The Catholic church is not christian

[Ugly]

Alright, lets put this simply.

It matters not which church you attend, it is your faith, and belief which decides whether you are christian or not.

Churches, It matters not which denomination. Looking for the faults in any one denomination is the same as trying to remove a speck of dust from someone else's eye while walking with a tree growing out of our own eye.

To sum my beliefs up.
The Church is meant for fellowship, not to control our faith, or our beliefs. but to spend time worshipping together. Each person has a different way of worshipping, hence the vast variety of churches out there today, as many worshippers, do not follow the catholic way of worship, or the lutheran way of worship.



Stop being prejudice, and start being accepting.

Calling people out for holding beliefs which go against the bible is not 'prejudice', its one of the things we are warned to be wary of and to call out.
This whole 'accept everyone and everything' attitude is not founded on biblical principals, but is rather a worldly mindset. I will not accept a worldly mindset, or a belief system that goes against the bible, just to pacify others.

 

[Nest]

How do we reach catholics? Heres the problem with converting catholics and any other "religion" we actack there beliefs we Condemn them. How are we ever going to win the knee deep ones if we condemn them? We are called to love our neighbor. The way to convert them is by Continuely pointing them to Jesus, Keeping the focus on Jesus, Who he is and what he did for us, his holyness, pointing out adam and how we are born into sin. The nesseciaty for him once the truth enters there heart then the father will rest in there heart and he will take anything away that is not from him. If we we keep on looking to Jesus and his Love for us theyll forget of what they been thought and God will renew there precious minds.

 

[JerryJones]

Good thread. Roman Catholicism teaches many heresies and many damnable ones too. Quite unfortunate. However it does seem quite plausible that there are those who attend RC Churches who do not necessarily adhere to all of their heresies, but still attend for whatever strange reasons. A reformed Church is much better.

 

[Ugly]

Have to say, Jerry, love the avatar, hahaha. I saw it in another thread and almost thought you were Catholic, and just happened to look closer. Cracked me up.

 

[OFM]

did it ever occur 2 you that catholics are christians, came after just study church history,do not condem the person even if u do not agree with thier spiritual christian church faith tradition.

 

[JerryJones]

Have to say, Jerry, love the avatar, hahaha. I saw it in another thread and almost thought you were Catholic, and just happened to look closer. Cracked me up.

Hahaha yup, I enjoyed it greatly when I first found it, rather clever.

 

[OFM]

it is so nice to make fun of A Godly Christian Man our mother woul be proud of u i am sure,.....

 

[Tommy4Christ]

That is a fair statement to make, but it can also apply to most churches today, who teach many reformed doctrines of men, such as original sin(A pagan teaching) Imputation, penal substtitution, election, total depravity,and the main culprit, OSAS! plus many more, test all things hold fast to what is true!

Has Jesus received you?​

Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.

Here is the most important question mankind should be asking themselves as they come to Christ, and receive Him into their hearts. The cry from the pulpits today is have you received Jesus? And we all need Him, so if you received Him you are safe, and all is well!

But IF you take the whole council of God that can clearly define what it means to receive Him you would soon see just how backwards the church is today!

Here is a great example right from the word of God that clearly shows in a very simple yet compassionate way, how one is to receive Jesus.

The question at hand isn't IF you received Him, or accepted Him, or we all need Him, etc., NO the resounding question is, Has Jesus accepted you?

Now before you conjecture in your mind the not saved by works straw man, or the faith alone cop out, open your heart to this simple message!

Luk 7:38 And she stood behind Him, weeping at His feet, and she began to wash His feet with tears and wipe them with the hair of her head. And she ardently kissed His feet and anointed them with the ointment.

NOW this woman, a clear sinner, will show you once and for all, what it means to be received by Jesus!

She came to Him broken, contrite, humble, and utterly at the end of her rope! Her pride and spirit were totally broken, as she was clearly under the strong conviction of the spirit of God, convicting her of sin, righteousness, and the judgment to come, she didn't mess around and wait for Jesus to come away from the Pharisees. But boldly approached the Son OF God, assuming nothing, hoping and praying He would grant her mercy for her sins!

She took a big risk as she came into the domain of the self righteous leaders of the day, totally ignored their evil stares and words of condemnation, and fell at Jesus feet, through a crisis of conviction, yielding to His great love, mercy and compassion, knowing well, the only way she could receive His great mercy and forgiveness was to humble herself in real repentance, FIRST, because she was born with the ability to choose to repent and follow Jesus or not, or follow her flesh, making excuses why she didn't have to obey Him.

Now what this woman did, and I am sure like some of us, had many sins of the flesh against her, is the epitome of selflessness, and sacrifice demanded by God to be reconciled unto Him!

Her actions were true, from the heart, and her motives were pure and proven by her deeds! She then proceeded to do something that the Pharisees were astounded by, and had a very difficult time accepting, she fell at the masters feet in repentance, washed His feet with her tears of godly sorrow, dried His feet with her hair, then proceeded to anoint His feet with precious oils!

This brought on anger and resentment from the Pharisees, but to the Son OF God, it was a sweet aroma, and He poured out His love and mercy on her, she was broken, cleared of all wrong doing before Him by what she did at the feet of Christ!

She was freely forgiven, and now useful to the master, cleared and pure, now ready to receive the implanted word with meekness and humility!

So when you hear the message, we do nothing to receive mercy and forgiveness, or you just need to receive Jesus, or we all need Him, then think about this woman, who was full of sin, and what she did, to receive Jesus.

Jesus accepted her NOT as a sinner saved by grace, still wallowing in her vile sins, but as a humble, repentant soul, who forsook all to follow Him!

Let the question then be asked, have you fallen at the feet of the master in repentance and faith! Forsaking your vile sins against Him, pouring out your emotions and tears on His dusty feet, then wiping them dry with your hair?

Do you think if this message was preached far and wide from all the pulpits today, as well as all the seminars, crusades, music concerts etc., it would be accepted and received?

Jesus made it clear how we are to receive Him, and it’s not about how much we need Him, or if we have trusted in His provision, but if we have come to faith on His conditions set fourth in the word of God!

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
Tommy

 

[jimmydiggs]

I don't know how much you read other people's post's Tommy, but I would actually spend more time reading your posts if you: 1)downsized the font, 2) didn't put huge spaces in between sentences, and 3) used mostly proper structure in your paragraphs.

You hurt your own purposes by not communicating in the language of the people you are trying to reach. It's sort of like going to France and speaking Swahili.

 

[OFM]

I don't know how much you read other people's post's Tommy, but I would actually spend more time reading your posts if you: 1)downsized the font, 2) didn't put huge spaces in between sentences, and 3) used mostly proper structure in your paragraphs.

You hurt your own purposes by not communicating in the language of the people you are trying to reach. It's sort of like going to France and speaking Swahili.

Tommy you over state and say things way too forceful and very much alot sharp,and people do not want to read a 2 mile commentary share more gentle-ly remember that sometimes,LESS IS MORE...........

 

[jimmydiggs]

did it ever occur 2 you that catholics are christians, came after just study church history,do not condem the person even if u do not agree with thier spiritual christian church faith tradition.

Roman Catholicism is Anti-Christian. It is a combination of Paganism and Christian teachings.

The way Roman Catholics approach their so-called Saints is eerily similar to the way Pagans refer to their multiple deities.

 

[OFM]

no it is Not the Lord Jesus Christ Founded it on Holy Thursday check Christian Church History,.o.k.

 

[RickShafer]

I have to post this for truth's sake.

The catholic church was the first INCORPORATED (Inc.) church.
The emperor after Constantine made it the state religion of Rome.
Soon after a blending of other religions entered in, - (not into the true body of Christ but into the incorporation).
That's where the Tammuz 't' comes from. It was an amulet worn by the Chaldean high priests
who worshiped Simaramus - (Astarta, the queen of heaven), and Nimrod(who they believed to be reincarnated as Tammuz).
When 'christianity' was incorporated by the state, all other religions just when and got a license claiming that
they too were christians in some form or fashion.
This is where the 'T' became a symbol for the 'stauron' - stake, pole; - (commonly called the cross).
Also this is where the 40 days of lint came from - (read Ezekiel 8:13-15, about the women weeping for Tammuz)
Also this is where the deification Mary came about, using her as a symbol of the queen of heaven.

The catholic church wasn't the original one....it was just the first incorporated by the state.

 

[RickShafer]

After having said that I know there are saved catholics.
So don't get down on anybody for their church.
Unless it's the church of satan.

 

[FormerPooky]

Everyone should take a good look at what Martin Luther, unwittingly the founder of the Lutheran Church has to say about the Catholic Church, inparticular, the Pope.

Catholic Foods

Pope Corn
Pope Sickles
Soda Pope

 

[nw2u]

How do we reach catholics? Heres the problem with converting catholics and any other "religion" we actack there beliefs we Condemn them. How are we ever going to win the knee deep ones if we condemn them? We are called to love our neighbor. The way to convert them is by Continuely pointing them to Jesus, Keeping the focus on Jesus, Who he is and what he did for us, his holyness, pointing out adam and how we are born into sin. The nesseciaty for him once the truth enters there heart then the father will rest in there heart and he will take anything away that is not from him. If we we keep on looking to Jesus and his Love for us theyll forget of what they been thought and God will renew there precious minds.

That is a fair statement to make, but it can also apply to most churches today, who teach many reformed doctrines of men, such as original sin(A pagan teaching) Imputation, penal substtitution, election, total depravity,and the main culprit, OSAS! plus many more, test all things hold fast to what is true!


I see a contradiction here. Am I wrong?

 

[blink69nix0]

I just want to comment about Roman catholic. I read and understand about the discussion.First of all I ask our HOLY GOD to help me in writing these words that I may write according to his will and not against each other.Although there are certain things that I do not know but i just want to express my faith and believe when it comes to him.

I am a Roman Catholic (eversince i was a child) I was taught about GOD. Roman Catholic Church was founded by GOD (It was St Peter the 1st Pope).We know that even His Son JESUS Christ was being tested 3 times. So it's very common that every churches have a lot of issues. However Roman Catholic church is the main target,misconception,teaching because of so many images and other that against from our ALMIGHTY.I must say i am a true believer of our HOLY GOD not just a christian because I know him even more and I have so many restrictions in life and I'm aware of my actions because OUR HOLY Father hate sins but love sinners who repent and avoid to commit sin.

I commented many discussion particularly about this matter. When I was young my, heart and soul is against in worshiping many images.I'm fortunate that GOD forbid me to do that coz he knows my whole being that I only worship him. I go to church not for priest but for my father who is in heaven. And i know if they did something that against from GOD. I would never follow them coz they are all humans they sins just like me that's why i can't judge them. GOD knows what's inside our heart and soul.If we just examine ourselves today whether we are for GOD or for world. We can detect and acknowledge who we are . I know where I stand coz I can't live without our GOD. No matter what, I know i will not regret for the rest of my days here on Earth . He is my everything...

 

[jimmydiggs]

no it is Not the Lord Jesus Christ Founded it on Holy Thursday check Christian Church History,.o.k.

Whether the Catholic church started as a Christian institution early in it's life or not is irrelevant at this point. The Catholic church is opposed to Christianity. It teaches lies and takes captive those who hear them.

 

[onlinebuddy]

I have to post this for truth's sake.

The catholic church was the first INCORPORATED (Inc.) church.
The emperor after Constantine made it the state religion of Rome.
Soon after a blending of other religions entered in, - (not into the true body of Christ but into the incorporation).
That's where the Tammuz 't' comes from. It was an amulet worn by the Chaldean high priests
who worshiped Simaramus - (Astarta, the queen of heaven), and Nimrod(who they believed to be reincarnated as Tammuz).
When 'christianity' was incorporated by the state, all other religions just when and got a license claiming that
they too were christians in some form or fashion.
This is where the 'T' became a symbol for the 'stauron' - stake, pole; - (commonly called the cross).
Also this is where the 40 days of lint came from - (read Ezekiel 8:13-15, about the women weeping for Tammuz)
Also this is where the deification Mary came about, using her as a symbol of the queen of heaven.

The catholic church wasn't the original one....it was just the first incorporated by the state.

Mother and son worship began in Ancient Babylon, and was started by Semiramis, the wife of Nimrod, the grandson of Noah. Nimrod was evil and rebelled against Yahweh God after the flood. Semiramis murdered Nimrod and became the queen of his kingdom, Babylon. She also called herself a virgin and the "queen of heaven." She had an illegitimate son, Tammuz. Since her husband was dead she announced that the birth of Tammuz was from Yahweh God, and that everyone must worship the virgin mother and the son. Tammuz murdered Semiramis and ceased her kingdom. However, the mother-child worship that started in Babylon spread all over the world at that time.

In different countries, Semiramis was known by different names. In Egypt, she was known as Isis and pictured standing on the crescent moon with 12 stars surrounding her. In Israel she was known as Ashtoreth. In India, where I live, she is known as the virgin mother Devaki, who gave birth to the Hindu god Krishna.

Ancient paintings depicted the mother and child with halos around their heads. Archaeologists have unearthed many mother-son figurines, which were the possessions of the Egyptians.

The Israelites often worshiped this mother goddess during their bondage in Egypt. They continued to be led astray even after their children entered into Canaan. Solomon's wife led him away from Yahweh God and to the worship of Ashtoreth or Asherah.

Mother-child worship was in existence even before the birth of Yeshua Jesus, and entered modern Christendom. Semiramis had built great obelisks everywhere. These obelisks made their way to various places over the earth. One such obelisk can be found in the center of St. Peter's Square, Rome, although a different meaning has been assigned to it now.

 

[onlinebuddy]

There is no perfect church on earth and there never was. Even the first century church was riddled with many false doctrines despite the presence of the Apostles themselves. Nevertheless, they were closest to the correct doctrine.
Any true church must be modeled after the first century church, where Jesus was the head.
Most churches today- traditional or reformed; Catholic or Protestant or Eastern Orthodox- do not allow Yeshua Jesus to be the head.
Therein lies the problem. When we do not allow Jesus to be the head, Satan takes charge.

We must remember what the Lord said in Mt 16:18, that HE will build His church.
The church that He builds will not be overcome by the gates of Hades.

In early stages of the true church that was instituted by Jesus, Satan began to persecute Christians. However, the more he persecuted them, the more faithful they became, and the number of believers only multiplied. (Read about how true believers were persecuted during the Dark Ages)
Since satan's Plan A (to work from outside the church) failed, he put into effect his Plan B- to work from within the church. His demons have therefore infiltrated the church, and he has introduced man-made traditions that take away our focus from the Messiah. Satan was highly effective in his Plan B.

The Catholic Church has way too many things that are not in line with the Bible. On the other hand, those churches that claim to be Bible believing and reformed are also not on the right track, because their leaders sit on pedestals and demand submission. They tell the congregations what to do. The people are made to obey the leaders rather than Christ. They are self-righteous and judgmental. Now, I have also come across churches that are exceptions to the above.

If the catholic church worships idols and saints, the Bible-believing churches worship their leaders, and their so called ministries have become their idols. I have been a part of the Catholic Church for many years, and also a part of a Bible-believing church for many years. I have observed the leaders and congregations in both churches, and I speak from what I have seen and experienced.

There will be many weeds sown among the genuine crops. Both will grow together. It is Yeshua who will finally uproot the weeds and collect the wheat for His barns.
The axe is already at the roots; so let us strive to produce good fruit!