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When a relationship go awry judge yourself not just your partner in the relationship.

First, we are told not to be unequally yoked.

We should use discernment and not naive.

We should date long enough to see what he/she is like under pressure (stress).

What are they like on their worse day?

Do they love to read God's word and attend church.

What are their feeling toward the retarded (not a bad word) and the misfortunate.

What are their friends like? Judge them as well.


Lastly, where do you look for a spouse or boyfriend/girlfriend? Bars, night clubs, low places (as the song says).

Don't harp if you spouse (male or female) is a jerk, a gigolo, someone who plays the field; look at yourself as well, you may find that you set yourself up for failure.
 

JFSurvivor

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woah there. while yes what you are saying is true usually there is a lot more to a situation than meets the eye. Every situation is different.
 
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What are they like on their worse day?
some good common advice there passing through...but as for the worst day?

haha...there is probably always worse after the fact
 

Joidevivre

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When I was 17, I decided to marry a certain person because of the way he kissed me. I know - I know - how immature! But, hey, we are still married. His kisses sort of made up for the some of the other faults he had.

Maybe I should give some advice on how to tell from a kiss the characteristics of a future husband. Or maybe I was just lucky.:rolleyes:
 

presidente

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One should also find out what a potential partner's views are about divorce. If you are getting to know someone thinks that it's okay to just 'fall out of love' and therefore they should then get a divorce, and won't be persuaded otherwise, drop that person and find someone else. There is no use wasting your time or theirs.
 
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One should also find out what a potential partner's views are about divorce. If you are getting to know someone thinks that it's okay to just 'fall out of love' and therefore they should then get a divorce, and won't be persuaded otherwise, drop that person and find someone else. There is no use wasting your time or theirs.
I have first hand experience using that kind of caution doesn't work. What does work is the realization everyone is fallible, and marriage requires effort and should never be taken for granted, for tomorrow they could be walking out the door - this happened to me!
 
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When a relationship go awry judge yourself not just your partner in the relationship.

First, we are told not to be unequally yoked.

We should use discernment and not naive.

We should date long enough to see what he/she is like under pressure (stress).

What are they like on their worse day?

Do they love to read God's word and attend church.

What are their feeling toward the retarded (not a bad word) and the misfortunate.

What are their friends like? Judge them as well.


Lastly, where do you look for a spouse or boyfriend/girlfriend? Bars, night clubs, low places (as the song says).

Don't harp if you spouse (male or female) is a jerk, a gigolo, someone who plays the field; look at yourself as well, you may find that you set yourself up for failure.
I met hubby at church in a December. We became friends quickly. I wanted him to ask me on a date, the first time I met him. He finally asked me on a date on February 28th. We went out for dinner (one of the first times I wasn't expected to pay for my food -- wow! lol), saw a movie (The Muppet Movie -- which tells how long ago this was lol), played some air hockey, and then he took me home.

In the car, for the next two hours, he told me his life story, right down to his ex wife and two kids, right down to all he did wrong most of his life, (although I still think many of the things he thinks he did wrong weren't wrong.) He also told me he was looking for a wife because he was the type to need a wife. And then I spent the next hour telling him my life story, also bringing up all my failures. He walked me to my door and gave me a single kiss that was so good, I could feel it to my toes.

It was 1 AM, but I called Dad to tell him I just met the guy I would marry. (Dad didn't believe me. What's up with that? lol)

I did not clean my apartment before he came over, since I wanted him to know I'm no housekeeper. I told him, just in case he didn't catch the hints. lol He asked me nicely to clean the cat box more often. I did. After sneezing because of one of my cats, he did give me one ultimatum -- either that one cat (there were two) goes or he couldn't keep seeing me. We sat quietly for 15 minutes while I thought over that one. He waited patiently. (I had tissues. lol)

On March 5th, I told him I loved him. (I had dated before. He was the first guy I ever loved. I never told any other guy I loved him, except for Dad and maybe my brothers.) He thanked me.

On March 7th, he told me he loved me. (He thought that one over longer than I thought about the cat or him. lol)

By mid March, we were talking over what we would need for our new apartment together when we got married, when I stopped in mid sentence. Then I asked him how long it had been since we started talking about marriage. He told me a week. Then I had to ask him if he ever asked me. He told me I brought it up already, he went home, thought about it, and decided it was a good idea.

I caught a flu before going grocery shopping, didn't have a car, and really felt like I needed ginger ale and chicken soup to get better, so I called a friend who lived half an hour away to see if she knew anyone who would get me those things. (The grocery store was too much of a walk to take with that big of a flu.) She called her brother-in-law (who she was trying to get me to date, and then marry. I didn't get that until I saw her reaction and then she told me, when I told her I was engaged to future hubby. lol But her BIL and I were good friends, and he was best friends with future-hubby.) BIL was busy, so he called future-hubby. Future-hubby dropped everything, brought over more than I asked for, and then told me it hurt that I didn't call him. Our next couple of dates were me hacking up a lung while we watched movies on my little black and white 9 inch TV.

Long-haired cat had a new home, the one he could deal with laid on my lap. (We had that cat for 12 years, but hubby could take that level of allergies for me. He ended up being my cat's best friends, since there was no way that cat was ever going to get fresh seafood from my salary. lol)

We married that October. Had we done it right -- biblically -- we should have married by April, but my oldest brother was engaged for a year before I ever met hubby, so it seemed fair he should marry before me. (He did. Two weeks before us.)

Sometimes it doesn't take long to figure out if he's the one. Perfect honesty from the start avoids any surprises along the way. (He still knows I'm a lousy housekeeper. lol I appreciate that doesn't bother him.)
 
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When I was 17, I decided to marry a certain person because of the way he kissed me. I know - I know - how immature! But, hey, we are still married. His kisses sort of made up for the some of the other faults he had.

Maybe I should give some advice on how to tell from a kiss the characteristics of a future husband. Or maybe I was just lucky.:rolleyes:
Before society decided sex is part of dating, everything hung on that kiss. I was a teen when society decided sex was part of dating, so kissing wasn't an art form. (I didn't buy what society said, but I suffered from lack of good kissing because no one took it to an art form anymore.) Hubby is just old enough to have master it to an art form. That's why I could feel his kiss right down to my toes.

Get a kisser like that and the flaws seem so much less. lol

I hear ya! :D
 

tourist

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I met hubby at church in a December. We became friends quickly. I wanted him to ask me on a date, the first time I met him. He finally asked me on a date on February 28th. We went out for dinner (one of the first times I wasn't expected to pay for my food -- wow! lol), saw a movie (The Muppet Movie -- which tells how long ago this was lol), played some air hockey, and then he took me home.

In the car, for the next two hours, he told me his life story, right down to his ex wife and two kids, right down to all he did wrong most of his life, (although I still think many of the things he thinks he did wrong weren't wrong.) He also told me he was looking for a wife because he was the type to need a wife. And then I spent the next hour telling him my life story, also bringing up all my failures. He walked me to my door and gave me a single kiss that was so good, I could feel it to my toes.

It was 1 AM, but I called Dad to tell him I just met the guy I would marry. (Dad didn't believe me. What's up with that? lol)

I did not clean my apartment before he came over, since I wanted him to know I'm no housekeeper. I told him, just in case he didn't catch the hints. lol He asked me nicely to clean the cat box more often. I did. After sneezing because of one of my cats, he did give me one ultimatum -- either that one cat (there were two) goes or he couldn't keep seeing me. We sat quietly for 15 minutes while I thought over that one. He waited patiently. (I had tissues. lol)

On March 5th, I told him I loved him. (I had dated before. He was the first guy I ever loved. I never told any other guy I loved him, except for Dad and maybe my brothers.) He thanked me.

On March 7th, he told me he loved me. (He thought that one over longer than I thought about the cat or him. lol)

By mid March, we were talking over what we would need for our new apartment together when we got married, when I stopped in mid sentence. Then I asked him how long it had been since we started talking about marriage. He told me a week. Then I had to ask him if he ever asked me. He told me I brought it up already, he went home, thought about it, and decided it was a good idea.

I caught a flu before going grocery shopping, didn't have a car, and really felt like I needed ginger ale and chicken soup to get better, so I called a friend who lived half an hour away to see if she knew anyone who would get me those things. (The grocery store was too much of a walk to take with that big of a flu.) She called her brother-in-law (who she was trying to get me to date, and then marry. I didn't get that until I saw her reaction and then she told me, when I told her I was engaged to future hubby. lol But her BIL and I were good friends, and he was best friends with future-hubby.) BIL was busy, so he called future-hubby. Future-hubby dropped everything, brought over more than I asked for, and then told me it hurt that I didn't call him. Our next couple of dates were me hacking up a lung while we watched movies on my little black and white 9 inch TV.

Long-haired cat had a new home, the one he could deal with laid on my lap. (We had that cat for 12 years, but hubby could take that level of allergies for me. He ended up being my cat's best friends, since there was no way that cat was ever going to get fresh seafood from my salary. lol)

We married that October. Had we done it right -- biblically -- we should have married by April, but my oldest brother was engaged for a year before I ever met hubby, so it seemed fair he should marry before me. (He did. Two weeks before us.)

Sometimes it doesn't take long to figure out if he's the one. Perfect honesty from the start avoids any surprises along the way. (He still knows I'm a lousy housekeeper. lol I appreciate that doesn't bother him.)
I enjoyed reading this post very much.
 

presidente

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I have first hand experience using that kind of caution doesn't work. What does work is the realization everyone is fallible, and marriage requires effort and should never be taken for granted, for tomorrow they could be walking out the door - this happened to me!
It's not 100%, but if someone were dating a potential partner who says that if a marriage doesn't work out and you don't get along or don't love each other, you can just get a divorce, that's someone to break up with really fast.

The ones who claim they are serious about marriage could be dishonest about it or just not follow through on their commitments. But at least the risk is lower than someone who blatantly has divorce as an escape plan.


It's like if your potential spouse says he or she isn't a serial killer, they could be lying. But if they say they are and show you the bodies in the freezer, then you definitely know to break up.
 

presidente

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I'm married now, of course.

Here's what I think are some good criteria for Christian men. First of all, a woman needs to be a believer and sincerely love God. She has to like you, too, or at least grow to, be attracted to you. She needs to be attractive to you.

If she's sexually immoral, willing to sleep with you before marriage, forget it. Move on. If she'll sleep with you, what's to keep her from sleeping around after marriage. And you don't need the temptation to fornicate while you are dating. I was looking for a virgin and married one. Research has shown virgin women at marriage have lower divorce rates than women who have had multiple sexual partners. And also, you'd be marrying a woman who hasn't become one flesh with other men.

Jesus said he who marries her who is divorced commits adultery. And a separated woman-- it's obviously wrong to date another man's wife.

If she doesn't believe a wife should submit to her husband, don't date her. If she's disrespectful to her father, or mother for that matter, don't date her. If she has difficulty getting along with others, don't date her. If she's lazy, don't date her.

Is she loving? Would she make a good mother? Is she family-oriented? Does she not like you having close relationships with parents or siblings? Is she selfish? These are things to consider.

A lot of those things or similar things apply in reverse for a woman looking for a husband.
 
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It's not 100%, but if someone were dating a potential partner who says that if a marriage doesn't work out and you don't get along or don't love each other, you can just get a divorce, that's someone to break up with really fast.

The ones who claim they are serious about marriage could be dishonest about it or just not follow through on their commitments. But at least the risk is lower than someone who blatantly has divorce as an escape plan.


It's like if your potential spouse says he or she isn't a serial killer, they could be lying. But if they say they are and show you the bodies in the freezer, then you definitely know to break up.
Hubby was married before. When it was finally over, she got the house, the kids, the car, and everything in the house. He got the bills.

Because of that, I promised him if we didn't make it, he got everything I owned, including my/my mother's dollhouse and my past-down-through-four-generations children's teacup sets. I really like the dollhouse and the tea sets. They were my prized possessions. I was telling him, if we didn't make it, he still gets all I have to offer. Or, "there's no way we're splitting, so you're stuck with me." I think that's where a marriage starts.

Then again, I also know he and his ex both had no plans of ever slitting too, so it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

(I ended up giving the dollhouse and tea sets to my brother's first daughter four years later. I wonder if hubby ever noticed that? I just did. lol)
 
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I'm married now, of course.

Here's what I think are some good criteria for Christian men. First of all, a woman needs to be a believer and sincerely love God. She has to like you, too, or at least grow to, be attracted to you. She needs to be attractive to you.

If she's sexually immoral, willing to sleep with you before marriage, forget it. Move on. If she'll sleep with you, what's to keep her from sleeping around after marriage. And you don't need the temptation to fornicate while you are dating. I was looking for a virgin and married one. Research has shown virgin women at marriage have lower divorce rates than women who have had multiple sexual partners. And also, you'd be marrying a woman who hasn't become one flesh with other men.

Jesus said he who marries her who is divorced commits adultery. And a separated woman-- it's obviously wrong to date another man's wife.

If she doesn't believe a wife should submit to her husband, don't date her. If she's disrespectful to her father, or mother for that matter, don't date her. If she has difficulty getting along with others, don't date her. If she's lazy, don't date her.

Is she loving? Would she make a good mother? Is she family-oriented? Does she not like you having close relationships with parents or siblings? Is she selfish? These are things to consider.

A lot of those things or similar things apply in reverse for a woman looking for a husband.
As you might have noticed, I have no problems talking about me. I do have problems talking about bad things I've done. My throat is tightening just knowing what I'm about to write.

I said before that hubby and I should have married biblically. I didn't elaborate. What I meant was what Paul said to do, "If you burn, marry." Had we married biblically, we would have been married before the end of that March. Instead we did have sex before marrying. He was my first. He is my last too. He is my only.

It didn't mean I would cheat on him. It meant I couldn't wait.
 
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Since we're offering our own advice on marriage, I have some:
1. Marry the person you know, not the person he/she might become with your effort. You're getting the former. You'll never get the latter.
2. Assume you'll never get married, unless the person comes along that you can't live without. I do agree with Paul that it is better to never get married. I wouldn't have, until I met him. And, now that I have I really understand I couldn't have gotten this far without him -- literally.

And hubby's version of marrying advice:
1. You'll know what you're getting if you watch the relationship of that person with his/her parents. How he/she treats his/her parents says volumes on how you'll be treated in the long run.
2. If you fall for a type, and that type is poison to you, look for the exact opposite.

And advice we received from a couple we called our second Mom and Dad (who were married for close to 50 years):
1. God first.
2. Always dwell on the good of your spouse, especially when the bad pops out.
 
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It's not 100%, but if someone were dating a potential partner who says that if a marriage doesn't work out and you don't get along or don't love each other, you can just get a divorce, that's someone to break up with really fast.

The ones who claim they are serious about marriage could be dishonest about it or just not follow through on their commitments. But at least the risk is lower than someone who blatantly has divorce as an escape plan.


It's like if your potential spouse says he or she isn't a serial killer, they could be lying. But if they say they are and show you the bodies in the freezer, then you definitely know to break up.
Understood, but really, who would ever say that at the start of a relationship when they are in love? You can use your intuition to tell you if this woman is 'flighty' and usually if they are that type of woman, it is fairly easy to tell, that is, if you are paying attention to what is going on above the chest line!! and then yes, exit stage left!