What is wrong with rock music & why is it considered evil?

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LindseyH

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(Let me know if I'm doing this wrong, I've never been on a forum)

A couple more for your consideration - sometimes this can be hoaky, campy, and badly done, but this first one shows his heart
http://youtu.be/EGAGsvmNUBc

And then this one... proves my point! and it's just great!
http://youtu.be/0Zjtx74Wg4o
 
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I grew up in your same generation..I have attended the concerts and still do. I have all my old t shirts, albums, cds and more and still enjoy them. I am a music minister. My dad is still a preacher and hates my rock music..but so what? A lot of my old rock in roll heroes are now CHRISTIAN..and so am I. If you take the premise that all TRUTH comes from GOD..you can find TRUTH in the strangest places, including rock albums and concerts. I was there when Kiss spoke of GOD, prayer and patriotism. Alice Cooper is a professed CHRISTIAN man of high importance. Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad is a powerful CHRISTIAN performer and witness for CHRIST. Kenny Livgren of Kansas is out there planting seeds for God's Kingdom. The list goes on. The fact is..anyone's past is just that...their past....GOD takes us as we are and then uses our talents for HIS glory..including electric guitars, drums and keyboards. I personally do not enjoy Bluegrass music, but I surely would never condemn a person to hell for their personal taste because they listen to it. GOD forbid if a former rapper should become a CHRISTIAN and keep on rapping, right? The lyrics of a convert tell the story. A former pastor of mine is now a front man for a local rock 'n roll group who is gaining on popularity. He made a choice and got out of the pulpit ministry. However, his lyrics and lifestyle changed for the worse. THis is sad. but it is actually no different than a known performer who is NOT a CHRISTIAN but uses soft gospel tunes and lyrics. It boils down to the heart and not the exterior adornments.
 

posthuman

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[video=youtube;xaZ8npGD_OM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZ8npGD_OM[/video]



What makes you different from one another

Why do you argue about who you follow
There is no man that you belong to
There's only one God that can claim you

[1 Corinthians 3:5-7]

I don't care if you don't speak in tongues [1 Corinthians 13:1]
I don't care if you're into submersion [Matthew 3:16]
What does it matter if wear a liturgical robe or prophesy
And say God said so [1 John 4:1]

I just know Jesus is the way
I just know Jesus is the truth
I just know Jesus is the life
I know that Jesus is my God [John 14:6]

Do you serve your name or do you serve mankind
Would you feel the same if they took down your sign
Could you sit next to me if I was Baptist or Presbyterian
Or do I need to be a charismatic or Episcopalian [Acts 2:17]

I don't care if you drink grape juice or if it's wine [Matthew 26:27- 29]
And I don't care if you get out of church on time
What does it matter if you praise God with music in your church [Psalm 150]
Or you burn your dead or bury them six feet in the dirt

I don't care if you clap your hands [Psalm 47:1]
I don't care if you get out in the aisle and dance [Psalm 149:3]
What's it matter if someone lets out a hallelujah shout [Psalm 100:1]
Have we forgotten what praising Yahweh is all about
 
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James4redemption

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I don't know how many testimonies I've seen on youtube, where people see some crazy happenings in the spirit in relation to Christian rock, Christian rappers, etc etc. None of it good. But I personally don't know where the line is drawn in relation to.
 
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Ugly

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I don't know how many testimonies I've seen on youtube, where people see some crazy happenings in the spirit in relation to Christian rock, Christian rappers, etc etc. None of it good. But I personally don't know where the line is drawn in relation to.
Yeah. A few videos on YouTube. Sounds like a reliable source of information.
You can YouTube all you want, but if you haven't spent time and experienced things yourself then you have no facts.
As a teen I went to many Christian shows and I saw all kinds of good things going on. People being saved. Worship. Fun. Fellowship. Planting seeds as a witness. Saw a band stand on stage in front of a full secular audience of 100s and declare Jesus as their savior then playing a passionate, powerful set, even through injury and lack of sleep. Watched a band play in a bar have an equipment malfunction that should've taken 5 minutes to fix, but somehow took longer and so the band spent over 20 minutes, to fill in the time, preaching to a bar about Christ.
But hey. You saw a few YouTube videos, likely made by people whose intentions are to paint the music in a bad light to begin with. Surely that's a valid measure of a 25 year history of music and the 1000s of people involved.
 
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LindseyH

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Haha. That's funny that you think I'm apart of that generation :) (well there was nothing else there to say otherwise) but I'm 24, a millennial! and that probably disqualifies me from anymore conversations... :)

but I do agree with you. We are not saved by our works, but our faith is made evident by our works. A great illustration I've been using A LOT lately is the red lizard in The Great Divorce (CS Lewis). There's a purity to everything we do/have/use. God created everything initially and it was good. It's sin that corrupts. And it's God and God alone who redeems, allowing and helping us to put to death and destroy sin...to purify... feel free to correct me. I am still a millennial so I probably need it...but I'm learning :)
 
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LindseyH

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I grew up in your same generation..I have attended the concerts and still do. I have all my old t shirts, albums, cds and more and still enjoy them. I am a music minister. My dad is still a preacher and hates my rock music..but so what? A lot of my old rock in roll heroes are now CHRISTIAN..and so am I. If you take the premise that all TRUTH comes from GOD..you can find TRUTH in the strangest places, including rock albums and concerts. I was there when Kiss spoke of GOD, prayer and patriotism. Alice Cooper is a professed CHRISTIAN man of high importance. Mark Farner of Grand Funk Railroad is a powerful CHRISTIAN performer and witness for CHRIST. Kenny Livgren of Kansas is out there planting seeds for God's Kingdom. The list goes on. The fact is..anyone's past is just that...their past....GOD takes us as we are and then uses our talents for HIS glory..including electric guitars, drums and keyboards. I personally do not enjoy Bluegrass music, but I surely would never condemn a person to hell for their personal taste because they listen to it. GOD forbid if a former rapper should become a CHRISTIAN and keep on rapping, right? The lyrics of a convert tell the story. A former pastor of mine is now a front man for a local rock 'n roll group who is gaining on popularity. He made a choice and got out of the pulpit ministry. However, his lyrics and lifestyle changed for the worse. THis is sad. but it is actually no different than a known performer who is NOT a CHRISTIAN but uses soft gospel tunes and lyrics. It boils down to the heart and not the exterior adornments.
Sorry I meant to tag you in my message right above... :)
 
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James4redemption

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Yeah. A few videos on YouTube. Sounds like a reliable source of information.
You can YouTube all you want, but if you haven't spent time and experienced things yourself then you have no facts.
As a teen I went to many Christian shows and I saw all kinds of good things going on. People being saved. Worship. Fun. Fellowship. Planting seeds as a witness. Saw a band stand on stage in front of a full secular audience of 100s and declare Jesus as their savior then playing a passionate, powerful set, even through injury and lack of sleep. Watched a band play in a bar have an equipment malfunction that should've taken 5 minutes to fix, but somehow took longer and so the band spent over 20 minutes, to fill in the time, preaching to a bar about Christ.
But hey. You saw a few YouTube videos, likely made by people whose intentions are to paint the music in a bad light to begin with. Surely that's a valid measure of a 25 year history of music and the 1000s of people involved.
Cool those beans brother, that's why I specified I don't know where the line is drawn in relation to. I vaguely remember one testimony explained how some musicians just use it as a gig. They eventually fall out of worship and just show up for the paycheck and whatever else their motives are. And the testimonies I take a peek at cover a wide array of corruption in the Churches. None of which focus solely on music in the Church.
 
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skylove7

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Sigh...lol this topic
Forgive me....there have been many threads here on this subject.
I have posted in other forums. But honestly being a song writer...music lover it is a very heart felt topic for me.

I am not a hypocrit
I am honest never caring to be judged...for I live for Jesus and He loves me.

Im a fan of secular music and yes...some rock.
why?
Because many lyrics are very beautiful, inspirational,...as far as being evil...
I do not listen to lyrics that praise satan....
There are actually many secular or rock songs...that had awesome messages..that helped me through hard times.

I will not deny that!
Yet I will also defend what I love...and that is music.

God is in my heart and soul.
There is no band or song going to convince me to be evil...because I am not!

Gospel....I listen to as well. I write gospel songs and poetry all the time.

But you see at times in life. I may want to hear a love song about a man and woman....or other types of secular songs....

Do I think all rock is evil?
Its just a beat...c'mon...heavens no!

What can be evil...is the heart of a listener
And that is a choice...
one cannot blame music for
 

Blain

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I like rock I like some hip hop I love the old music by Michael Jackson and most music made in the 80's and such before music ruined itself by being mostly about women drugs alcohol and such, I love nickle back too but I mainly listen to Christian music of all kinds depending on what speaks to me at that time. Sometimes my soul craves a calm soothing and serene gospel music other times i crave a sort of hip hop Christian beat and song others I crave Christian rock to set my soul on fire.

the idea that rock is evil is no different that the old issue that guns kill, it's the user that makes the difference. I can put a gun on my table and tell it to kill but it just sits there until I pick it up and shoot someone in the same way rock and music in general can do nothing on it's own
 
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James4redemption

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I agree Sky..life in general I feel has the God-like influences spread throughout. Even in places you would least expect it. I mean there's music I listen to where the band has one song I can listen to, to even more that I just cant.
 
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Ugly

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Cool those beans brother, that's why I specified I don't know where the line is drawn in relation to. I vaguely remember one testimony explained how some musicians just use it as a gig. They eventually fall out of worship and just show up for the paycheck and whatever else their motives are. And the testimonies I take a peek at cover a wide array of corruption in the Churches. None of which focus solely on music in the Church.
Of course that happens outside of music too. In 'day to day' Christians. In conservative pastors. Many times people isolate stories that Do happen in music as proof that some music is bad, while ignoring the fact that the same sorts of things happen in all areas of the church. Even the most conservative sects. So is this really an evidence that it's the music? Or just a convenient way to put the focus where a person wants it, but only if they ignore everything else going on around them?
Yes, there are fakes and those misguided in the music sector of the church. But that doesn't discredit those who are genuine, or the entire sector. If we applied that mentality to the church as a whole then the church would have to completely cease to exist.
I actually read an article by a former band member of a popular Christian metal band. He had since joined a ministry aimed at helping Christian bands with food and other needs. But also with helping provide them with guidance, both as a band, and spiritually. He stated that many of the Christian bands start out as sincere, but being on the road they don't have access to a lot of spiritual support. And during the course of touring they hear a lot of arguments against their faith they are not equipped to handle and it causes them to wander or question spiritually. In reality Christian bands should be viewed as missionaries, not as evil. They go to the places most Christians won't and give a message to people that most Christians would just assume the people there deserve hell. As well as providing something for Christians who enjoy such things, but don't want to put themselves into secular music.
How many popular pastors have been proven false? Look how many pastors were busted as having memberships on Ashley Madison and gay dating sites. Yet no one declares that being a pastor is wrong.
Corruption in the church has gone on since the beginning. Cheats. Deceivers. To isolate one part of the church and call those kinds out as evidence that that part of the church is 100% wrong is pure hypocrisy to those that would say it.
Also, sorry if my previous post was a little harsh, i had just woken up and was still a bit grumpy. Not the best time for me to post on such things haha.
 
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James4redemption

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Ah it's okay, no need to apologize bro. But yeah I hear you. That's why I wasn't sure where the line is drawn in relation to what is good to what makes it not good regarding this topic. Especially since I don't even listen to the music all that much. Also should have specified that the testimonies I seek are ones that cover life in general. It's the few times that when the Church is actually being discussed in the testimony, this very topic about Christian Rock is brought up. Which isn't very often. And when it IS...it's Never to generalize the genre, at least that's not how I took it. I'm not going to go into the grim details of what these people are claiming they see take place in the Spirit at the very few discussed events, I was just saying sometimes it happens. These people giving these testimonies basically see how the Churches are attacked, how the Pastors become...again to keep this as clean as possible lol, they see how the Pastors become "infected" to lead their followers astray, how people in every day life are attacked. Basically they just testify to how the enemy works. But again, not to generalize the genre, but to just examine the fruit is all.
 

posthuman

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But again, not to generalize the genre, but to just examine the fruit is all.

one bad apple doesn't mean the whole orchard is corrupt :)
that kind of thinking -- then all Christians are not good because it's possible to find some heretics or charlatans.

the line isn't drawn in appearances; Jesus teaches us not to judge by them.
 

jb

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I think the best thing to do is to simply listen to whatever floats your boat and just chill out!

Yeah Baby...:cool:
 
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People have been saying that Rock 'n' Roll is the devil's music ever since it first hit the mainstream in the 50s with Elvis and his hip shaking, pelvic thrusting dance moves.

I listen to a lot of rock, metal and music of that sort, a lot of times I have been convicted to not listen to certain bands. I trust that the Holy Spirit knows what is edifying to me and what is detrimental.
Convicted by whom? What did you do? You don't listen to certain bands because you do not go out and buy their music or push play or whatever. If you go to somebody's house and they are listening to what you do not like, what do you do? Do you leave and say 'Oh I was convicted!'? :D
If convicted means convinced, which it does not, then you convinced yourself, you convicted your self. Is it a life sentence or a death sentence or just a slap on the wrist, 30 days in confinement? Darkness is created by God also. The person who saves you from a burning building might be the guy who listens to that kind of music, see?

 
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Ugly

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Convicted by whom? What did you do? You don't listen to certain bands because you do not go out and buy their music or push play or whatever. If you go to somebody's house and they are listening to what you do not like, what do you do? Do you leave and say 'Oh I was convicted!'? :D
If convicted means convinced, which it does not, then you convinced yourself, you convicted your self. Is it a life sentence or a death sentence or just a slap on the wrist, 30 days in confinement? Darkness is created by God also. The person who saves you from a burning building might be the guy who listens to that kind of music, see?

Pretty self righteous response. I got his point. No need to ignore the obvious to create an argument. Plenty of arguing in the BDF.
 
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Self righteous? I used to listen to Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Styx, Metallica, Bon Jovi, but now I am more interested in frequency tones. Tones that activate chakras and the khundalini. You know, stuff that Christ taught. You know, Christ was into meditation.
 

posthuman

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Self righteous? I used to listen to Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Styx, Metallica, Bon Jovi, but now I am more interested in frequency tones. Tones that activate chakras and the khundalini. You know, stuff that Christ taught. You know, Christ was into meditation.

i think that if you believe Christ taught you should activate chakras and kundalini, you've certainly got a reading comprehension problem and should ask someone to read through with you and explain the Bible to you.

& hearing that you used to listen to bon jovi, i'll certainly remember to pray for you ..

:eek:
 
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Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Any ideas?