The Invention of Homosexuality

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this is not a Christian world view it is a secular world view founded in postmodernism and atheism. There is no sound science that proves one is born homosexual. The APA The American Psychological Association, which has many homosexuals of that association had no formal vote by the member or debate on the normalization of homosexuality or transgender. They made the claims politically not medically. it is a choice because the same association will not concede those who were in a homosexual preference came out of it and now with a person of the opposite sex, which has happened many many times.

Those who support transgender, fail to address the cognitive issues with those from the age of 5 to 17 on responding to emotional content instead of reality. it is the job of parents, teachers, and doctors to provide truth to the confused young person who is lacking immaturity.

This is the great crime of child abuse that is plaguing our youth by those who know better but are caught up in the political hoopla and frankly Bull manure. They are supporting an abandonment from reality, a cognitive barrier, and an emotional delemmia.


They try to pull God's love into the very abuse and justify it by calling it, love. IT is the most hateful thing to do to a person is help them believe a lie that has deceived them. Those parents, teachers, doctors, and pastors if they do not repent will answer to the living God for causing these children to fall. Please throw in those politicians too.
Amen!

I repeat. There may be babies born with chromosome defects but there are no gay children. None.
 

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Amen!

I repeat. There may be babies born with chromosome defects but there are no gay children. None.
I will add those who WERE Homosexual and come out of this preference are being attacked by the loving gays who claim they are wanting those to freedom of choice to love who they want to love.

They want that unless you disagree with them then they are no longer loving but violent hateful people.
 
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this is not a Christian world view it is a secular world view founded in postmodernism and atheism. There is no sound science that proves one is born homosexual. The APA The American Psychological Association, which has many homosexuals of that association had no formal vote by the member or debate on the normalization of homosexuality or transgender. They made the claims politically not medically. it is a choice because the same association will not concede those who were in a homosexual preference came out of it and now with a person of the opposite sex, which has happened many many times.

Those who support transgender, fail to address the cognitive issues with those from the age of 5 to 17 on responding to emotional content instead of reality. it is the job of parents, teachers, and doctors to provide truth to the confused young person who is lacking immaturity.

This is the great crime of child abuse that is plaguing our youth by those who know better but are caught up in the political hoopla and frankly Bull manure. They are supporting an abandonment from reality, a cognitive barrier, and an emotional delemmia.


They try to pull God's love into the very abuse and justify it by calling it, love. IT is the most hateful thing to do to a person is help them believe a lie that has deceived them. Those parents, teachers, doctors, and pastors if they do not repent will answer to the living God for causing these children to fall. Please throw in those politicians too.
I agree with your post. People aren’t born homosexual. Are people born heterosexual?
 

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I will add those who WERE Homosexual and come out of this preference are being attacked by the loving gays who claim they are wanting those to freedom of choice to love who they want to love.

They want that unless you disagree with them then they are no longer loving but violent hateful people.
Yes I was one of those same sex attracted who has been set.free
 
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Yes I was one of those same sex attracted who has been set.free
Do you think it is more accepted that girls are attracted to girls by other girls who are straight compared to gay men being accepted by straight men?
 
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Sorry you were subjected to that by the op, but he’s got some insane and I’d even say blasphemous views.

He thinks God spoke to him and told him the reason God made homosexuals is because the planet is overpopulated.
I think that qualifies as false witness. Creating a system that naturally balances itself is grounds for insanity? I didn’t say once God created homosexuals. I simply pointed out that when areas become heavily populated it’s stressful in many ways. Stress directly effects the males ability to produce testosterone. I’m not making it up. It’s a fact. During prayer and meditation the Lord explained it is by design. It is a retrobate mind and an oversexed society that interprets this wrong. Instead of telling people not everyone needs to have a family, or maybe everyone doesn’t need to get married, they tell them you don’t like girls...well you must be gay! Then the individual who isn’t accepted by manly men and feminine women, finds a place to belong.

You never answered my simple question either. Did God tell you personally to be fruitful and multiply or do you assume because He told someone else, He means you?
 

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Population control? If you carry the XY chromosome then you are a male. Doesn't matter what imbalances may be causing something we determine as feminine.
I heard an academic presentation on it. There are some individuals whose genes and outward characteristics are female who are XY. It turns out there is some other gene required to make the Y chromosome express itself in male characteristics during development. The SRY and AR need to be operating also for a child to develop as a male.

So it is a little more complicated than that.
 

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'Homosexuall' was a German word created in the 1800's used to describe those attracted to the same sex. Nowadays, 'homosexual' has attached to it a whole philosophy of gender identity, though some older folks and Christians use the term to mean 'people who do same-sex sexual acts' also. But in academia and for most young people it is used to refer to 'orientation.'

I think we have to be careful as Christians with this word 'homosexual.'

How did men lusting after other men sexually come into the world? According to the Bible, it was because of men not honoring God. They worshipped idols. See Romans 1. I think that is how it got here on the 'macro level.' That does not mean every little kid who experiences same-sex attraction has literally bowed the knee to a statue of Baal.

There is quite a bit of psychological literature that indicates that male homosexuality finds its roots in a boy not bonding with his father. Some men who do not have a father-figure, feel rejected by their fathers, or just do not bond with him erotize male attention, confusing it with sexual feelings.

A man who experiences this still is not justified in performing perverse sexual acts-- sex with other men. I am not sure if there is literature about lesbian inclinations, but that also defies the divine plan.

I have heard that testosterone has dropped over generations. Maybe our grandparents got more vitamin D, and we have had a couple of generations of people sitting behind computer screens and playing video games now. Maybe it is related to hormones in the milk, meat and cheese. It could have to do with mothers taking hormonal birth control before sons were conceived. Or maybe there is some spiritual root cause behind it. Low testosterone is no excuse for sexual immorality.

Another issue is being 'effeminate.' The KJV of I Corinthians 6 says the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God, and such were some of you... but now ye are washed... etc. The Greek word is 'malakos' and means 'soft'. It comes right after a word for 'man bedder' which looks like it might have been formed out of that verse in the LXX translation of Leviticus that says not to lie with a man as one does with a woman. So maybe 'malakos' is the subservient dude in a same sex scenario. 'Malakos' can also have to do with being 'soft' in other ways, morally weak or lacking in male 'virtue.' In Greek and Roman thought, and in the west to some extent up through the 1800's, virtue, virility, and being manly are all related concepts. Defending one's honor, duelling, etc. grew out of this way of thinking. Secular and pagan ideas of 'virtue' were not always that virtuous.
 

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I heard an academic presentation on it. There are some individuals whose genes and outward characteristics are female who are XY. It turns out there is some other gene required to make the Y chromosome express itself in male characteristics during development. The SRY and AR need to be operating also for a child to develop as a male.

So it is a little more complicated than that.
This is nothing new. The simple thing to say is it is rare and yes genetically they are still a male. Just reproduction may be dysfunctional or they may even look feminine but it doesn't change the original direction of God before something damaged the process.
 

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This is nothing new. The simple thing to say is it is rare and yes genetically they are still a male. Just reproduction may be dysfunctional or they may even look feminine but it doesn't change the original direction of God before something damaged the process.
The Bible does not say anything about genetic material or DNA. Who are you to say that having XY makes a woman male, as opposed to XY and those other genes?

These individuals are born with full female body parts and a uterus. If I am not mistaken, they are sterile but could bear children if they 'borrow an egg' with modern technology. If XY is male, what is XYY? They have male parts, too.

There is more to being male than XY. Other chromosomes have to line up, too.


Would you consider it a righteous thing for your own daughter or sister to marry someone who had XY chromosomes, but not SRY and AR genes functioning to develop the individual to be a male in the womb? This is a strong, athletic woman, with full female parts including a uterus, but no fallopian tubes? If this other person starts dressing male and identifies as male, is it sinful in your opinion if your sister or daughter dates her and marries her, calling the woman her husband?

Not is this something you are cool with or would consent to or endorse, but is it sinful?
 

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Do you believe there is a scale to which children can be designated a spot ranging from feminine to masculine regardless of biological designation?
Maybe but is homosexuality about being masculine or feminine ? Aren't a lot of what we call masculine or feminine social constructs rather than innate biological characteristics?
 

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The Bible does not say anything about genetic material or DNA. Who are you to say that having XY makes a woman male, as opposed to XY and those other genes?

These individuals are born with full female body parts and a uterus. If I am not mistaken, they are sterile but could bear children if they 'borrow an egg' with modern technology. If XY is male, what is XYY? They have male parts, too.

There is more to being male than XY. Other chromosomes have to line up, too.


Would you consider it a righteous thing for your own daughter or sister to marry someone who had XY chromosomes, but not SRY and AR genes functioning to develop the individual to be a male in the womb? This is a strong, athletic woman, with full female parts including a uterus, but no fallopian tubes? If this other person starts dressing male and identifies as male, is it sinful in your opinion if your sister or daughter dates her and marries her, calling the woman her husband?

Not is this something you are cool with or would consent to or endorse, but is it sinful?
The Bible does not say anything about genetic material or DNA. Who are you to say that having XY makes a woman male, as opposed to XY and those other genes?
The Bible also doesn't speak about dinosaurs but through science, we observe their existence. Their existence compliments God's creation in the timeline of day-age creations. The DNA is like God's fingerprint in creation and the structure of the human chromosome has been by the majority observed to be set as XX as female or XY as male. The Y doesn't change but yes on rare occasions the SRY and AR may not come online or work poorly. It doesn't change the XY blueprint.

These individuals are born with full female body parts and a uterus. If I am not mistaken, they are sterile but could bear children if they 'borrow an egg' with modern technology.
Not true. It is typically in a range of parts. Some being formed, some not, some functional, some not, and very rarely does it all function. Is it body parts that make a man or genetics? If a man is born without a penis or loses it to cancer, does that make him less of a man? Some men have hormone imbalances that create breasts on men. Does that mean they can now wear dresses and change their name from Dan to Diane?

There is more to being male than XY. Other chromosomes have to line up, too.
Agree but it still starts with the XY.

Would you consider it a righteous thing for your own daughter or sister to marry someone who had XY chromosomes, but not SRY and AR genes functioning to develop the individual to be a male in the womb? This is a strong, athletic woman, with full female parts including a uterus, but no fallopian tubes?
Biblically we are to be in 1 male and 1 female relationship. Where you say male, I say this is a strong, athletic man with full female parts including a uterus, but no fallopian tubes. They are strong and manly in other areas whereas some areas look like a female. Again extremely rare and most cases are fixed in surgery to align with their chromosome. Then they are given hormones to fix the imbalance. Possibly even plastic surgery to recreate missing body parts.

If this other person starts dressing male and identifies as male, is it sinful in your opinion if your sister or daughter dates her and marries her, calling the woman her husband?
It is sinful if two women marry or date. Not a woman and a man even if the man looks feminine.

We must remember in the fall of mankind we experience the problems that this brought forth. A man whose brain has been wired to be sociopathic does not make them immune to the justice of order or natural design. They still must resist any immoral behavior that doesn't fit within God's design. Individuals who are intersex should be in Biblical counseling, prayer, and guidance so that they are properly honoring God with their bodies.
 

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Maybe but is homosexuality about being masculine or feminine ? Aren't a lot of what we call masculine or feminine social constructs rather than innate biological characteristics?
Doesn't matter about social constructs. Let us remember what does the Bible call masculine and feminine? Even their language can teach us from being a gendered language. 🙂
 
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'Homosexuall' was a German word created in the 1800's used to describe those attracted to the same sex. Nowadays, 'homosexual' has attached to it a whole philosophy of gender identity, though some older folks and Christians use the term to mean 'people who do same-sex sexual acts' also. But in academia and for most young people it is used to refer to 'orientation.'

I think we have to be careful as Christians with this word 'homosexual.'

How did men lusting after other men sexually come into the world? According to the Bible, it was because of men not honoring God. They worshipped idols. See Romans 1. I think that is how it got here on the 'macro level.' That does not mean every little kid who experiences same-sex attraction has literally bowed the knee to a statue of Baal.

There is quite a bit of psychological literature that indicates that male homosexuality finds its roots in a boy not bonding with his father. Some men who do not have a father-figure, feel rejected by their fathers, or just do not bond with him erotize male attention, confusing it with sexual feelings.

A man who experiences this still is not justified in performing perverse sexual acts-- sex with other men. I am not sure if there is literature about lesbian inclinations, but that also defies the divine plan.

I have heard that testosterone has dropped over generations. Maybe our grandparents got more vitamin D, and we have had a couple of generations of people sitting behind computer screens and playing video games now. Maybe it is related to hormones in the milk, meat and cheese. It could have to do with mothers taking hormonal birth control before sons were conceived. Or maybe there is some spiritual root cause behind it. Low testosterone is no excuse for sexual immorality.

Another issue is being 'effeminate.' The KJV of I Corinthians 6 says the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God, and such were some of you... but now ye are washed... etc. The Greek word is 'malakos' and means 'soft'. It comes right after a word for 'man bedder' which looks like it might have been formed out of that verse in the LXX translation of Leviticus that says not to lie with a man as one does with a woman. So maybe 'malakos' is the subservient dude in a same sex scenario. 'Malakos' can also have to do with being 'soft' in other ways, morally weak or lacking in male 'virtue.' In Greek and Roman thought, and in the west to some extent up through the 1800's, virtue, virility, and being manly are all related concepts. Defending one's honor, duelling, etc. grew out of this way of thinking. Secular and pagan ideas of 'virtue' were not always that virtuous.
Thanks this was informative. When the Babylonians conquered Israel I heard they castrated all of the males. I can’t imagine this would help the T. Wasn’t being a unic not uncommon among slaves?
 
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Maybe but is homosexuality about being masculine or feminine ? Aren't a lot of what we call masculine or feminine social constructs rather than innate biological characteristics?
I think our arrogance as humans causes us to overlook the obvious. With ALL of creation God designed sex to procreate. More often than not the males display their genetic giftedness for females or duel it out with other males to determine who is the Alpha. Those selected by the females or deemed Alpha get to pass on their genes. The other males don’t go defile each other. They just accept a life of celibacy. Humans are thinkers and problem solvers. They connect dots. When there aren’t enough dots to complete a picture, they add them. Because humans abandon the way God intended, which I believe is closer to the animals, there is no end to the depth of their depravity. God didn’t seem to mind how men had multiple wives. It was like you see in nature, as designed. Sex was procreative not some mystical glue uniting males and females. The women focussed on their children for the most part. Love and affection is compatibility based and making one feel special. You don’t even need sex. Sex has been used like gold. It is so valuable because of the price placed on it. It’s a marketing thing. It’s pure and simple psychology. For the record, do you know how many laws prohibit lesbianism? None. The law forbids women to bend over in front of animals. I’m definitely going to get a couple thumbs down, an “x” and a mad face for that tidbit, no matter how accurate.
 

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Do you think it is more accepted that girls are attracted to girls by other girls who are straight compared to gay men being accepted by straight men?
I think our arrogance as humans causes us to overlook the obvious. With ALL of creation God designed sex to procreate. More often than not the males display their genetic giftedness for females or duel it out with other males to determine who is the Alpha. Those selected by the females or deemed Alpha get to pass on their genes. The other males don’t go defile each other. They just accept a life of celibacy. Humans are thinkers and problem solvers. They connect dots. When there aren’t enough dots to complete a picture, they add them. Because humans abandon the way God intended, which I believe is closer to the animals, there is no end to the depth of their depravity. God didn’t seem to mind how men had multiple wives. It was like you see in nature, as designed. Sex was procreative not some mystical glue uniting males and females. The women focussed on their children for the most part. Love and affection is compatibility based and making one feel special. You don’t even need sex. Sex has been used like gold. It is so valuable because of the price placed on it. It’s a marketing thing. It’s pure and simple psychology. For the record, do you know how many laws prohibit lesbianism? None. The law forbids women to bend over in front of animals. I’m definitely going to get a couple thumbs down, an “x” and a mad face for that tidbit, no matter how accurate.
Firstly, as unpleasant as it may be to discuss this, animals actually frequently engage in same sex mating acts. For example, I had 2 female ducks, no males present, and they would regularly act out "mating" one another to establish dominance... it is not an unusual occurance. It happens in many animal species. They live by instinct and impulse, that is it. Nothing like the way Humans were designed to live.

Secondly it is GOD ALMIGHTY who joins a man and woman together through marriage, in case you are not aware, there was no ceremony or certificate when He first did that. It was sex that created that union. It is sacred and it is spiritual as I have explained using scripture in my previous posts.

Man would like to be thought of as mere animals so that they are not hep responsible for acting on impulse rather than moral integrity and the word of God. Feel free to agree with the world, but I am very tired of reading this nonsense now. I have shown you the scriptures and yet you ignore them and persist in refusing to acknowledge man is made in the image of God, for is glory of God, as woman s the glory of man and a woman hair is her own glory. Mankind never was and still are not mere animals, however vile they may have become and however much they act like mere animals because of their corrupt and perverse natures.

2 Peter 2:12

New Living Translation
These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed.

English Standard Version
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,

Berean Study Bible
These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.

Berean Literal Bible
But these, like irrational animals, having been born as creatures of instinct for capture and destruction, blaspheming in what they are ignorant of, in their destruction also will be destroyed,

King James Bible
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
 

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The Bible also doesn't speak about dinosaurs but through science, we observe their existence. Their existence compliments God's creation in the timeline of day-age creations. The DNA is like God's fingerprint in creation and the structure of the human chromosome has been by the majority observed to be set as XX as female or XY as male. The Y doesn't change but yes on rare occasions the SRY and AR may not come online or work poorly. It doesn't change the XY blueprint.



Not true. It is typically in a range of parts. Some being formed, some not, some functional, some not, and very rarely does it all function. Is it body parts that make a man or genetics? If a man is born without a penis or loses it to cancer, does that make him less of a man? Some men have hormone imbalances that create breasts on men. Does that mean they can now wear dresses and change their name from Dan to Diane?



Agree but it still starts with the XY.



Biblically we are to be in 1 male and 1 female relationship. Where you say male, I say this is a strong, athletic man with full female parts including a uterus, but no fallopian tubes. They are strong and manly in other areas whereas some areas look like a female. Again extremely rare and most cases are fixed in surgery to align with their chromosome. Then they are given hormones to fix the imbalance. Possibly even plastic surgery to recreate missing body parts.



It is sinful if two women marry or date. Not a woman and a man even if the man looks feminine.

We must remember in the fall of mankind we experience the problems that this brought forth. A man whose brain has been wired to be sociopathic does not make them immune to the justice of order or natural design. They still must resist any immoral behavior that doesn't fit within God's design. Individuals who are intersex should be in Biblical counseling, prayer, and guidance so that they are properly honoring God with their bodies.
The Bible does not say XY makes one a man. Do you think Moses or Jesus would consider someone with female parts to be a male because she did was sterile?

It sounds like you want these women to become Trans and have a sex change operation.