The Invention of Homosexuality

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Tararose

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I thought that is what I was doing here. The only problem is when I say, “The sun is a star.” They say, “Don’t be ridiculous! The stars are way out there. They are small and only shine at night when the sun buries itself behind the horizon.”
There are many believers here, and most love the Lord and are convinced they are right. You must be careful because by your logic everyone of them must be right if they tick the same boxes you say you tick.

Being a genuine believer does not make us infallible when it comes to understanding and knowledge and hearing from God unfortunately. That was my point.

What you have said is not Biblically “obviously right“ - or as logical even - as you are convinced it is, Sorry you don’t like that fact but we all get things wrong except Jesus. And to most genuine believers here the fact there is something amiss in your “revelation”is blatantly obvious .

I don’t say this to offend you, and you are entitled to your view of course. But it was the dangerous belief about what you hear being Unquestioningly God that I was addressing. This is how cults start - Sincere people being sincerely wrong very often.

For the record, being “homosexual“ is scientifically proven, some men are attracted to men and not women. God did NOT design anyone this way, anymore than He designed people to be attracted to children, or animals, or dead people!!!! Sorry to be so graphic but we know such people exist, and all are equally perverted Unnatural desires, but the desire for perverted sex had nothing to do with God.

Homosexual desires can be something out of a persons control, it may stem from Emotional Or mental damage abuse, It can be a hormonal disorder etc, we all have sinful desires and it is not by Gods design. They come from the evil liars in our hearts as scripture makes clear. But the acting out of any of it is sinful and perverted and a choice that if practiced, leads us to hell.

God does not tempt people to sin. He does not create weakness that will lead us to sin. We are born with sin nature’s because we are fallen from Gods design, and that tempts is to sin.

Lastly It is written that sex makes the two one... ir is sacred in humans because we alone are made in the image of God. We are not to be led by pure animal instinct. Sex on humans os glorious as it creates more people - more “images of God” and also we are the temple of the Holy Spirit and sexual sin somehow defiles us Physically, and spiritually, as no other sin can. The bible says this - you can disagree but it is scripture you disagree with.
 

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How many laws did God give the beasts of the earth? Question for you? If sex is as you say what logic can you apply to Jacob not only marrying two women but also having sex with their hand maids. Not only was it acceptable to God but He made this family the twelve tribes of Israel. Maybe it isn’t the Bible that teaches what you think. It is interpretation of personal experience. Marriages weren’t some miraculous spiritual bonding unified by the sacred sacrament of sex. It was a legal arrangement, and it still is. If I gave you a million US dollars it is valueless except for kindling unless someone wants to trade you something tangible for it. Value is perceived. The bond created by sex is based the value placed on the sex. This is what makes that bond strong and weak and why it is so important to agree on its value. Prostitution exists because a man and a woman can agree on a dollar amount for a sexual act. This is the perceived value. It’s not a magical bond that transpires. The magical bond only happens when two people purpose in their hearts to bond and live for each other. You don’t even need sex. We are one with Christ in this same arrangement of oneness. Sex is for procreation. We procreate out of sex and the family thrives from oneness, working together.

The value we place on the sex is psychological. If I am in a sexless marriage because she can’t have sex should the bond be void? If it’s because she won’t have sex is that different? Sex is still the same variable. Perception is different. Perception is psychological.
Sex between humans is sacred. It is the only sexual act on earth that produces an offspring “made in the image of God”. The union is sacred, and is the only union that replicated Christ and the church.

An unavoidably sexless marriage can be full of love but it is not the original design for humanity. It is part of the result of the fall. It says nothing bad of the married couple but it is a disabled marriage in that sense, just as a physical limitation of the original human design is not all it should be in the fleshly sense. It does not mean the afflicted cannot be whole in Christ, or is a sinner, just that that is how they personally suffer in this word.

Never compare humans to beasts, it is very wrong to compare animal
Procreation to humans.
 
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Sex between humans is sacred. It is the only sexual act on earth that produces an offspring “made in the image of God”. The union is sacred, and is the only union that replicated Christ and the church.

An unavoidably sexless marriage can be full of love but it is not the original design for humanity. It is part of the result of the fall. It says nothing bad of the married couple but it is a disabled marriage in that sense, just as a physical limitation of the original human design is not all it should be in the fleshly sense. It does not mean the afflicted cannot be whole in Christ, or is a sinner, just that that is how they personally suffer in this word.

Never compare humans to beasts, it is very wrong to compare animal
Procreation to humans.
I appreciate your response. From the beginning of this thread the whole point was to state that not everyone is born equal. There is a clear hatred from some towards homosexuals like just one day they woke up in their teens and thought, hey, I’m going to switch it up a bit. It’s not that simple. To see homosexuals as some blatant affront to Christianity isn’t the whole picture. I understand speaking against centuries of brainwashing wouldn’t be readily accepted. I’ve never stated one personal opinion. Each and every argument is scripture and science based. The problem is that people don’t want to connect ALL of the dots. I’ve never suggested homosexuality isn’t a clear sin. I only suggest to better understand the sinner. That’s it, everyone can go back to sleep now.
 
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What you have said is not Biblically “obviously right“ - or as logical even - as you are convinced it is, Sorry you don’t like that fact but we all get things wrong except Jesus. And to most genuine believers here the fact there is something amiss in your “revelation”is blatantly obvious.
I reread your post and this stood out. Think on this for a second. If the Son of God came performing miracles and fulfilling prophecy couldn’t convince the religious minded people of the day that He heard from God, what chance do I have? If they were wrong so far as to kill Him, what are the chances you may be?
 
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I reread your post and this stood out. Think on this for a second. If the Son of God came performing miracles and fulfilling prophecy couldn’t convince the religious minded people of the day that He heard from God, what chance do I have? If they were wrong so far as to kill Him, what are the chances you may be?
Jesus came fulfilling the scriptures, the pharisees had their own traditions, and rules. So you are creating a false dichotomy to support your heresy, and false prophesy. You set yourself against the scriptures, and compare yourself to Jesus, you are a blasphemer as well.
Scripture clearly says why homosexuality has proliferated on the earth. Not because some population theory; because men/humanity refuses to honour God, Read your Bible.
At first I did not want to think that you were a willing participant in satanic deception. Now that you have defended your position multiple times it is clear you are a willing messenger of the demonic. This is very sad. Please repent.
 

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I reread your post and this stood out. Think on this for a second. If the Son of God came performing miracles and fulfilling prophecy couldn’t convince the religious minded people of the day that He heard from God, what chance do I have? If they were wrong so far as to kill Him, what are the chances you may be?
You are talking to a group of Christians, many of whom are born again as you say you are. It is a totally different scenario. You are not Jesus. WE Combined are the body of Christ - even Peter had to give account to elders and apostles in acts 15, and matters were judged by all, not one.
What you have said because some disagree with you, any one of us could say to make you out To be the Pharisee. It’s bad logic. It’s bad bible. It’s not good practice as a member of the body of Christ to set yourself above others who are sealed with the spirit. You are not easy to be entreated. This wisdom therefore is not of God.
 
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There is no record of Siamese twins being born. I guess that they too are mythical? Why are you so adamant that I am wrong? What logic must you adopt to accept that hermaphrodites don’t exist? If your genitalia that determines your gender (sex) is less than optimal (retarded) then why is sexual retardation not a plausibility?
Because the Bible calls it sin!! End of story.



This is why the Lord will judge us and not each other. I’m not saying homosexuality is good and that people are born desiring their own gender. All I stated were hard facts. Some dudes are born with less than optimal functioning testicles. Some girls are born producing less estrogen. This leaves them testosterone dominant. It is society that shapes these deficiencies into sexuality and presents the choice of homosexuality. Gender is genetic, sexuality is psychological. I didn’t say it was good or acceptable. I get that it’s a choice and a sin.
Then don't act like it's something they can't help. Less functioning doesn't make you gay or lesbian. If it's genetic then it's not their fault. The Bible doesn't say that. The Bible says it's a choice.



I also get that their choice condemns them. To say that males and females who walk the road of homosexuality were born exactly the same as those who walk the road of heterosexuality is intellectually dishonest.
No, now you're saying they are different, you're denying what the Bible says. They are not born different. They are exactly like everyone else. It is a choice that is made. Granted if someone grew up with gay parents, or believing there was nothing wrong with it, they could fall into bondage more easily. But gay/trans people are born the exact same way.


It’s a hard fact in some cases. When I asked God about it, He told me it was population control.
Nope, God's not going to tell you something different than what is in His Word. If population control was the issue there'd be nothing wrong with abortion. Over 50 million abortions since Roe. No, what you're saying is God made them that way and it's not true.




It’s natural for heavily populated areas to have young men have highly reduced testosterone. This is what we are seeing today. Poor nutrition, and stress totally causes testosterone deficiencies. God said this is normal, so less babies are born. The abomination is what society tells us. That it is our sexual responsibility to ourselves to find a person to explore every pleasure that stimulates us. As designed sex is for procreation with the benefit of pleasure. It wasn’t designed for pleasure with the benefit of procreation. Everything I stated is true and logical.
It may be logical to you, but it certainly isn't true. You're way off in left field.
 
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I appreciate your response. From the beginning of this thread the whole point was to state that not everyone is born equal.
No, no, no,no!! You are calling God a liar! Everyone is born equal. God doesn't create some people straight and some people gay or "retarded" sexually. No!! God had a purpose and a plan for mankind. Homosexuality is a choice, it can be helped, it is not something you are born with. Stop calling God a liar!!


There is a clear hatred from some towards homosexuals
You're lying again!! No one has said anything of the sort here. We've said it's a sin choice, it's bondage and people need to be delivered from it. You're making false accusations against people.


... like just one day they woke up in their teens and thought, hey, I’m going to switch it up a bit. It’s not that simple. To see homosexuals as some blatant affront to Christianity isn’t the whole picture.
It's an affront to God who created us. You can keep denying it and excusing it. It's a choice.




I understand speaking against centuries of brainwashing wouldn’t be readily accepted. I’ve never stated one personal opinion. Each and every argument is scripture and science based. The problem is that people don’t want to connect ALL of the dots. I’ve never suggested homosexuality isn’t a clear sin. I only suggest to better understand the sinner. That’s it, everyone can go back to sleep now.
Nothing you have stated is science, and it certainly isn't Scripture. You say it's a sin choice, then you say they can't help it because they are retarded and when people pull you up on your utter nonsense you say we hate gay people. You haven't the foggiest clue what you are talking about. You're rambling and trying to be right when you're utterly wrong. There are no dots, you're wrong. Just flat out wrong.
 
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Being a genuine believer does not make us infallible when it comes to understanding and knowledge and hearing from God unfortunately. That was my point.
Again, so many do not grasp this FACT. Hence the deception and personal interpretations that do not line up with scripture.

when a person believes they have some special knowledge (from God via the Holy Spirit or perhaps direct from God like Moses and oh yeah there are people who believe that) you just about cannot make any headway and they will eventually go down in flames and possibly blame God for violating the special relationship they perceived that really was a deceiving spirit

sounds like you know that already
 
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Lastly It is written that sex makes the two one... ir is sacred in humans because we alone are made in the image of God. We are not to be led by pure animal instinct. Sex on humans os glorious as it creates more people - more “images of God” and also we are the temple of the Holy Spirit and sexual sin somehow defiles us Physically, and spiritually, as no other sin can. The bible says this - you can disagree but it is scripture you disagree with.

the op does not seem to grasp this. and this, (your quote above) is the basis for understanding sex as God made it

he is trying to persuade from a humanistic and anthropological understanding.
 
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It’s not good practice as a member of the body of Christ to set yourself above others who are sealed with the spirit. You are not easy to be entreated. This wisdom therefore is not of God.
you have said some very conclusive and wise things and the above is one of them

best posts to date IMO
 
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hungry ~ you keep changing what you are saying. your op is point blank in your face and then you try to soften it up by massaging it in your responses to some people

I don't suppose you see yourself doing that though :cautious:
 
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Being born gay isn’t the same as being born sexually retarded.
okay stop, just STOP right there with the terms.
As a mama bear who deals with someone who is clinically diagnosed "retarded" DAILY , let me just say that your poor use of terms is REALLY in need of a check.
First of all the term "retarded" is no longer in use.......
it is now "intellectual disability" (I'll leave it at that.......shall we start a new thread to discuss this one more?)

and second:
"SEXUALLY RETARDED" is NOT even a real term......
google it.......
what comes up is all links about the mentally disabled and the sexual issues surrounding them.
 

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okay stop, just STOP right there with the terms.
As a mama bear who deals with someone who is clinically diagnosed "retarded" DAILY , let me just say that your poor use of terms is REALLY in need of a check.
First of all the term "retarded" is no longer in use.......
it is now "intellectual disability" (I'll leave it at that.......shall we start a new thread to discuss this one more?)

and second:
"SEXUALLY RETARDED" is NOT even a real term......
google it.......
what comes up is all links about the mentally disabled and the sexual issues surrounding them.
Sorry you were subjected to that by the op, but he’s got some insane and I’d even say blasphemous views.

He thinks God spoke to him and told him the reason God made homosexuals is because the planet is overpopulated.
 
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When I asked God about it, He told me it was population control.
God said this is normal,
okay, see this is one of those times a lower case "g" is called for........
what god are you listening to???
Because everything you are trying to reason this through IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.
 
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I chose the term sexually retarded.
there's the answer.
are you hoping that throwing this term, that YOU chose and coined up, around will somehow "catch on" and become some new socially accepted terminology??
Something that people can walk around in their blatant sin and say "I'm sexually retarded so it's OKAY"?????
 

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There is no record of Siamese twins being born. I guess that they too are mythical? Why are you so adamant that I am wrong? What logic must you adopt to accept that hermaphrodites don’t exist? If your genitalia that determines your gender (sex) is less than optimal (retarded) then why is sexual retardation not a plausibility? This is why the Lord will judge us and not each other. I’m not saying homosexuality is good and that people are born desiring their own gender. All I stated were hard facts. Some dudes are born with less than optimal functioning testicles. Some girls are born producing less estrogen. This leaves them testosterone dominant. It is society that shapes these deficiencies into sexuality and presents the choice of homosexuality. Gender is genetic, sexuality is psychological. I didn’t say it was good or acceptable. I get that it’s a choice and a sin. I also get that their choice condemns them. To say that males and females who walk the road of homosexuality were born exactly the same as those who walk the road of heterosexuality is intellectually dishonest. It’s a hard fact in some cases. When I asked God about it, He told me it was population control. It’s natural for heavily populated areas to have young men have highly reduced testosterone. This is what we are seeing today. Poor nutrition, and stress totally causes testosterone deficiencies. God said this is normal, so less babies are born. The abomination is what society tells us. That it is our sexual responsibility to ourselves to find a person to explore every pleasure that stimulates us. As designed sex is for procreation with the benefit of pleasure. It wasn’t designed for pleasure with the benefit of procreation. Everything I stated is true and logical.
Not sure about women who are testosterone dominant being lesbians or bisexual. They can develop hormone disorders like PCOS, but most of them are.attracted to men and sexually desire men as much as healthy women are. Otherwise LGB would have be disproportionately higher amongst women with PCOS and it isn't .
 

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I don't suppose it is a huge issue though. I agree with that bible says about lgb sex acts but at end of the day we are all responsible for own walk with God and most LGB have heard what bible says before.

our job is to share the gospel the holy spirit does the rest. We plant seeds.
 

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I think social conditioning may play a part in homosexuality too but that s just my take on it.

in the 1960s a little boy named Craig "kirk" Murphy was discovered by his parents playing with dolls and his horrified mother took him to a very dodgy.psychiatrist called Dr George Feelers who said that playing with dolls will make a boy gay.

nothing hormonally.wrong with the child . Just a normal healthy kid who wasn't into boys toys and games . But the shrink kept on labelling him effeminate and tried therapies on him . The boy grew up and was so damaged by this he ended up killing himself ,

He did turn out to be gay as an adult.but I cannot help wondering whether he was acting up to that label. I mean if his parents let him play with what he wanted he likely would have grown up fine. I don't know. He was a.child.when taken to the psych,.and if course at that age he would not have a concept of sexuality or being gay or atraight.
 

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Homosexuality has been and remains to be a topic of strong opinion. One of the reasons many object to God being loving and merciful is, why would He judge people for being homosexual when they were born that way? Those who defend God’s character suggest homosexuality is a choice. That is the only way that they can justify it. However, it is clear that some dudes are just born feminine. They don’t act the same or think the same as those born masculine and vice versa for women. So, did He in fact create homosexuality? I asked Him. This is how He explained it to me.

All creation is balanced, or created to be balanced. When there is imbalance, the scales tip and something gets triggered to bring it back. Populations are controlled by food in general. There is natural thinning of the herds. Top predator populations are controlled by hormones. Alphas procreate. Females determine which suitors get to pass on their genes. When human populations increase too rapidly for an area the scales tip. First food shortages may cause the group to divide in search for greener pastures. Too many alphas may cause battles to force natural selection. When neither happens then stress and poor nutrition cause testosterone levels to drop in populations. This causes females to find less suitable men to pass on their genes, creating less birth to death ratio. Since humans glorify sex and celebrate it and allow it to define them, it becomes problematic. Rather than a dude following instincts and being celibate, he adopts the taught programming that all people will be unfulfilled if they don’t find the love of their life. God invented sex but He didn’t invent sexuality, how one defines their expression of hormonal urges. Sex is the procreative mechanism designed to perpetuate humanity so strong healthy populations survive while weak ones thin. It’s a mercy. It’s balance. When He sent Israel on military campaigns to destroy populations, it was to maintain balance. Who knows what might have happened if He didn’t? He does. Anyways, the point is this. Sexuality is psychological. It is how one formulates input, emotions and programming to compute a rationale regardless of logic. He did design a system that causes some men to be less manly and some women to be less feminine. It was man however that interpreted that input incorrectly. What?! Sex wasn’t designed to define us and make us whole? Nope. It’s not some sacred gift we give to another, making us one with them? Not exactly. Eliminate the programming from your thoughts, all of it. Allow He who designed us renew your mind. Don’t even listen to me. Listen to Him who told me.
this is not a Christian world view it is a secular world view founded in postmodernism and atheism. There is no sound science that proves one is born homosexual. The APA The American Psychological Association, which has many homosexuals of that association had no formal vote by the member or debate on the normalization of homosexuality or transgender. They made the claims politically not medically. it is a choice because the same association will not concede those who were in a homosexual preference came out of it and now with a person of the opposite sex, which has happened many many times.

Those who support transgender, fail to address the cognitive issues with those from the age of 5 to 17 on responding to emotional content instead of reality. it is the job of parents, teachers, and doctors to provide truth to the confused young person who is lacking immaturity.

This is the great crime of child abuse that is plaguing our youth by those who know better but are caught up in the political hoopla and frankly Bull manure. They are supporting an abandonment from reality, a cognitive barrier, and an emotional delemmia.


They try to pull God's love into the very abuse and justify it by calling it, love. IT is the most hateful thing to do to a person is help them believe a lie that has deceived them. Those parents, teachers, doctors, and pastors if they do not repent will answer to the living God for causing these children to fall. Please throw in those politicians too.