Secular Music

[Karlon]

Oh! Kind of reminds me of that show, my daughter really likes it, where antiques and rare finds are appraised...

Antiques Roadshow. Have you ever come across something really valuable?

nothing of huge value but there were some over $12,000. but around May, i bought 3 mike tyson boxing posters, 1 was his debut fight against hector mercedes, the other 2 were his 3rd fight against don halpin. i sold them for a very attractive price with the agreement to meet mike next year in the catskills or n.y.c. & yesterday, at the creekside flea market in livingston, i enjoyed my biggest profit there. it is so much fun being in the merchandise business.

 

[Karlon]

Oh! Kind of reminds me of that show, my daughter really likes it, where antiques and rare finds are appraised...

Antiques Roadshow. Have you ever come across something really valuable?

Some of the most valuable items found on Antiques Roadshow include:

Faberge pear blossom
A masterpiece made of gold, jade, diamonds, and silver, this item was
owned by an army regiment and given a record-breaking valuation.

John Lennon's guitar
A prototype fretless guitar owned by John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles.
es, i remember some of theose deals.. i have been watching that since it aied, around 1995, maybe.
1914 Patek Philippe pocket watch
A pristine timepiece from the Swiss watchmaker that was handed down from a great-grandfather.
The auction value was estimated at $250,000 in 2004, $1.5 million in 2016, and $2–$3 million in 2018.

180-year-old miniature gold almanac
An item inherited from a maternal grandmother that was in fantastic condition and dated to 1840.

Victorian brooch
A rare brooch that was purchased for less than £20 and sold at auction for £9,500.

Faberge Flower
One of the only surviving "botantical studies" created by Faberge in the early 1900s.
The item was kept with its original presentation box and valued at £1 million.

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Oh! Kind of reminds me of that show, my daughter really likes it, where antiques and rare finds are appraised...

Antiques Roadshow. Have you ever come across something really valuable?

Some of the most valuable items found on Antiques Roadshow include:

Faberge pear blossom
A masterpiece made of gold, jade, diamonds, and silver, this item was
owned by an army regiment and given a record-breaking valuation.

John Lennon's guitar
A prototype fretless guitar owned by John Lennon and George Harrison of the Beatles.

1914 Patek Philippe pocket watch
A pristine timepiece from the Swiss watchmaker that was handed down from a great-grandfather.
The auction value was estimated at $250,000 in 2004, $1.5 million in 2016, and $2–$3 million in 2018.

180-year-old miniature gold almanac
An item inherited from a maternal grandmother that was in fantastic condition and dated to 1840.

Victorian brooch
A rare brooch that was purchased for less than £20 and sold at auction for £9,500.

Faberge Flower
One of the only surviving "botantical studies" created by Faberge in the early 1900s.
The item was kept with its original presentation box and valued at £1 million.

i remember seeing some of the ones you listed. i have been watching the antiques roadshow since it aired, about 1995, maybe. the guy with the patek watch hit the floor when he heard the value!

 

[Joshua_Belyeu]

That response was meant for someone else.

With due respect, you haven't been quoting anyone in your responses, so it can be difficult for some people to realize who you're addressing.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

With due respect, you haven't been quoting anyone in your responses, so it can be difficult for some people to realize who you're addressing.

I disagree with pubs views, but I went back two pages and he only once didn't quote anyone in a post. And that was a general post not aimed at any one person. Perhaps you have someone on ignore and can't see their posts, or when those posts are quoted. But he has quoted a few people.

 

[Lynx]

I just learned that Joshua has me on ignore!

I could have been talking junk about him for a long time, and I didn't know...

 

[BaptistBrother]

At this point in my life, I agree wholeheartedly with 1ofthem.
I don't play music, but I started collecting, buying and selling rock, jazz and blues albums back in the '70s and made it into a little side business through the '80s.

At one time, I had bookshelves full of albums, probably about a thousand at a time.

I made mixtapes to play in my car but after chasing after so many obscure artists whose music I really liked, I found that my friends and co-workers didn't want to ride with me anymore because they just didn't recognize those artists.
They were more of the jukebox, limited radio playlists kind of people who basically let other people decide for them who puts out a hit single that they have to listen to - no deviating.

Not that they were an influence in my changing my mind about the music I listened to, but when I became a Christian, my priorities drastically changed.
Not being legalistic, but I figured how can I have a decent hour of prayer, or even play praise and worship music to The Lord without all that other noise still playing in my head?
Why keep all of those albums and why would I want to give it back to the world if I want to be a good witness?

Call it a loss if you wish but I don't - I did have MANY very rare rock albums and yet I filled a dumpster with them (oh, they are heavy) and I don't want to go back to them.

Some might argue, saying there are some mellow bands like from the '70s that could be alright.
Well, I'll give you one example. I did really like Seals & Crofts at one time until I became a Christian and looked at them more closely.
They were members of the Baha'i world religion, trying to incorporate bits and pieces from all other major religions - a real crackpot loonytoon belief system.
They would use parts of Baha'i teachings in their lyrics.
Seals & Crofts would evangelize their beliefs during their concerts, asking audience members if they would like to join or convert to Crazytown with them.

So it's best as a Christian to ditch all that noise and listen, meditate on and enjoy hymns, praise and worship music to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Lynx]

At this point in my life, I agree wholeheartedly with 1ofthem.
I don't play music, but I started collecting, buying and selling rock, jazz and blues albums back in the '70s and made it into a little side business through the '80s.

At one time, I had bookshelves full of albums, probably about a thousand at a time.

I made mixtapes to play in my car but after chasing after so many obscure artists whose music I really liked, I found that my friends and co-workers didn't want to ride with me anymore because they just didn't recognize those artists.
They were more of the jukebox, limited radio playlists kind of people who basically let other people decide for them who puts out a hit single that they have to listen to - no deviating.

Not that they were an influence in my changing my mind about the music I listened to, but when I became a Christian, my priorities drastically changed.
Not being legalistic, but I figured how can I have a decent hour of prayer, or even play praise and worship music to The Lord without all that other noise still playing in my head?
Why keep all of those albums and why would I want to give it back to the world if I want to be a good witness?

Call it a loss if you wish but I don't - I did have MANY very rare rock albums and yet I filled a dumpster with them (oh, they are heavy) and I don't want to go back to them.

Some might argue, saying there are some mellow bands like from the '70s that could be alright.
Well, I'll give you one example. I did really like Seals & Crofts at one time until I became a Christian and looked at them more closely.
They were members of the Baha'i world religion, trying to incorporate bits and pieces from all other major religions - a real crackpot loonytoon belief system.
They would use parts of Baha'i teachings in their lyrics.
Seals & Crofts would evangelize their beliefs during their concerts, asking audience members if they would like to join or convert to Crazytown with them.

So it's best as a Christian to ditch all that noise and listen, meditate on and enjoy hymns, praise and worship music to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

First, howdy and welcome to the Forum.

Second, one bad example does not a case file make. Seals and Crofts being bad does not mean all secular music is bad.

There's a lot of bad Christian music out there. That doesn't mean all of it is bad.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I find all music to be neutral - I think it's the lyrics that make a song godly or ungodly. So if there's a song I like, but the lyrics are awful, I try to find an instrumental version of it that doesn't sing any of the lyrics.

Also there are some music pieces which are attributed with sinful topics. I remember when I was a kid, a popular movie was released called "10" starring Dudley Moore and Bo Derek. I never saw the movie itself - I was too young to get into the movies for that and when I got older, I really didn't care to watch it anyway.

However it butchered the reputation of a music piece that I absolutely loved - always have, always will. And that's Maurice Ravel's Boléro. Someone in the movie loves playing the song while she messes around. So now a lot of ignorant, but pretentious classical movie lovers associate that song with sex.

And the thing is, that if you hear that song on it's own without having heard about that idiotic movie, the song is utterly hypnotic. It's a melody played over and over but with different singular instruments or a different combination of instruments in turn. So, it comes out with a different nuance every time. Added to that, when it begins, it's very soft, but with each iteration, it increases in volume.

So to me, it actually sounds like some sort of parade for a circus coming to town, with each instrument or combo representing some circus animal or circus entertainer.

By the end, ALL the instruments are being played! If you've ever watched a real live concert of it, by this last round, ALL the musicians are going CRAZY, pouring all of their hearts and souls into playing this beautiful, hypnotic piece. The whole experience is just breath-taking!

Below is my absolute favorite performance of this piece by the London Symphony Orchestra, with their intense conductor Valery Gergiev (watch his amazing facial expressions!). (PS - the toothpick as his conductor's baton is an inside joke, lol!) Play this song with ad-block on or else YouTube will interrupt with several ads and throw off the flow of the performance.

Maurice Ravel's Boléro

🔮

 

[ForgiveMeGod]

This past year I composed 52 secular songs, most of them with Christian titles. I can’t tell if I’m further away from, God or closer to God. It kinda fluctuates depending on what I’m doing. I know my pastor warned me about listening to secular music, even creating secular music but I did it anyway, cause I thought that God wanted me to become a Christian electronic artist. All of my songs do not sound like a Christian artist but they have been played on radio stations around the world. If you saw the AI videos I created for my music, you can see how I started off with the right intentions and slowly but surely became more and more like the world than when I originally started.

Thus, I don’t recommend listening to secular music or creating secular music.

Just my opinion based on experience.

 

[Brian27603]

Hey, I wanna keep this short and sweet. What are your personal thoughts 💭 on secular music🤔🤔??

I was in a cover band about 9 years ago when I was a fairly new believer. When did mostly hard rock covers such as Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Guns n Roses, etc. However, one of the last concerts when did my co-lead singer did the song "Sympathy For the Devil" by The Rilling Stones with me helping with backups. It was in listening to the lyrics and seeing his actions while singing that I realized I was sending mixed messages to those watching, most of whom knew I was a believer. I became very convicted, thank you Holy Spirit, and told my fellow members I could no longer be a part because of the music we were doing. I am now very careful as to any media I allow myself to parttake of.

I'm not saying secular music is wrong in general. What I'm saying is that people who know us watch and are quick to point out out hypocrisy if we're promoting something obviously unbiblical, such as the song I mentioned. Scripture says we are to obtain from even rhe appearance of evil so we need to ask ourselves if what we are participating in can be perceived as evil. If so, we need to avoid it.

 

[Brian27603]

Oh, something I failed to add. We have to remember too that just because something is labeled as Christain doesn't make it so either. There is a lot of music in the CCM genre that, if you actually listen to the lyrics or maybe the churches that they come from, are far from biblically sound

 

[Brian27603]

Have you folks considered writing your own music? I tried to upload the last piece that I wrote/worked on (about twenty years ago), but the file type wasn't expected.

I'd challenge yourselves to pick up an instrument and begin expressing yourself in that way. I don't have any children, but the music I wrote is the closest thing to having a "child." When "you" write your own music, you know every note; every aspect of it. You see and hear how it all falls together; each note in conversation with the other. To write music is an incredible gift and ability given by God and I am 100% convinced that He LOVES it!

Uhhg, no one wants to hear me trying to pick up and instrument. I tried about 10 years ago to learn the guitar so that I could just accompany myself singing Christian music. Not good. Remember that old saying about sounding like cats dying. That sounds better than I did. I'll stick to singing. Even then, I'm glad scripture says to make a beautiful "noise" to the Lord.

 

[Karlon]

I was in a cover band about 9 years ago when I was a fairly new believer. When did mostly hard rock covers such as Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Guns n Roses, etc. However, one of the last concerts when did my co-lead singer did the song "Sympathy For the Devil" by The Rilling Stones with me helping with backups. It was in listening to the lyrics and seeing his actions while singing that I realized I was sending mixed messages to those watching, most of whom knew I was a believer. I became very convicted, thank you Holy Spirit, and told my fellow members I could no longer be a part because of the music we were doing. I am now very careful as to any media I allow myself to parttake of.

I'm not saying secular music is wrong in general. What I'm saying is that people who know us watch and are quick to point out out hypocrisy if we're promoting something obviously unbiblical, such as the song I mentioned. Scripture says we are to obtain from even rhe appearance of evil so we need to ask ourselves if what we are participating in can be perceived as evil. If so, we need to avoid it.

quite honorable! & wise! reminds me of me when in 1990, i suddenly had this idea that certain music was evil. i threw out my motley crue, judas priest & ac-dc records & anything else similar to that.