What do you think about Narnia? is it demonic?

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G4JC

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Narnia = Cleaner version of Harry Potter. AVOID!
1) CS Lewis built the Chronicles of Narnia around medieval cosmology.
2) He and J. R. R. Tolkien would regularly meet at a pub, and after they had a few discuss ideas for imps and goblins in their books.
3) Christians can become confused about fantasy and the Bible, especially with churches which actually did sermons based entirely on the book. Claiming you could find salvation.

Materials to read:
The Narnia Code ::
Last Trumpet Ministries Online - The Witchcraft of the Narnia Chronicles
Narnia Part 1: Blending Truth and Myth

[rant]
However, I don't expect to convince anyone anymore, they are set in there ways that so-called fantasy and witchcraft are acceptable by the "Conservative Christian". Tony Campolo is stated to be one of the most "conservative" christians of our day, and we can find salvation in Harry Potter.
With junk like this getting pumped into naive christians is it any wonder we have such a massive backsliding in the church today?
If some one actually wants to stop pretending and get serious with God maybe some-day we will see a revival and witchcraft will get back out of the church, but it's doubtful. [/rant]
 
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rainacorn

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We were talking about Narnia, this is what is being aimed at children.

And many years ago i did get to see the Lion, Witch and wardrobe on tv, and i thought the idea was ridiculous, never got past the wardrobe idea. And an evil Witch scaring children. And a lion that seemed to be friendly.

I think this is just one of many deceiving ideas sold under the Christianity label.

God knows best.
So you saw a tv version of one book in a 7 part series when you were a child and now believe CS Lewis was on a crusade to trick people into worshiping Satan or something?

*sigh*

I hope the Lord brings you peace, friend.
 
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Christmusiclover7

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Why not research the Bible?

Because God himself does find these things a problem. Christians have a responsibility to recognize that there are many out there, that come to deceive.


It is full of paganism, and the idea that C. S Lewis was a great Christian writer, because of it, only proves that it is not intended for good.


When was the last time a Christian song got to number one in the charts?
Did you not just read what I pretty much said? And how is it full of paganism? Give me the facts, not just your opinion. Again the first movie/book its just a representation of Christianity. Again Aslan is symbolized as Christ. Example: In the first book/movie Aslan was crucified and on the 3rd day he rose from the dead. The wicked witch is symbolized as Satan. Example: She tempts the younger brother with delicious treats by asking him to go with her to her castle or whatever. Pretty self explanatory on how the first book/movie has a representation of Christianity in it.

So if you have problems with this specific series of books/movies then go ahead and research the bible if you like. It's pretty clear what stories in the bible are represented in the first book/movie. If you have problems with this, then that's your opinion. And if you decided to post that link, then it must have benefited you, but from what I can see from other comments it doesn't really benefit us at all cause we most likely agree with each other.
 
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CanadaNZ

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It is a FANTASY book, yes it has some Christian imagery and was written by a Christian, BUT IT IS FANTASY, if you can't accept it as such than DON'T READ IT. This is just like those idiots who go nuts over the Da Vinci Code Book, despite the fact that the author himself said IT WAS FICTION. UGH
 
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KiwiCA

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We were talking about Narnia, this is what is being aimed at children.

And many years ago i did get to see the Lion, Witch and wardrobe on tv, and i thought the idea was ridiculous, never got past the wardrobe idea. And an evil Witch scaring children. And a lion that seemed to be friendly.

I think this is just one of many deceiving ideas sold under the Christianity label.

God knows best.
Yes but if you're claiming Narnia is demonic then you have to include CS Lewis in that statement as well and in order to do that you have to look at all his material and all of his doctrine. If CS Lewis was putting demonic material in childrens literature then as a potentially demon inspired person, surely he would include that in his other teachings for adults as well.

Never having got past the wardrobe, pfft what an unimaginative person you are! And a witch scaring children is very straight forward, shes supposed to represent Satan! Throughout the story she maintains the lie that she is Queen and she first appears to one of the brothers as very beautiful and charming and concerned when she is in reality cruel and sadistic and evil and spends her entire dialogue trying to undermine Aslan (who represents Jesus) when it comes to the issue of sin and believes herself to know more than him. That sounds a whole lot like Satan to me, and children should do well to know of Satan and if CS Lewis educates children using an allegory of fantasy that every sane child understands all the more better.

Secondly, I don't know if you own a bible concordance, but do me a favor and look up the word 'Lion', and I bet my right arm the majority of the quotes will refer to Jesus because in the Old and New Testament alike, he is referred to as the prophetic Lion of Judah. I own nearly all of CS Lewis's books and he confirms that the idea of Aslan comes from those verses as the bible uses the picture of a Lion to represent sovereignty, strength and courage.

In Revelation 5:5 Jesus is referred to as both a lion and a lamb.

Below is a scene out of the 4th Narnian book called "The Voyage of the Dawn Trader" (which I bet you've not even bothered to read)



But between them and the foot of the sky there was something so white on the green grass that even with their eagles' eyes they could hardly look at it. They came on and saw that it was a Lamb.

"Come and have breakfast," said the Lamb in its sweet milky voice.

Then they noticed for the first time that there was a fire lit on the grass and fish roasting on it. They sat down and ate the fish, hungry now for the first time for many days. And it was the most delicious food they had ever tasted.

"Please, Lamb," said Lucy, "is this the way to Aslan's country?"

"Not for you," said the Lamb. "For you the door into Aslan's country is from your own world."

"What!" said Edmund. "Is there a way into Aslan's country from our world too?"

"There is a way into my country from all the worlds," said the Lamb; but as he spoke his snowy white flushed into tawny gold and his size changed and he was Aslan himself, towering above them and scattering light from his mane.

"Oh, Aslan," said Lucy. "Will you tell us how to get into your country from our world?"

"I shall be telling you all the time," said Aslan. "But I will not tell you how long or short the way will be; only that it lies across a river. But do not fear that, for I am the great Bridge Builder. And now come; I will open the door in the sky and send you to your own land."

"Please, Aslan," said Lucy. "Before we go, will you tell us when we can come back to Narnia again? Please. And oh, do, do, do make it soon." '

"Dearest," said Aslan very gently, "you and your brother will never come balk to Narnia."

"Oh, Aslan!!" said Edmund and Lucy both together in despairing voices.

"You are too old, children," said Aslan, "and you must begin to come close to your own world now."

"It isn't Narnia, you know," sobbed Lucy. "It's you. We shan't meet you there. And how can we live, never meeting you?"

"But you shall meet me, dear one," said Aslan.

"Are are you there too, Sir?" said Edmund.

"I am," said Aslan. "But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason why you were brought to Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you may know me better there."

"And is Eustace never to come back here either?" said Lucy.

"Child," said Aslan, "do you really need to know that? Come, I am opening the door in the sky." Then all in one moment there was a rending of the blue wall (like a curtain being torn) and a terrible white light from beyond the sky, and the feel of Aslan's mane and a Lion's kiss on their foreheads and then - the bark bedroom in Aunt Alberta's home in Cambridge.

Gee I hope you and your awful imagination managed to read all of that cos I want to explain that entire excerpt which in my opinion explains the whole point of the series.

In this book, Jesus (aka Aslan) is represented as both a Lion and a Lamb, so we can be rest assured Lewis did his homework on what Jesus looks like allegorically. God chose a lion and a lamb to explain Jesus to children because children instinctively know what they represent and Lewis did right to make that point in his books. EVERYONE knows that Lions are glorious and beautiful and powerful and to be respectfully feared. Children also know instinctively that a lamb is innocent, comforting, gentle and the bible says that a lamb is the best animal for sacrifice. Both the lion and the lamb represent Jesus perfectly don't you think.

Characters and events come and go in the series but the one character that is in every book and stays the same, is Aslan the lion. The first book starts with him and the last book ends with him. Just like Genesis and Revelation. With the child characters he teaches, gently rebukes, guides, comforts, encourages like a father figure who knows what is best. Every book represents a theological christian lesson that a child as young as 4 can understand better than studying say the book of Romans.

The above quote in blue, has Aslan explaining that his role for the children was just to represent and explain to them in a way that they could not understand as well in their own world. Aslan was saying that he himself is just a tool used by God to explain his father heart to the children as well as his sovereignty as well as the purpose of his son Jesus Christ.

The bible has some pretty nasty people in it, like Judas, Saul, Cain, Satan, Jezebel. But the point of the bible is Jesus.
So what if Lewis added in mythological creatures and a dash of magic, its not a sin to be a professor of Ancient Norse and Saxon mythology. Lewis couldnt undo all that study he had achieved as a non christian and just block it out, instead God used it to further his kingdom. The point of the Narnia books have and will always be all about Jesus.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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If Narnia is demonic I am in trouble as I grew up with both Narnia and tons of fairy tales, and I can assure you Norwegian, Danish and German fairy tales can be quite brutal compared to the cindarella stuff people normally think of.

There is difference between reading a book where magic occurs, and reading one that teach you how to use it....
 

loveme1

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The deception is upon you, I have gone against the majority, for I do not find comfort in the deception.

My comfort, my truth is all in God, The Bible warns , and not one of you could disprove the paganism, you dismissed it as just for entertainment.
C. S Lewis is giving you his interpretation, as Fantasy.

Why so many have defended i,t is disturbing.


Being a Christian, is standing for God, not against him.

Reading someone else's idea of the Bible , is not for God.
It is for yourself... We all know who promotes the self loving.....

Do you not know that God is a jealous God? and that this stuff angers him? He wants us to stand against everything.
Glorify him by recognizing his suffering, and reject this type of deception.
 
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Be_Evergreen

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#49
To small children, lands of fantasy are more real, but they grow up and know the difference, and may even take real life lessons from the stories, as people took lessons (and continue to do so!) from the stories of Jesus.

C.S. Lewis is a fantastic, Christian author- BUT I can agree that no one can truly say for sure what his intentions were- only he and God know that. Does that mean that we should read carefully, and make sure the book isn't sending us the wrong message? Certainly. If you've personally doubts, first pray to God about it, or go ahead and don't read these works at all.
 
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Be_Evergreen

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But no one can make that decision for you.

Personally, I appreciate CS Lewis as an author, and read into some of his stories as an entertained reader and as a Christian, who can often find a good message about God in them.
 
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Brandon777

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When I saw the first Narnia movie the scene with all the evil creatures sacrificing Alan was unsettling. That site you referred us to said that the good guys used magic. But while that's true, the story clearly showed that it was a mistake and had consequences for it. Plus the witch was evil, unlike in The Lord of the Rings where one of the good guys was a so called "white wizard" that uses magic for justice. The Lord of the Rings is far worse than Narnia. It's dark all the way through. I think we need to start high and work our way down. There are Christians that go to movies that are R rated with cursing and crude humor and limbs being rent off, and some many go to x rated films!
 

loveme1

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God is loving, but he also requires you love him.

Free will is to obey God or not.

Jesus is our Saviour, but that is not a get out of jail free card.

You have to do it on God's terms not your own.
 

tjogs

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loveme, have you considered the minor option that God have also other ways to speak to people than just Bible?

I suppose that we all agree the position that Bible have, but being totally intolerant to any other than bible sounds like being intolerant to anyone who don't belive just like us.

I've been working years for fantasy book full of all kinds of thing starting from occult, satan worshipping, magic... only show the position and glory of God here.
It's not intented to be read majorly by people who know God well. They may not need the book but what of those who don't care bible at all based on the image they have? If those people find the little they need to get interested, curious about Lord from fantasy then don't it serve it's purpose then?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Reading someone else's idea of the Bible , is not for God..

As soon as anyone opens their mouth to talk about the bible we will hear their idea...
so: I should not be on here then... as I will listen to everyones idea of the bible rather than my own?
 
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next_step

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The deception is upon you, I have gone against the majority, for I do not find comfort in the deception.

My comfort, my truth is all in God, The Bible warns , and not one of you could disprove the paganism, you dismissed it as just for entertainment.
C. S Lewis is giving you his interpretation, as Fantasy.

Why so many have defended i,t is disturbing.


Being a Christian, is standing for God, not against him.

Reading someone else's idea of the Bible , is not for God.
It is for yourself... We all know who promotes the self loving.....

Do you not know that God is a jealous God? and that this stuff angers him? He wants us to stand against everything.
Glorify him by recognizing his suffering, and reject this type of deception.

Do you mean that Lewis endorses paganism as a worldview? Does he affirm that polytheism is true? I don't think so. Rather, Christ fulfilled the inherent human longing of something more, that manifested itself in human religion. Lewis respected paganism as opposed to the crude materialism and atheism he once accepted, for it had some idea of something divine.

Of course, one can accuse Lewis of not taking into account the biblical doctrine of idolatry. That paganism is not simply a feeling of something more, but that is idolatry as it confuses the true God with something else.

However, I'd understand Lewis in terms of thinking "worldviewishly". That he appreciated this perspective of religion in general and its implications which contradicted materialistic atheism.
 

loveme1

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As soon as anyone opens their mouth to talk about the bible we will hear their idea...
so: I should not be on here then... as I will listen to everyones idea of the bible rather than my own?

If it is not in line with the Bible, then simply avoid.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#58
half the people in here say things that are not in line with the bible.... just go read the titles of some threads :p :)
 
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dmdave17

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I "Googled" C. S. lewis, author of "The Chronicles of Narnia", and came up with this. " Owing to the influence of Tolkien and other friends, at the age of 32 Lewis returned to the Anglican Communion, becoming 'a very ordinary layman of the Church of England'. His faith had a profound effect on his work, and his wartime radio broadcasts on the subject of Christianity brought him wide acclaim."

I don't think there can be any doubt that Lewis intended for Narnia to be an allegory of Christianity. :)
 

loveme1

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I "Googled" C. S. lewis, author of "The Chronicles of Narnia", and came up with this. " Owing to the influence of Tolkien and other friends, at the age of 32 Lewis returned to the Anglican Communion, becoming 'a very ordinary layman of the Church of England'. His faith had a profound effect on his work, and his wartime radio broadcasts on the subject of Christianity brought him wide acclaim."

I don't think there can be any doubt that Lewis intended for Narnia to be an allegory of Christianity. :)
I have read lot's of nice things about him too, but nothing can speak louder than his work, which is not in line with the Bible.

c.s Lewis, Was trying to bring paganism and Christianity together by Narnia, and Naive Christian's have lapped it up, and defend the man.

He wanted to bring his interest with paganism to Christianity.

"According to the author, Aslan is not an allegorical portrayal of Christ, but rather a suppositional incarnation of Christ Himself:
If Aslan represented the immaterial Deity, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality however, he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, 'What might Christ become like if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all."

The above comes from Aslan wikipedia page.