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This is off topic. The topic is does a woman have to submit if she feels her husband is not living up to her standards for God.
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Marriage is not a question of submission but of love between two persons.

Love is 100% biblical.

Love does not dominate but is friendly,

Love cares for the spouse and makes sacrifices,

Love is charming, pleasant and beautiful!
 
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You are not understanding Jesus' words. In mt. He is saying. That if a man puts away his wife for fornication the following does not apply..... if i were to say.....all kids who's plates are cleaned unless you give your food to the dog gets ice cream after dinner. Is that saying it applies to those who fed thr dog there hot dog?
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I understand his words well enough. Look in Luke, same story.

Yes, in your hypothetical the saying applies to both those which gave their dogs their food and those that did not.

I say these things for your own sake, but not only for your own sake, but for the sake of those that would attend your church. Do not make the church into a brothel.

Is your topic about submission and you will not even submit? What is easier; to be as a pimp or to abide as you are now?
 
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I do submit. My pastor has set me down from ministry until my house is in order. I have set down. You are neither God or my pastor. I think it will be years before i think about marriage but if God convicts me at that time then i will obey. But my pastor interprets mathew 9 the same way i do. Does the ones who fed the dog get ice cream?
 
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you and your pastor have been tricked. sorry, no ice cream for you.
 
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Jesus Christ was a descendant of an adulterous murderous union. God uses all things for good.
 
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If the child feeds the dog the ice cream is not his and the benefit of it does not apply to him. Just like the word except in mt. Which strengthens deuteronomy which there has been no comment on.
 
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I do submit. My pastor has set me down from ministry until my house is in order. I have set down. You are neither God or my pastor. I think it will be years before i think about marriage but if God convicts me at that time then i will obey. But my pastor interprets mathew 9 the same way i do. Does the ones who fed the dog get ice cream?
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Then it is good not for you to marry, but to abide. No, they will not get ice cream. Just the same, those that divorced shall not remarry lest they be adulterers.
 
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If the child feeds the dog the ice cream is not his and the benefit of it does not apply to him. Just like the word except in mt. Which strengthens deuteronomy which there has been no comment on.
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As for Deuteronomy, Moses put that in there because of the hardness of your hearts. Yea and if you maketh the church a synagogue of Satan, then by the law of Moses you must be put to death. For what needs ye be subject then to death if you can be subject instead to life?
 
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As for Deuteronomy, Moses put that in there because of the hardness of your hearts. Yea and if you maketh the church a synagogue of Satan, then by the law of Moses you must be put to death. For what needs ye be subject then to death if you can be subject instead to life?
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Moses put that in there eh? I thought all scriptured is God breathed as men were inspired by his spirit. That's a curious little doctrine you've added there.
 
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Moses put that in there eh? I thought all scriptured is God breathed as men were inspired by his spirit. That's a curious little doctrine you've added there.
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Matthew 19:7-8

[SUP]7 [/SUP]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
 
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Typing by phone is challenging. I will take the time to use an example with a negative since scripture is giving a negative........if i were to say whoever robbed this store, except mike who was forced to do so by the others, will be prosecuted and go to jail..... just as mike is not held to the negative outcome because of the empathy of the store owner so neither is the man who's wife committed adultery subject to the negative outcome due to the grace of Jesus Christ Himself who said he was exempted from the negative outcome that others would receive from the frivilous putting away of there wives. I really hope this gets it acrossed if not i give up.
 
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Matthew 19:7-8

[SUP]7 [/SUP]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
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well I guess thee goteth me thereth.
 
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Typing by phone is challenging. I will take the time to use an example with a negative since scripture is giving a negative........if i were to say whoever robbed this store, except mike who was forced to do so by the others, will be prosecuted and go to jail..... just as mike is not held to the negative outcome because of the empathy of the store owner so neither is the man who's wife committed adultery subject to the negative outcome due to the grace of Jesus Christ Himself who said he was exempted from the negative outcome that others would receive from the frivilous putting away of there wives. I really hope this gets it acrossed if not i give up.
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Why would it be a negative to abide unmarried after divorce? That is even the better to abide unmarried, even as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7.
 
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btw, just in case you really mean that you do and will and want to believe Jesus Himself,

He spoke of allowing divorce only if one of the ((engaged)) (i.e. betrothed) , the groom or the bride,

was found guilty of adultery (or other ugly word meaning they broke faith) BEFORE THE WEDDING.

that's the difference in knowing just the western corrupt english version

and the true hebrew Jewish version....

besides which you have apparently kept denying the plain english in earlier posts which also
prevent
someone who wants to do what is right from doing the wrong that you propose.

so, take it all to yahweh (God) in prayer and leave it there. He might let you know TODAY if you

harden not your heart as they did in the rebellion, or HE MIGHT let you know IN HIS PERFECT TIME, whenever
that may be, IF YOU TRUST HIM, or even if you don't --- HE CAN STILL LET YOU KNOW. UP TO HIM ENTIRELY.
 
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This mererly says you can not put her away for hardness of heart. Moses never authorized that read deut. 24:1-4. Moses said for her uncleaness she can be put away. In deut. It even says both can remarry just like Christ says in mt.
 
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I give up.
 
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This mererly says you can not put her away for hardness of heart. Moses never authorized that read deut. 24:1-4. Moses said for her uncleaness she can be put away. In deut. It even says both can remarry just like Christ says in mt.
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You are a twisting one. It says in Matthew, Luke, and 1 Corinthians you can divorce for adultery. No one has argued that you do not have grounds for divorce.

It says in Matthew, Luke, and 1 Corinthians you should not remarry. It is also written you being a minister are held to a higher standard (James 3). Therefore says I what I have to you for your own sake, but not only for your own sake, but for those under your charge.
 
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