Women Equality

[presidente]

There is obvious areas that need investigation for example my wife starting out at Chic fil a making 75 cents less than a male starting. It is a obvious job where both can compete on a level ground. No sense in that.

Is this 75 cents less than all males on average, and do all females get paid less, or just one male there?

In general, a lot of the inequality in pay between men and women goes away when they control for other variables in the equation. Men tend to work more hours, and there tends to be a big bump up in pay for those who have to work more than 44 hours a week (in on study.) In the US, at least, there is a pay premium for dirty and dangerous jobs, and women tend to not take these jobs. There are also a disproportionate number of women in college choosing low-paying fields like teaching and social work when compared to higher paying fields like engineering. Governments can push women to take jobs they wouldn't naturally choose, but there is a social cost to that.

Let's say you owned a general store in the old west. You have a few employees. One employee is a man who is the sole breadwinner for his house. He has another baby. He's a good worker and older than your other two employees. You decide to give him a raise so he can have more money to support his children. Should you be penalized for doing that?

This is another sort of thing that can lead to income inequality. If homes that have one breadwinner tend to have the man working, and the boss gives raises to sole bread-winners with families, this can also lead to men making more money.

 

[1christian1]

I'd rather you tell us which countries have the women in charge.

I don't remember all the questions, but one of the surveys had a lot of questions along the lines of how citizens of different countries felt satisfied as it related to issues of individual freedom, countries where Scandinavians scored high. They didn't ask questions about feeling in harmony in others, more Asian values, for example. The Scandinavians ranked high, but these were also values Westerners would assocaited with happiness, as oppose to the values of those from eastern cultures.

In grad school I came in late to a discussion on this topic and made the point, but one of the cross-cultural or other types of psychologists had already made the point previously.

Really! Now even to lazy to google to stuff? Lol....You've got to do some research. Get back to me...

 

[Hungry]

There is obvious areas that need investigation for example my wife starting out at Chic fil a making 75 cents less than a male starting. It is a obvious job where both can compete on a level ground. No sense in that.

I worked in culinary for almost two decades and I can tell you unbiased that it takes more women to get as much done as men. There’s always hard working women and slow moving dudes but on average the men out perform the women on productivity. At a counter job, maybe equal, but cooking and preparation, not even close.

 

[Hungry]

What I really desire is that women received more respect in the home and more valued. Perhaps if there was more emphasis placed on how awesome motherhood is and less focussed on how women need to express value by flooding the workforce then perhaps the whole social construct would benefit. Instead of women being left at home lonely and unappreciated, while men spend unnecessary time at work and excessively socializing then women would have felt more fulfilled and would have enjoyed their role as homemaker. I see the boys of today and it saddens me. They have been psychologically castrated. This benefits no one. The biggest problem I foresee is that women are naturally drawn to confident men to submit to and be strong fathers. Because the women are more confident and the men more humbled neither will be satisfied in marriage or life.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I worked in culinary for almost two decades and I can tell you unbiased that it takes more women to get as much done as men. There’s always hard working women and slow moving dudes but on average the men out perform the women on productivity. At a counter job, maybe equal, but cooking and preparation, not even close.

May be true but still should be off of performance. Because most the guys that worked with my wife was lazy but got paid more. She would even be praised as the fastest in her work station.

But in my job it is true. I work a hard labor job and the few females usually need more help or we just automatically pull their weight in work because it is faster than trying to get them to hurry up. But we get paid the same. Even the laziest men get paid the same.

 

[Moses_Young]

Is this 75 cents less than all males on average, and do all females get paid less, or just one male there?

In general, a lot of the inequality in pay between men and women goes away when they control for other variables in the equation. Men tend to work more hours, and there tends to be a big bump up in pay for those who have to work more than 44 hours a week (in on study.)

This is very true. In many countries, women get paid maternity leave. So a woman may only work 6 months of a year, but be paid the same as a man for the full year because she gave birth. In terms of equal work for equal pay, that woman is actually getting paid twice as much as the man, as she only worked half the year, but is paid the same amount. A significant pay gap, in favour of women. The gap gets worse if the woman takes more time off.

Yet if the man takes 6 months off to look after his stay-at-home wife with her new baby, he doesn't get paid. So the stay-at-home mum is discriminated against. This is one of the many problems of feminism - it discriminates against feminine women. The wives and mothers (and their familes) who stay home to look after their families get shafted economically, while those who go to work get rewarded, whether they actually work or not. This whole situation is why taxation doesn't work. If the government can't steal your money, it can't use it to manipulate societal changes like feminism and communism.

Communism is the ultimate working example of "equal pay for equal work", where everything just collapses because it promotes laziness.

 

[Lightskin]

When you say Women Equality does that include liberal men? Asking for a friend.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

What I really desire is that women received more respect in the home and more valued. Perhaps if there was more emphasis placed on how awesome motherhood is and less focussed on how women need to express value by flooding the workforce then perhaps the whole social construct would benefit. Instead of women being left at home lonely and unappreciated, while men spend unnecessary time at work and excessively socializing then women would have felt more fulfilled and would have enjoyed their role as homemaker. I see the boys of today and it saddens me. They have been psychologically castrated. This benefits no one. The biggest problem I foresee is that women are naturally drawn to confident men to submit to and be strong fathers. Because the women are more confident and the men more humbled neither will be satisfied in marriage or life.

Couldn't agree more. Now kids are not wanting marriage or the Biblical definition of marriage, not wanting kids, doesn't believe in the God design of men to women, and everything is centered of the values of self. The values of self outweighs the importance for marriage, kids, and gender roles. Pursue that career and get there any means possible as you see women actors aborted their children.

Masculinity was tagged as toxic in the beginning of the #metoo movement and every media show has to bow down to the idea that if a Male is slightly more feminine by societies judgement then they are automatically pushed to believe that is normal for a LGBT individual.

Jobs are more about productivity than the health of the family.

 

[kaylagrl]

For the Christian women do you want 100% equality within your country to that of man? Do you want a slight increase in equality? Or are you happy where you are?

How does your Biblical worldview see the feminist movements of today? Reasonable or radical?

Equality is a loaded term. If you mean equal pay for equal work, that depends. Here is an example...

My father drives for Fed Ex. He has to deliver furniture, trampolines, and other heavy items over 150 pounds on his own. He's 67 yrs. old and has no help. There was a woman who worked beside him and she got the same pay as he did. But she would leave the warehouse and meet her boyfriend who would take the heavy items and deliver for her. Now of course that is against the rules. But the point was she was getting the same pay.

How do I see feminists today? Utterly radical and 100% against the Word. Period.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is very true. In many countries, women get paid maternity leave. So a woman may only work 6 months of a year, but be paid the same as a man for the full year because she gave birth. In terms of equal work for equal pay, that woman is actually getting paid twice as much as the man, as she only worked half the year, but is paid the same amount. A significant pay gap, in favour of women. The gap gets worse if the woman takes more time off.

Yet if the man takes 6 months off to look after his stay-at-home wife with her new baby, he doesn't get paid. So the stay-at-home mum is discriminated against. This is one of the many problems of feminism - it discriminates against feminine women. The wives and mothers (and their familes) who stay home to look after their families get shafted economically, while those who go to work get rewarded, whether they actually work or not. This whole situation is why taxation doesn't work. If the government can't steal your money, it can't use it to manipulate societal changes like feminism and communism.

Communism is the ultimate working example of "equal pay for equal work", where everything just collapses because it promotes laziness.

Well with maternity leave most jobs have leave options for medical emergencies for men and women. Men dont give birth so having months off is unnecessary. Plus the private sector has the freedom to do what it wants without government control. Government shouldn't force small businesses to offer maternity leave. If that is something someone wants they have the freedom to seek that job out.

Too much government intervention and businesses collapse. Too little intervention and corruption or abuse happens. We have to have a balance.

As for discrimination against women for having children. Idk how much that happens overall but I know once my wife starting to take off for school events or Dr visits, her job started to treat her differently.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Equality is a loaded term. If you mean equal pay for equal work, that depends. Here is an example...

My father drives for Fed Ex. He has to deliver furniture, trampolines, and other heavy items over 150 pounds on his own. He's 67 yrs. old and has no help. There was a woman who worked beside him and she got the same pay as he did. But she would leave the warehouse and meet her boyfriend who would take the heavy items and deliver for her. Now of course that is against the rules. But the point was she was getting the same pay.

How do I see feminists today? Utterly radical and 100% against the Word. Period.

I was hoping someone kept up with current events. So what would you vote for in the poll? Do you feel like we are in a good place, or needs slight improvement.

If needing improvement what in your opinion should be improved?

Do you believe their is a legitimate pay gap?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

This is very true. In many countries, women get paid maternity leave. So a woman may only work 6 months of a year, but be paid the same as a man for the full year because she gave birth. In terms of equal work for equal pay, that woman is actually getting paid twice as much as the man, as she only worked half the year, but is paid the same amount. A significant pay gap, in favour of women. The gap gets worse if the woman takes more time off.

Yet if the man takes 6 months off to look after his stay-at-home wife with her new baby, he doesn't get paid. So the stay-at-home mum is discriminated against. This is one of the many problems of feminism - it discriminates against feminine women. The wives and mothers (and their familes) who stay home to look after their families get shafted economically, while those who go to work get rewarded, whether they actually work or not. This whole situation is why taxation doesn't work. If the government can't steal your money, it can't use it to manipulate societal changes like feminism and communism.

Communism is the ultimate working example of "equal pay for equal work", where everything just collapses because it promotes laziness.

What do you disagree with? Please enlighten me.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

When you say Women Equality does that include liberal men? Asking for a friend.

I speak of biological women.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

This is very true. In many countries, women get paid maternity leave. So a woman may only work 6 months of a year, but be paid the same as a man for the full year because she gave birth. In terms of equal work for equal pay, that woman is actually getting paid twice as much as the man, as she only worked half the year, but is paid the same amount. A significant pay gap, in favour of women. The gap gets worse if the woman takes more time off.

Yet if the man takes 6 months off to look after his stay-at-home wife with her new baby, he doesn't get paid. So the stay-at-home mum is discriminated against. This is one of the many problems of feminism - it discriminates against feminine women. The wives and mothers (and their familes) who stay home to look after their families get shafted economically, while those who go to work get rewarded, whether they actually work or not. This whole situation is why taxation doesn't work. If the government can't steal your money, it can't use it to manipulate societal changes like feminism and communism.

Communism is the ultimate working example of "equal pay for equal work", where everything just collapses because it promotes laziness.

At my work, we have parental leave which also extends to adoptions. Both parents can take time off. I think a lot of places are moving this way, as they should.

 

[kaylagrl]

I was hoping someone kept up with current events. So what would you vote for in the poll? Do you feel like we are in a good place, or needs slight improvement.

If needing improvement what in your opinion should be improved?

Do you believe their is a legitimate pay gap?

Oh boy, can I answer this one under a fake account name? Well, here goes. I would vote happy as is. I don't believe there is a pay gap. I don't personally agree with the feminist movement, their ideals, even from the beginning. So I don't really know how to answer as far as where an improvement can be made. I believe feminism today, as it stands, is utterly Godless, man hating, abortion supporting and against everything I stand for as a Christian. Sorry, I know that's going to ruffle a lot of feathers. I believe women should be treated fairly in the work place, I think they shouldn't have to worry about sexual harassment, they should have respect. But as for feminism as a whole, I don't support their agenda in any way.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

What I really desire is that women received more respect in the home and more valued. Perhaps if there was more emphasis placed on how awesome motherhood is and less focussed on how women need to express value by flooding the workforce then perhaps the whole social construct would benefit. Instead of women being left at home lonely and unappreciated, while men spend unnecessary time at work and excessively socializing then women would have felt more fulfilled and would have enjoyed their role as homemaker. I see the boys of today and it saddens me. They have been psychologically castrated. This benefits no one. The biggest problem I foresee is that women are naturally drawn to confident men to submit to and be strong fathers. Because the women are more confident and the men more humbled neither will be satisfied in marriage or life.

All this starts at childhood on how the girl is raised, which shapes what she expects later in life. There is an article called, why men marry Melanias, but raise Ivankas. If a parent raises a girl with the same expectations as her brother, or wants her to excel in school or in everything she does, that is going to shape her thinking and adult life. However if a parent, for example, teaches his daughter to be silent or quiet around men, pushes her towards more feminine professions like teaching and caretaking rather than technical professions, advanced degrees not important for girls, so forth, she will have a different outlook.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Oh boy, can I answer this one under a fake account name? Well, here goes. I would vote happy as is. I don't believe there is a pay gap. I don't personally agree with the feminist movement, their ideals, even from the beginning. So I don't really know how to answer as far as where an improvement can be made. I believe feminism today, as it stands, is utterly Godless, man hating, abortion supporting and against everything I stand for as a Christian. Sorry, I know that's going to ruffle a lot of feathers. I believe women should be treated fairly in the work place, I think they shouldn't have to worry about sexual harassment, they should have respect. But as for feminism as a whole, I don't support their agenda in any way.

Do you believe critical theory has a play in the modern feminist movements?

What would womens equality within government look like in a Biblical worldview?

 

[TheIndianGirl]

So, rather than pointing at the woman, maybe we should look more at her parents, teachers, upbringing on why she is the way she is today. She is their product.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

All this starts at childhood on how the girl is raised, which shapes what she expects later in life. There is an article called, why men marry Melanias, but raise Ivankas. If a parent raises a girl with the same expectations as her brother, or wants her to excel in school or in everything she does, that is going to shape her thinking and adult life. However if a parent, for example, teaches his daughter to be silent or quiet around men, pushes her towards more feminine professions like teaching and caretaking rather than technical professions, advanced degrees not important for girls, so forth, she will have a different outlook.

Do you believe Biblically we as a society should be promoting the feminine careers for females?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

So, rather than pointing at the woman, maybe we should look more at her parents, teachers, upbringing on why she is the way she is today. She is their product.

What change would you want to see? If any.