What is Truth?

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Roughsoul1991

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Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.


Our culture, social media, education and the internet are being flooded with ideas, worldviews, idealogies that build on older thoughts or mix old thoughts to create new ones. We see these in memes, short YouTube videos, or short news articles. Always learning but never arriving to the truth.


Some will read a meme or a short news article and out of gullibility or even laziness they accept the idea without following it, researching it, cross examine opposing ideas and read multiple sources both articles and books.


So much information with not enough time in the day to follow every idea all the way through. All the way through the emotional response and on into the logical and reasonable consequences of such ideas. Easiest way to test if a idea needs more thought is by asking yourself a few questions.


1.What is the foundation of those beliefs? ( example: Do you believe because of your parents, a teacher, a internet blogger.)


2.What justification does your belief have? ( Example: there are just two truth values: true and false. A proposition is true if it corresponds to reality; otherwise it is false.)


3.How well are you able to defend your beliefs?


So if your belief began from a popular internet blogger, does the belief correspond to reality and are you able to defend it if put on the spot. Are you held in confirmation bias or has those beliefs been held to the fire to be refined or burned up?


What is truth?


Of truth. What is truth? said jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer. - Francis Bacon refers to Pontius Pilate.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. John Adams


"Truth is a funny thing. Many want to be known as followers of the truth, but that same many subconsciously hope to avoid the consequences of catching it.
To apprehend the truth is to be changed into something we could never have imagined in the fog of our delusions. It takes true abandonment to faith in the Spirit of Truth to finally become conformed to His image. Having a vested interest in what the truth is always leads you to bow before your own image as you peer into that glass darkly. There is no substitute for taking up the cross that kills all ambition and self seeking and following that One who said, "I AM the Truth!" To fall short of this walk is to be forever caught in the lie."-Michael Clark


In the last days many want to be known as followers of the truth, but that same many subconsciously hope to avoid the consequences of catching it. The truth will lead to God and the consequences of being led to God means one must answer for what they do with that truth.


2 Timothy 3 New International Version (NIV)
3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires,

7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
 

maxwel

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A proposition is true if it corresponds to reality;
If I were having this conversation with a college student, I would probably restate the definition as "Truth is that which corresponds to OBJECTIVE reality."

That would prevent about 90% of whatever the student was about to say.

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maxwel

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The reason for my post above:

When people have bizarre definitions for words, we need to force the conversation back to rationality.
Colleges are teaching the kids that "reality" is defined by your personal experiences, or your personal feelings.

The word "objective" is a fly in the ointment.
It qualifies the word "reality" for those who have no idea what reality actually is.
So... it just circumvents all of that nonsense, or at least brings it up at the very beginning, so you can deal with it.


Have fun.
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Roughsoul1991

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If I were having this conversation with a college student, I would probably restate the definition as "Truth is that which corresponds to OBJECTIVE reality."

That would prevent about 90% of whatever the student was about to say.

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True, objectivity is the only reality
Reality is what is real. For example to argue a more than 2 gender reality is actually nonsense because by all observations and study of human DNA we know that 2 genders is the only reality. Or that life begins at conception and a unborn child having the human DNA at conception is just as human as you and I. To say otherwise goes against what we observe and see within reality.

Reality corresponds with God and creation because for obvious reasons He created the reality. We may debate how God created but in the end we only have 2 options what is true and what is false.

To presuppose a Godless world but yet hold assumptions that only make sense in a God created reality will bring about bad philosophy. Bad philosophy= bad theology
Bad philosophy= bad science

So without having a good understanding of reality within Philosophy (the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language) then as our culture tries to tell us, truth is subjective and or no one can know the truth and at the same time they claim that to be true.

Point being yes truth can only be objective or else someone's worldview will sound like nonsense.