The spiritual gift of teaching.

[garee]

Like all of the spiritual gifts of God they are reckoned as not seen. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Spiritual denotes unseen . Not such thing as a sign gift . Its an evil generation that seeks after the literal or what the eyes see as if the kingdom of God did come by observation and not faith .

We are lovingly commanded as a warning of those who say we do need an man seen to teach us. It would identify the antichrists as to the many that are saying we need a man /mankind to teach us . .

Do we ignore the warning?

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John2 ;18-27

With that in mind what kind of teaching as a spiritual gift? Seeing that even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the holy place as the abomination of desolation when accused of being Good Master, he gave that glory to God . A tittle reserved for the unseen father. The Good Master

Do we teach other how the bible informs us to study using the many prescriptions . Surely we cannot teach them what to believe as lording it over another man faith?

 

[Dino246]

Like all of the spiritual gifts of God they are reckoned as not seen.

Where is this stated in Scripture?

Seeing that even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the holy place as the abomination of desolation when accused of being Good Master, he gave that glory to God .

Jesus did not refuse anything; He simply stated, "No one is good except God alone". What you fail to accept is that Jesus is God incarnate.

Do we teach other how the bible informs us to study using the many prescriptions . Surely we cannot teach them what to believe as lording it over another man faith?

Correct exercise of the gift of teaching is not "lording it over another man's faith".

Your rejection of the gift of teaching does explain why you persist in posting errors that have been corrected many times.

 

[garee]

Where is this stated in Scripture?

Its in the word spiritual. The opposite of literal. The literalist makes the spiritual signified language without effect. Natural man seeks after the things seen the temporal .As in out of sight out of mind the pagan foundation.

Can't see a Spirit when it works in a person. We walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Literal. . . Free from metaphor, allegory, etc...

Jesus did not refuse anything; He simply stated, "No one is good except God alone". What you fail to accept is that Jesus is God incarnate.

Yes that what he said when accused of being the Good Master. Why call me Good master? One is Good, God

What you fail to recognize is the Son of man is a man .The Son of God, is God .

God is not a man as us never was never could be and neither is there a infallible Master as a fleshly interpreter called a Daysman . .

We walk by faith. Even Jesus as the Son of man refused to be called Good Master. A title reserved for God. Again its why Jesus said one is Good, God .

The Son of man would never stand in the Holy place of the father not seen as Good Master or Daysman an abomination of desolation. We walk by faith the unseen eternal

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman (Good Master) betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:32-33

Correct exercise of the gift of teaching is not "lording it over another man's faith".

Your rejection of the gift of teaching does explain why you persist in posting errors that have been corrected many times.

I reject that we need mankind (men or woman) to teach us. We are warned. Our gift as spiritual of teaching is different, We do the planting He does the teaching. More teaching how can we hear what He says to the churches. How do we rightly divide and seek His approval .Like without parables Christ spoke not therefore looking to the unseen things of faith and not a fleshly God who has a beginning and end .God is eternal without beginning without descent. No power according to His flesh . No such thing as holiness of corrupted flesh and blood.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Its why forgiveness was possible when Peter blasphemed the Son of Man Jesus. When he disappeared out sight . Then there was no forgiveness. we do not know Christ after the flesh as if God was a man as us.

 

[Dino246]

Its in the word spiritual. The opposite of literal. The literalist makes the spiritual signified language without effect. Natural man seeks after the things seen the temporal .As in out of sight out of mind the pagan foundation.

"Spiritual" is not the opposite of "literal" at all. Literal is the opposite of figurative; spiritual is a functional opposite of physical.

Yes that what he said when accused of being the Good Master. Why call me Good master? One is Good, God.

You must inject extra words to come to that conclusion.

What you fail to recognize is the Son of man is a man .The Son of God, is God .

What you fail to recognize is that they are one and the same. Your position on this matter is heretical.

I reject that we need mankind (men or woman) to teach us. We are warned. Our gift as spiritual of teaching is different.

Different from what? How does it operate? How is a new Christian instructed in the word? Why is it that Paul, Peter, Timothy, Priscilla, and others taught, and why is it that teaching is mentioned many times in Scripture if it is not literal person-to-person teaching?

 

[garee]

"Spiritual" is not the opposite of "literal" at all. Literal is the opposite of figurative; spiritual is a functional opposite of physical.

Yes Literal is the opposite of figurative, the signified spiritual understanding hid in parables . Revelation 1 sets the kind of language as not only inspired but signified the understanding of parables using the prescription for rightly dividing the hidden Manna. .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Why literalize the spiritual understanding?

Like for instance rather than using the prescription given in 1 Corinthians 4: 18 for rightly dividing parables the hidden manna ?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I say the key as to the temporal seen represents the unseen gospel .It opens the gates of hell identified as a bottomless pit and like a chain seen binds lying spirits for having a effect in producing a false gospel . Hand represents will again lying spirits have no form. The thousand years as it is used 6 times throughout the Bible represent a unknown. The dragon or serpent lies the father of lies.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

How would you interpret that portion if not using 2 Corinthians 4:18

 

[Dino246]

Yes Literal is the opposite of figurative, the signified spiritual understanding hid in parables . Revelation 1 sets the kind of language as not only inspired but signified the understanding of parables using the prescription for rightly dividing the hidden Manna. .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Why literalize the spiritual understanding?

Like for instance rather than using the prescription given in 1 Corinthians 4: 18 for rightly dividing parables the hidden manna ?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I say the key as to the temporal seen represents the unseen gospel .It opens the gates of hell identified as a bottomless pit and like a chain seen binds lying spirits for having a effect in producing a false gospel . Hand represents will again lying spirits have no form. The thousand years as it is used 6 times throughout the Bible represent a unknown. The dragon or serpent lies the father of lies.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

How would you interpret that portion if not using 2 Corinthians 4:18

Here's the problem: you see "figurative" and think "parable". A parable is only one of many kinds of figurative language. There are also metaphors, similes, synecdoche, and others. Every time you use "parable" when a different kind is in play, you are incorrect. Further, you seem to think that all of Scripture is figurative, when in fact much of it is not.

If you ignore the literal text, you will come up with a wacky misunderstanding, as you have done on several issues. Seek to understand the literal text first. After that, start considering the possibility of figurative implications.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

yikes

talk about a confused rendering of the 'spiritual gifts'

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes Literal is the opposite of figurative, the signified spiritual understanding hid in parables . Revelation 1 sets the kind of language as not only inspired but signified the understanding of parables using the prescription for rightly dividing the hidden Manna. .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Why literalize the spiritual understanding?

Like for instance rather than using the prescription given in 1 Corinthians 4: 18 for rightly dividing parables the hidden manna ?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

I say the key as to the temporal seen represents the unseen gospel .It opens the gates of hell identified as a bottomless pit and like a chain seen binds lying spirits for having a effect in producing a false gospel . Hand represents will again lying spirits have no form. The thousand years as it is used 6 times throughout the Bible represent a unknown. The dragon or serpent lies the father of lies.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

How would you interpret that portion if not using 2 Corinthians 4:18

A couple points. I believe the Holy Spirit very much opens our understanding of scripture, writes His law on our hearts and works in us perfecting our faith and our understanding.

But He appoints for us Pastors, and teachers too for a couple reasons I imagine. 1.) encouragement 2.) to prevent us from going astray into our own understanding which is not from God and 3.) as a point of confirmation for us.

If your understanding of scripture is only within yourself, wouldn't that make you question it more, rather than less?

Isn't it helpful when people point out potential errors you've made, or make you think more deeply on various topic matters?

Isn't it helpful to read more than one viewpoint on what scripture means, and then study scripture and pray on it for the right understanding, so that you know your not just leaning toward your own understanding? I've been finding online discussions helpful for giving me more than one viewpoint on topics so I can study and make certain of my beliefs and be certain that scripture and God is supportive of them.

I've also found it extremely helpful to learn how to articulate my beliefs through the explanation of teachers. They often articulate topics in such a nice concise manner that it makes it far easier to articulate to others when you are the one trying to share the viewpoint.

also, some things from the Holy Spirit we just believe, yet can't explain why we believe them. For me the protestant canon was one such thing. I believed it was from God, yet couldn't explain to anyone why I might accept it as Truth from God. So I had to backtrack on that somewhat, and look at the various reasons why we accept, as Christians, the current canon... just saying God told me so is not a very good argument, truth be told. We must be ready at all times to give an answer for our beliefs, and often times people need that answer in terms and by means they can understand. It certainly doesn't lessen your witness to be able to explain in a manner people can grasp.

There are all manner of reasons for having teachers and being a part of the Community of Believers and having teachers is a necessary part - even with the Holy Spirit.

We live in a fallen world, and we should be able to give an answer for our faith to that world when they ask us.

 

[garee]

A couple points. I believe the Holy Spirit very much opens our understanding of scripture, writes His law on our hearts and works in us perfecting our faith and our understanding.

But He appoints for us Pastors, and teachers too for a couple reasons I imagine. 1.) encouragement 2.) to prevent us from going astray into our own understanding which is not from God and 3.) as a point of confirmation for us.

Thanks for the reply. Like your writing style easy to understand. . I would offer

I agree he appoints teachers .But what or how can we teach is the question I would ask. . Seeing he warns of the antichrists that are here many. This is where (1 John 2:27 -28) we are warned of those say we need a man to teach us. In Mathew we are informed to call no man Teacher Master or Father on earth for one unseen in heaven is our source of faith. We can plant the seed and water the word the doctrines of God that fall like rain .But if any growth it is applied to his work working in us to both will and do his good pleasure.

We can offer as teaching tools how we believe we can hear God in order to seek his approval according to His loving command to study rightly divided . But again what are the tools needed to unlock the unseen gospel understanding so that we can seek His approval ?

In that way there must be heresies as differences of opinion . Heresy a word that mean sect . That helps me understand the kingdom of God does not come by observing the things seen, the temporal as things of corrupted men . There is a damnable heresy or sect same meaning, that does despite to His grace . like that of Catholisicim a dark place. We can judge them by offering the gospel of grace.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, "even denying" the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

If your understanding of scripture is only within yourself, wouldn't that make you question it more, rather than less?

I would hope it would cause be to think and search the scriptures. Eating to much honey can cause a person to vomit out the little we could have. He must increase us decrease.

Isn't it helpful when people point out potential errors you've made, or make you think more deeply on various topic matters?

Isn't it helpful to read more than one viewpoint on what scripture means, and then study scripture and pray on it for the right understanding, so that you know your not just leaning toward your own understanding? I've been finding online discussions helpful for giving me more than one viewpoint on topics so I can study and make certain of my beliefs and be certain that scripture and God is supportive of them.

Yes many view points like fingerprints called private interpretations or personal commentarries.

I've also found it extremely helpful to learn how to articulate my beliefs through the explanation of teachers. They often articulate topics in such a nice concise manner that it makes it far easier to articulate to others when you are the one trying to share the viewpoint.

also, some things from the Holy Spirit we just believe, yet can't explain why we believe them. For me the protestant canon was one such thing. I believed it was from God, yet couldn't explain to anyone why I might accept it as Truth from God. So I had to backtrack on that somewhat, and look at the various reasons why we accept, as Christians, the current canon... just saying God told me so is not a very good argument, truth be told. We must be ready at all times to give an answer for our beliefs, and often times people need that answer in terms and by means they can understand. It certainly doesn't lessen your witness to be able to explain in a manner people can grasp.

Yes the cannon issue the perfect . It would hopefully work to cause a person to search the scripture daily as the Holy Spirts works in us. I am reminded of the Noble Bereans . They heard the word of God spoken by Paul, being moved by the Spirit of faith in them. . they searched all things written in the law and the prophets to see if there was conflict.

There are all manner of reasons for having teachers and being a part of the Community of Believers and having teachers is a necessary part - even with the Holy Spirit.

We live in a fallen world, and we should be able to give an answer for our faith to that world when they ask us.

I agree we defend the faith that defends us (Christ's) .We put on the whole Armor of God in that way ..he is our rear guard.

The main thing is to get the gospel out so that God can perform his teaching work. . Much of its work is performed when two or three or two or three thousand gather together in the authority of his name as it is written. Two or three a family affair as a sect are required for a pastoral work in a hope of building up other families. .

I agree if not the spiritual unseen gift of teaching God would not of moved men to write down his law of faith as it is written. How could we understand God and therefore seek after Him who comforts teaches and . . . brings to our minds that which he has taught us.

 

[Dino246]

We can offer as teaching tools how we believe we can hear God in order to seek his approval according to His loving command to study rightly divided . But again what are the tools needed to unlock the unseen gospel understanding so that we can seek His approval ?

The gospel is only hidden to unbelievers. Christians are already approved in Christ. The literal text tells you that, but you resist accepting the literal text.

 

[garee]

The gospel is only hidden to unbelievers. Christians are already approved in Christ. The literal text tells you that, but you resist accepting the literal text.

Yes Hidden from the unbeliever. Revealed in parables to those who have faith. And yes the literal text according to the unseen understanding called faith . Why resist the unseen understanding rather by accepting as if it was literal ?

Literature either gives a literal understanding historallly true or one hidden in parable and sometimes both as different levels of understanding.. The a spiritual eternal unseen understanding "the gospel "of Faith the unseen. . to the same unseen.. (faith to faith)

The time is a literal time period but is used as a parable (Hebrews 9) . If we make it about the literal to what the eyes see we hid the gospel understanding as the signified tongue of God. Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Without parables using the signified language of God, Christ spoke not.

In that way the whole book of Revelation is one parable in respect to the period of time viewed from the last day, the day of the Lord the end of time. . spoken of in Revelation 1:10 . Same chapter verse one that sets up the hermeneutics needed to hear what God says to the churches throughout the book. .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, (metaphorical) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrew 10 .


What time period did the reformation restore the government of God to ?

Most do not even acknowledge the first century reformation. . . the 15th century as carbon copy. But rather make it about the things seen flesh and blood, of Jews and Gentiles making a division in the body or bride of Christ the church .

Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sentr and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1;10 King James Version (KJV) I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables un known mysteries)

All these things are done in parables and remain mysteries to those who literalize the signified. It remains a mystery that they must ignore. Like for instance. . . Where is the literal key and chain or bottom less les pit that can hold lying spirits of error. Catholic say its Peter who loosens and lock the gates of hell.

I say the signified understanding of the word "key" is the gospel . Hidden from the Catholics who believe the kingdom of God does come by overserving the temporal corrupted things of men seen making the spiritual understanding without effect. .

 

[Dino246]

Yes Hidden from the unbeliever. Revealed in parables to those who have faith. And yes the literal text according to the unseen understanding called faith . Why resist the unseen understanding rather by accepting as if it was literal ?

What I resist is your incorrect interpretations. Jesus used parables while He was on earth, but He used them when speaking publicly. In private, He explained everything in plain language to His disciples. You keep ignoring this part!

Literature either gives a literal understanding historallly true or one hidden in parable and sometimes both as different levels of understanding.. The a spiritual eternal unseen understanding "the gospel "of Faith the unseen. . to the same unseen.. (faith to faith)

No Garee, the gospel is plain truth, and is revealed in plain, literal language. The gospel is not hidden.

The time is a literal time period but is used as a parable (Hebrews 9) . If we make it about the literal to what the eyes see we hid the gospel understanding as the signified tongue of God. Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Hebrews 9 is not a parable. It's literal text that discusses spiritual meanings of certain historical events and articles.

Without parables using the signified language of God, Christ spoke not.

You continually quote this passage out of context, and misapply it, despite being corrected MANY times.

In that way the whole book of Revelation is one parable in respect to the period of time viewed from the last day, the day of the Lord the end of time. . spoken of in Revelation 1:10 . Same chapter verse one that sets up the hermeneutics needed to hear what God says to the churches throughout the book. .

The book of Revelation is not a parable either.

All these things are done in parables and remain mysteries to those who literalize the signified.

No, they remain mysteries to the unbeliever, not to "those who literalize the signified". Don't add to Scripture!

I say the signified understanding of the word "key" is the gospel .

You can say what you like, but the Bible teaches something different... in literal text.

 

[garee]

What I resist is your incorrect interpretations. Jesus used parables while He was on earth, but He used them when speaking publicly. In private, He explained everything in plain language to His disciples. You keep ignoring this part!

I have not ignored it. He reveals what you offered in his gospel . And not every thing .He hid the understanding from the apostles many times so they could learn to walk by faith . He performed that work three time in Luke 9 . And after he was finished he rebuked them and said to them . "You know not what manner of spirit you are of".

Always room the learn more. Its not a salvation issue. More of how can we hear what the Holy Spirit says to the churches (everyone) .

No Garee, the gospel is plain truth, and is revealed in plain, literal language. The gospel is not hidden.

Literal literature revealed by the law of faith. The letter of the law (God's word) , what the eyes see, literally kills .

I call the hidden spiritual meaning the gospel. . the mystery revealed. The whole bible is good news . God revealing himself as a honor to a kingdom of priest, the believers. Concealing himself from those who do not have faith. Like in the parable below

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Hebrews 9 is not a parable. It's literal text that discusses spiritual meanings of certain historical events and articles.

Literal text signified in a parable called a figure . The whole period of time is a parable in respect to a pagan foundation (out of sight out of mind). God gave over the unbelieving Jew to do that which they should not of. When the time of reformation came He took away the abomination of desolation. A King seen standing in the unseen holly place of faith . God not seen is our King. Even the Son of man Jesus refused to be crowned as King. He said only one is Good, God not seen. Call no man on earth King, Father, Prince.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation .Hebrews 9:8-10

What time period do you think the government of God was restored to as a result of the 1st century reformation?

The 15th is a carbon copy. Reformed by the same unseen authority, as in all things written in the law (Moses) and prophets (Elias) .Sola scriptura. The two witnesses of God working as one.

You continually quote this passage out of context, and misapply it, despite being corrected MANY times.

Out of whose context .Yours like the Acts 10 ?

The book of Revelation is not a parable either.

Sure it is. one parable according to the hermeneutics set forth in verse 1. looking back from the last day the day of the lord verse 10 chapter 1.

What the key represent as to the hidden understanding or the chain or a serpent etc


No, they remain mysteries to the unbeliever, not to "those who literalize the signified". Don't add to Scripture!

Searching the unseen understanding does not add.. rather its defines that which hidden and reveals the mysteries .

You can say what you like, but the Bible teaches something different... in literal text.

You can say what you like. The Bible says what it says . Its not a salvation issue. Not something we could judge one another after .

God does that kind of mocking with stammering lips to those who add their own, self edifying twist. like the tongues doctrine . Sola scriptura is a threat . They fall backward to show they are under the spirit of judgment. Yet for all that they still seek after a sign and wonders gospel. as in who needs faith just open your eyes and edify one self.

I see it more of how can we hear God not seen . You could call it an enriched understanding giving the word, life as living words that abide in us .

Parables teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal...And not as those that in hearing they hear not, and seeing they see not neither do they understand.

Matthew 13:12-14 King James Version (KJV) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

It would seem they do not use the prescriptions for rightly dividing. But simply literalize the good news and make it without effect.

No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual gift. . the eternal not seen. . yes.

Signs and wonders are for rebels. Prophecy after all manners to those who follow the prescriptions like below that the doctor of our soul orders.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We walk (understand God not seen) by faith the unseen eternal as it is wriiten