What you have done is amazing, here. You have taken a person who wants to help another from being abused, and you've turned him into the devil.
 
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I know a guy who is not well liked but I treat him well and he considers me a friend. He beat his wife to the point that she left him and now he is dating a girl he knew from high school some twenty years ago. Do I warn her of his abuse, yes or no?
In my experience, telling/warning his current girlfriend is a tough call. Usually, she'll just brush off your words with her thoughts of how nice he is to her. She may even think his wife 'deserved' it. She may speak to or confront him about it, telling him who gave her the information which may put you and/or your family in jeopardy. One can only pray that the assaulted woman made a police report. I, if I felt safe doing so, would continue the acquaintance with this man. Feeling somewhat valued(or 'seen') can help him. Definitely keep praying for him. He may have PTSD from his time in the service; might even be undergoing treatment; either way, you might not want to 'cross' him. If you feel led, you can always speak with the local police and express your concerns with them anonymously.
 
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What you have done is amazing, here. You have taken a person who wants to help another from being abused, and you've turned him into the devil.
No, I have said do not do like the Devil, and made plain how.. Very simply if there is not a devilish ulterior motive here, then tell her with him present to his face in the light of the truth and not in the darkness backbiting him. Though really the reason they ought not be together is it is adultery and also fornication and this is what you really ought to tell both of them so that if they do it anyhow, they shall have no excuses before the Throne of God and you partake not in their curses.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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No, I have said do not do like the Devil, and made plain how.. Very simply if there is not a devilish ulterior motive here, then tell her with him present to his face in the light of the truth and not in the darkness backbiting him. Though really the reason they ought not be together is it is adultery and also fornication and this is what you really ought to tell both of them so that if they do it anyhow, they shall have no excuses before the Throne of God and you partake not in their curses.
Do you ever, when you're . . . you know, by yourself . . . feel like you have an attitude of "It's my way or no way at all."

Do you ever tell yourself that you might be a little too abrasive? Does that ever cross your mind?
 
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Do you ever, when you're . . . you know, by yourself . . . feel like you have an attitude of "It's my way or no way at all."

Do you ever tell yourself that you might be a little too abrasive? Does that ever cross your mind?
You understand that God sent dozens upon dozens of prophets, just to Israel, to warn them of how far from God's native condition they were? And that God wanted them in his fold, with fellowship with them, but he couldn't stomach the destruction sin was causing in their lives on his GOOD earth?
You understand that the blood of Jesus is the last and only Salvation to mankind, and taking it cheaply is near slapping God for allowing us to exist in the first place?
You seem to be treating God's Holiness as though his Love is like yours, as though his Forgetfulness, and limited-Presence person is like yours. (Frankly, you remind me of my impulses, but I digress)

Either we are a salt and light aiming to be sinless as Jesus, or we are ground underfoot. Jesus's ministry was most consistent in one theme, God will not Forever Brook sinners, and when he's done, if I'm the sinner and out of his will, I get destroyed.

You may think that's easy for God, but if he is Love, you're asking him to be in pain.
 
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Do you ever, when you're . . . you know, by yourself . . . feel like you have an attitude of "It's my way or no way at all."

Do you ever tell yourself that you might be a little too abrasive? Does that ever cross your mind?
No. Feelings and sensuality and the earthly wisdom is all of the Devil. God only cares about Truth.
 
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No. Feelings and sensuality and the earthly wisdom is all of the Devil. God only cares about Truth.
God's first physical miracle, besides not smiting Adam and Eve, after finding them in sin, was taking animals and making them skins to be covered. A comfort?
 
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God's first physical miracle, besides not smiting Adam and Eve, after finding them in sin, was taking animals and making them skins to be covered. A comfort?
Then is it better indeed to, as I said at the first, in front of the faces of the man and the woman, and not behind backs in secrets and flatteries, tell them the truth about fornication and adultery and why it is forbidden and why they can not take more lovers and affairs.
 

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My feelings play no part in this. I’ve tried to intervene in the past with other couples only to have the women side with their man. Then there was another time when I did not intervene and the guy eventually broke his wife’s jaw.

Rather than titling the thread, Should I Say Something, I should have titled it, How Should This Situation Be Handled?
Some women are magnets for abusive men... It's in their naivety, general ignorance of human nature and their more submissive nature - either that or they possibly had abusive father's and can't recognize the cyclical nature of abuse in order to break the cycle.

In order to warn any woman away from a potentially abusive suitor you often have to fix what's broken in her..

Broken people find each other, and the abused are often just as broken as those who abuse them. Ignorance can be cured, but there's often more than simple ignorance at play.

So, as far as giving warning to a girl in potential danger your best chance is just telling her that you heard he was physically violent toward his ex, and if she was determined to date him in spite of the potential danger, just know she can get ahold of you and you'll see to it she gets to a shelter for women.

That's the best you can do, and the note of sincerity will show and likely make her think twice. PTSD in combat veterans is very real, I'm sure he's doing his best to deal but it's no joke and takes time.

I actually know a combat veteran who served in Iraq, known him for a long time now and when we first met because I was middle eastern Muslim (at the time) I set off every PTSD trigger for him. We ended up becoming friends and it actually helped him with his PTSD....

It's really not an easy thing.
 
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That's the best you can do,
Possibly, but possibly it's the worst. Teaching people to be good based on their own flesh is teaching them that they can be good without Jesus. What would make you want to do that?
 

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Possibly, but possibly it's the worst. Teaching people to be good based on their own flesh is teaching them that they can be good without Jesus. What would make you want to do that?
What was it in what I said that led you to believe I'm advocating "teaching people to be 'good' without Jesus?"

Just curious... Because as Jesus said there is none good save (except) God...
 
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What was it in what I said that led you to believe I'm advocating "teaching people to be 'good' without Jesus?"

Just curious... Because as Jesus said there is none good save (except) God...
The entire comment has no mention of Jesus, and more importantly, it's a conviction I had to give myself, apparently, since I realized how much I've been doing exactly that for years as soon as I sent it.
But I think the comment stands generally for everyone. We tend to try to talk alot to solve things, in this "enlightened progressive" age. We should be teaching the Gospel, and praying for God to teach, before we go anywhere near our own experiences or fleshly knowledge as examples,